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RE: Where Have All the SJWs Gone? - 10/16/2017 5:53:29 PM   
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Trying to force a kiss on an adult woman is equally as bad molesting a defenseless 5 year old?

If they are of equal "badness" then trying to force a kiss on an adult woman deserves the death penalty or at least life imprisonment.

Do you really believe that?

Trying to kiss an adult women AGAINST her will is AS BAD as trying to kiss a 5 yr old AGAINST her will.

Trying to molest an adult woman AGAINST her will is AS BAD as trying to molest a 5 yr old against her will.

Death sentence is not a bad idea. That would seriously stop ALL men from inappropriately trying to touch a woman or child at all against her will.

They will naturally be extra careful and think twice or get consent before taking any action.

In my country, we cane and jail for such offenses. No death penalty yet.

It just feels like, you feel an entitlement to kiss any woman you like, like it's your right?



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RE: Where Have All the SJWs Gone? - 10/16/2017 6:01:35 PM   
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Have you even read some of the profiles here? This definition of consent may be just fine for you but what about some of the other people here? A person's kink can run to some pretty strange places, what if it is the woman that says rape me, not someone who says no but means yes but someone who says yes and seems to mean yes, who brings it up, keeps bringing it up and says she wants it, is she to be told no, go see a doctor for that?

Those are exactly the kind of women you should stay away from, you are asking for trouble if you bother hooking up with women like that who don't mean what they say. Why would you date such troubled women who can't be honest with you?

Look, I am into "rape play" too, BUT everything is WITH CONSENT pre-discussed. I do not tell a man, "I do not wish to be raped!" And then expect him to rape me! I tell him straight, "I WANT you to rape me! These are our parameters for the scene" I put it in writing! It's crystal clear.

If you find a woman that tells you, she does not WANT to be rape, but that just means she WANTS to be rape. You better stay away from her.

On top of that, IF you guys don't pre-negotiate safe words, so that a different word like "Red" can replace the word "No", You should stay away from her!

And in that situation, IF you still want to engage with her, you should simply tell her, "I want to establish a safe word for you. Anytime you genuinely don't want things to go further anymore, just say "Red". If you say No, I won't stop. But if you say "Red", I will stop. So do we have an agreement?"

It's still establishing consent. And best to be through text messages and in writing that you get her consent.

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Here's a little story for you, you went on a date, dinner and a movie, during the movie she kisses you, no consent, just takes you by surprise, she should have asked for consent but you like her so you let it slide.

I 100% agree she should have ask your consent. Men can be molested and sexually assaulted too ya know.


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You take her to her apartment and once again as you are shuffling your feet trying to say see you later, she just grabs your head and gives you a kiss, then she takes you by the hand and pulls you inside, "for a cup of coffee". Actual coffee and while you’re sipping she continues to be “friendly” and when the coffee is done and you’re talking going home, she jumps you and begins to fulfill all your simple fantasies. Next morning you wake up in her bed and she’s going to work and showing you out the door. My question to you was this consensual sex? Should the woman be thrown in jail because she didn’t ask for consent? Perhaps the man should be thrown in jail because, well, he’s a man and should have know better.

Is this a woman bigger and stronger than you that used forced to dragyou against your will to her bedroom and raped you?

IF she did that to you, SHE should go to jail!

If she is simply doing what you want her to do, because it's your fantasy, then she shouldn't go to jail.

It would be her risk to take to interprete you correctly. And personally if I were her, I would ask for consent.


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RE: Where Have All the SJWs Gone? - 10/17/2017 3:28:46 AM   
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Honestly, get a life. You are exactly the kind of people I find so amusing. You are on a site that is more or less advocating all sort of, shall we say, unnormal behavior and Weinstein force kissing women sets you to ranting. You need to get a grip.



You really don't get it do you? Or, perhaps more accurately, you really don't want to get it do you?

It has been repeatedly pointed out to you by me and others that this is not about some well meaning nice guy "forcing a kiss" on some gold digging hussy.

The allegations against Weinstein include rape and other serious sexual assaults, allegations made by over 20 women living in different places, different continents even over a period exceeding two decades. It is striking that despite many of the victims not knowing each other, despite the time, location and other differences in the circumstances, the MO in the allegations are more or less the same. Critically, in each and every case, the predator pressured the women into a situation they never consented to.

