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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery 3) If you believe a bunch of US citizens with firearms are any match for the US military, no logic will ever permeate your bizarre fantasy. For starters (let alone firepower and training), military brass is far smarter than to have a Rambo-esque shoot 'em up with a bunch of weekend cowboys. They'd take a far more strategic approach, and it would be largely over before people rang the bells and had a chance to start shooting. Come on. You aren't stupid. If you want to discuss this, let's have an honest, real discussion. As I stated, should the US government become such that the citizens will not stand for it, do you honestly think that government would have the backing of 100% of the US military? Second point, the Afghan rebels beat the Soviet Mechanized army to the point that after 10 years, the Soviets gave up on Afghanistan and got the hell out. While the US did supply shoulder launched anti aircraft missiles, and provide some training, the majority of the rebel forces were poorly armed, not trained and made it too costly for the Soviet military to stay in place. Third point, while armed citizens may not stand as a match against the US military, I have to point out that the US military is still stuck in the idea and philosophy of a symmetrical battle zone, i.e, the enemy has set lines etc, with the exceptions being the units created and trained in counter guerilla tactics. And the final point, which goes back to the 'do you honestly think that if the US citizens rebelled against an oppressive Federal government in force, the entire military would follow that government?" Thanks to President Bush sr, and the elected presidents that followed, many reserve and even national guard units have been equipped with equipment that is nearly equivalent to the regular forces. The last part of this point is extremely simple, since the court-martials of those involved in Mai Lai, during the Vietnam conflict, one of the primary focus with training is that personnel are trained that they are only required to follow legitimate legal orders of superior officers. At the point where those orders are to occupy US cities and towns with due to resistance to a tyrannical government, a good percentage would refuse such orders. So, while the armed civilians would not alone be enough to stand against the military, I do believe that enough of the military would balk at firing on American citizens and desert with their equipment to make a significant difference in the eventual outcome. sure but the damage a bunch of pissed of citizens could do to the infrastructure is mind boggling, in the trillions. while congress can call out the militia as well as the states, nowhere does it give the gubmint the authority to regulate the militia, if it did that would be a direct contradiction of terms since the gubmint has no authority to 'infringe in any way fashion or manner not only the peoples right to own but also the peoples right to 'BEAR' arms, and gubmint regulation would infrine on the peoples right to "BEAR", the same way well far worse than taxing infringes on 'arms' ownership
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