There is a world of difference between "forcing a kiss" and the allegations against Weinstein, a world of difference that you are refusing to acknowledge, a world of difference that you are glossing over with no apparent motivation other than a desire to invent some mitigating excuse for the predator.

You are gratuitously slandering these women as gold diggers out for "!5 mins of fame and fortune". There is absolutely no evidence in the public arena that supports your malice. In glaring contrast to the lengths you go to to try to put a positive gloss on the predator's behaviour, you fail utterly to show any compassion for the predator's victims preferring to viciously denigrate them. Their only apparent crime is that they reported rapes sexual assaults and other crimes committed by a serial predator who cynically and ruthlessly abused them.

If you find it "amusing" that some of us fail to find the humour in this situation, then you are one big seriously fucked up moral vacuum. You make Neanderthals seem progressive. Thanks be that you and your type are dying off. It can't happen quick enough.

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RE: Where Have All the SJWs Gone? - 10/17/2017 3:42:12 AM   
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it'd make for an interesting social science experiment. imagine the two conditions:

(youd have to have a consent question otherwise itd never get through a review board)

1. pretty girl walks up to random guys on the street and asks "can I kiss you?"

2. handsome fellow walks up to random girls on the street and asks "can I kiss you?"

am pretty sure a statistically significant difference would show up in favor of "yes" for condition #1 and that the qualitative description afterwards would be far more colorful for condition #2.

How about a third and fourth condition where the original questioners just go for the kiss.


id love that yes, but that was my point about the institutional review board. I cant imagine getting permission.

although there is the possibility of doing the research outside of a university setting.

I can see that generating some quick calls to the police.

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RE: Where Have All the SJWs Gone? - 10/17/2017 3:45:25 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Greta75
Trying to kiss an adult women AGAINST her will is AS BAD as trying to kiss a 5 yr old AGAINST her will.

Trying to molest an adult woman AGAINST her will is AS BAD as trying to molest a 5 yr old against her will.


greta I suspect most people here in the states would disagree with you vehemently on that equivalence. the main difference being the ability of the victim in each case to understand whats going on, to defend herself and the difference between them in terms of power, trust and authority.

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RE: Where Have All the SJWs Gone? - 10/17/2017 5:41:59 AM   
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"Appalling: NRA Spokeswoman's Family Forced to Abandon Home Due to Violent Threats From Leftists"

(because the left is soooo about peace you know)

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Galvanized by the uglier-by-the-minute Harvey Weinstein scandal, women across social media are sharing their personal stories about sexual harassment and assault, using the "#MeToo" hashtag. Among those speaking out is National Rifle Association spokeswoman and prominent conservative personality Dana Loesch -- who, for full disclosure, is also a friend of mine. She revealed to the world on Sunday that she and her family are abandoning their home under serious duress, stemming from a whirlwind of violent threats from anti-gun leftists, a number of which have been explicitly sexual in nature. No matter where one stands on the NRA agenda (I'm generally supportive, but sometimes take issue with the tone of their messaging and some of their decisions), this is utterly revolting and wrong:


#MeToo.
Spent my weekend preparing to move due to repeated threats from gun control advocates. 1 pic.twitter.com/cQoZzOYXPt
— Dana Loesch (@DLoesch) October 16, 2017

3 Another guy created a string of social media accounts, posted photos of my house, threatened to rape me to death. #MeToo
— Dana Loesch (@DLoesch) October 16, 2017

5 I’m grateful that my kids’ school worked with law enforcement and private security to ensure campus safety, and work with me. #MeToo
— Dana Loesch (@DLoesch) October 16, 2017

She went on to add that there are more specific details of her ordeal that she can't discuss, stating that she and other outspoken female supporters of the Second Amendment "are sexually threatened regularly." (Incidentally, can anyone conceive of a less effective way to convince a woman that she's wrong about staunchly defending her gun rights than by threatening to rape her, or to harm her children?) Loesch proceeded to blast the double standard under which so-called 'feminists' turn a blind eye to flagrant, or even violent, sexism against conservative women: "Feminism should’ve defended women, regardless of party. Let ideas battle it out in the public sphere, but everyone speaks," she concluded. In response to her powerful tweetstorm, Loesch received a public message of support from a somewhat unlikely source:


Dana - this is all awful & unacceptable. Those of us who disagree with you the strongest have a particular responsible to strongly condemn. https://t.co/jJXk9VB54p
— Chelsea Clinton (@ChelseaClinton) October 16, 2017

Good for her. Loesch replied with an appreciative tweet, although many of the responses to Clinton's tweet baselessly accuse Loesch of lying. (This is something that another female conservative friend of mine can relate to. Whenever Mary Katharine Ham discusses her family's Obamacare nightmare in public -- and particularly on CNN -- liberals troll her social media feeds, insisting that she's inventing the story in order to score political points)...


from the same article but switching gears:

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Can Ms. Clinton explain why her family's foundation is refusing to return $250,000 in donations from America's most infamous serial predator?

The Clinton Foundation will not return or re-donate any of the $250,000 it received from disgraced film producer and Democratic donor Harvey Weinstein, saying the funds have been spent already. Democratic Party organizations have similarly been under pressure to return or donate money they received from Weinstein over the years. Some have donated the funds to organizations that work to combat sexual violence agains women, for example, but some have donated the money to Democratic Party-aligned groups. Weinstein gave over $35,000 to Clinton's 2016 presidential campaign, and leading up to 2014, gave between $100,000 to $250,000 to the Clinton Foundation. The Clinton Foundation has also been pressured to rid itself of Weinstein's money, but they have said that the money was already spent on projects, the Daily Mail reports.

She...does not seem eager to answer questions about this decision. On the heels of Chelsea's mother expressing horror over voters electing "a sexual assaulter" as president (see: the Access Hollywood tape and numerous accusers), I'll leave you with aggressively-liberal comedian Michael Ian Black's commentary on another living president:

Have to say, Harvey’s tactics (hotel, exposure, etc.) sound a lot like what Paula Jones claimed about Bill Clinton.
— Michael Ian Black (@michaelianblack) October 15, 2017

I don’t think Dems have ever come to terms with allegations against Bill. A lot of uncomfortable hair twirling and floor gazing.
— Michael Ian Black (@michaelianblack) October 15, 2017

By the way, do we have any confirmation that Hillary Clinton's promised charitable donation of her Weinstein money won't go to her own foundation? That's been the Clintons' self-dealing M.O. for years


https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2017/10/16/disgusting-nra-spokeswomans-family-forced-to-move-due-to-vile-leftist-threats-n2395748

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RE: Where Have All the SJWs Gone? - 10/17/2017 7:20:21 AM   
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Do Republicans return NRA donations after every mass shooting?

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RE: Where Have All the SJWs Gone? - 10/17/2017 7:31:02 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Greta75
Trying to kiss an adult women AGAINST her will is AS BAD as trying to kiss a 5 yr old AGAINST her will.

Trying to molest an adult woman AGAINST her will is AS BAD as trying to molest a 5 yr old against her will.


greta I suspect most people here in the states would disagree with you vehemently on that equivalence. the main difference being the ability of the victim in each case to understand whats going on, to defend herself and the difference between them in terms of power, trust and authority.


A child cannot consent. By law
Adults can.
But it doesnt mean they will not be ignored. Or blamed.


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RE: Where Have All the SJWs Gone? - 10/17/2017 7:40:37 AM   
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Do Republicans return NRA donations after every mass shooting?


Why would they? The NRA is a civil rights organization that also teaches gun safety.

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RE: Where Have All the SJWs Gone? - 10/17/2017 7:43:09 AM   
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Children are also much less likely to be able to defend themselves, which is why there are much harsher penalties in place for their abusers.

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RE: Where Have All the SJWs Gone? - 10/17/2017 7:45:27 AM   
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Do Republicans return NRA donations after every mass shooting?


Why would they? The NRA is a civil rights organization that also teaches gun safety.


Then it seems hypocritical to call Hillary out for donations she received, and almost certainly has spent by now.

Hillary & Dems probably won't take more money from Weinstein. Republicans will still be taking money from the NRA.

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RE: Where Have All the SJWs Gone? - 10/17/2017 7:48:12 AM   
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ORIGINAL: JVoV

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Do Republicans return NRA donations after every mass shooting?


Why would they? The NRA is a civil rights organization that also teaches gun safety.


Then it seems hypocritical to call Hillary out for donations she received, and almost certainly has spent by now.

Hillary & Dems probably won't take more money from Weinstein. Republicans will still be taking money from the NRA.


Leftists love love love their sexual predators, I suppose

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RE: Where Have All the SJWs Gone? - 10/17/2017 8:03:28 AM   
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Denny Haster. Josh Duggar. Herman Cain. Clarence Thomas.

Yup. Cuz Republicans are all about family values.

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RE: Where Have All the SJWs Gone? - 10/17/2017 8:09:34 AM   
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Denny Haster. Josh Duggar. Herman Cain. Clarence Thomas.

Yup. Cuz Republicans are all about family values.


Some of the accusations are questionable, leftists smearing blacks with their racist stereotypes

A page from the Democrat playbook from when Democrats started and ran the KKK

And no "sexual predator" has continued to receive conservative support after verifiable reports (like Bubba Clinton etc has)

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RE: Where Have All the SJWs Gone? - 10/17/2017 8:14:23 AM   
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http://www.constantinereport.com/a-very-long-list-of-republican-sex-offenders/

Id really rather discuss the fact that they are all, on both sides guilty of it.

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RE: Where Have All the SJWs Gone? - 10/17/2017 8:16:54 AM   
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Right. So no Republicans begged Hastert's judge for leniency.

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RE: Where Have All the SJWs Gone? - 10/17/2017 8:23:58 AM   
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Once again, it's not my "job" to pass judgement on Weinstein.

In fact my entrance into this discussion didn't really have much to do with Weinstein, I merely mentioned that I thought it was somewhat humorous that a "kink" forum, that seems to be dedicated to the advancement of human foibles, was so ready to turn on Weinstein like a pack of ravenous wolves and I seem to have stirred up a hornet's nest.

Frankly, if twenty people that I've played with casually showed up on this forum, from different parts of the country, that I had encountered in the last ten years, all making statements that I had violated their consent, and had enough similar details (i.e., what I was wearing, our location, etc) to prove that what they were saying was true, I'd absolutely expect the kink community to want to hang me by my toenails.

If twenty people that I had propositioned for play had told me no, and I forced them to play anyway, I'd expect my butt to be nailed to the wall for that, too.

If it were my habit to approach people to play, and was being told no, and I kept after them, trying to coerce them to change that no into a yes, or had the attitude that no just meant I should 'try harder,' or my approach was to wear them down until I got a reluctant yes, I'd expect people to tell me that I was screwed up and wasn't welcome in that kink club anymore.

There isn't a major kink club in this country that doesn't have a 'banned list' for people pulling those exact (and other) kind of stunts. So, before we try the 'oh, it's kinky people, so these kinds of things are ok,' a person might want to research that kind of thing.



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RE: Where Have All the SJWs Gone? - 10/17/2017 8:37:53 AM   
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http://www.constantinereport.com/a-very-long-list-of-republican-sex-offenders/

Id really rather discuss the fact that they are all, on both sides guilty of it.


I just want to see less horrors like this happen:
Fla. School District Appeared to Blame Third-Graders for Their Own Molestation by a Teacher
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“The Plaintiffs were old enough to appreciate the consequences of their own actions and to be held accountable for them,” the school district wrote in one answer in 2010.

“Through their actions and/or omissions, plaintiffs conducted themselves in a careless and negligent manner,” the filing continued, “and such negligence was a contributing and/or sole proximate cause of their injuries and damages.”

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RE: Where Have All the SJWs Gone? - 10/17/2017 8:41:24 AM   
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blame the victim....always an easy out.

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RE: Where Have All the SJWs Gone? - 10/17/2017 9:13:13 AM   
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Do Republicans return NRA donations after every mass shooting?


Why would they? The NRA is a civil rights organization that also teaches gun safety.


Then it seems hypocritical to call Hillary out for donations she received, and almost certainly has spent by now.

Hillary & Dems probably won't take more money from Weinstein. Republicans will still be taking money from the NRA.

Except that It was Democrats that began returning Weinstein donations to show their purity and Clinton that refused. No republicans believe that NRA donations are less pure or connected to sick people killing people. That's a judgement Democrats are making. For democrats to project their angst onto the NRA isn't equatable. Nobody on the right is saying the Clinton's have to atone for Weinstein, we're just laughing at the Clinton's being caught in their own trap and showing, once again, that their real God/purpose is making themselves powerful and rich.

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