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heavyblinker -> Drug industry and congress worked against DEA, fuelling opioid crisis (10/16/2017 8:14:21 PM)

http://www.businessinsider.com/60-minutes-drug-industry-worked-against-dea-fight-opioid-epidemic-investigation-2017-10

quote:

The Ensuring Patient Access and Effective Drug Enforcement Act was passed in 2016 to improve enforcement around prescription drug abuse and diversion. In actuality, the law raised the standard that the DEA needed to prove in order to crack down on a drug company's pain pill distribution, making it more difficult for them to enforce fines against the companies.
The chief architect of the law, the investigation found,  was Rep. Tom Marino of Pennsylvania, a Republican whom Trump nominated to lead the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy, a position commonly referred to as the nation's "drug czar."
Marino introduced the bill in 2014, after which it went through years of back and forth, delays, and opposition from the DEA. A version of the bill became law in 2016. By that point, neither the DEA nor the Justice Department objected to the bill, though the DEA had fought against it for years. 
 
The Post called it "the crowning achievement of a multifaceted campaign by the drug industry to weaken aggressive DEA enforcement efforts against drug distribution companies that were supplying corrupt doctors and pharmacists who peddled narcotics to the black market." 
Lobbying groups, including the groups representing drugmakers, retail pharmacies, and drug distributors, spent more than $106 million in support of the bill, the Post found.


Vive capitalisme!

Also continuing Trump's brilliant strategy to make sure the entire government is run by people who are determined to work against the interests that they are supposed to be serving.




Danemora -> RE: Drug industry and congress worked against DEA, fuelling opioid crisis (10/16/2017 8:22:11 PM)

~FRing it~

Lunatics running the asylum?
Foxes running the henhouses?
My belief is that ours is a Government by, of, and for rich cronies because it sure as shit isnt one for regular Americans




MercTech -> RE: Drug industry and congress worked against DEA, fuelling opioid crisis (10/16/2017 8:36:22 PM)

The 2016 legislation was bit of bureaucratic vomit that made it extremely hard for those in chronic pain such as those with arthritis to get the medication they need to remain functional and contributing to society. At the same time; it created an even bigger market for illicit opioids.

Opioids are easy. With marijuana being legalized; the secret grow houses are shifting to poppies. So a flood of cheap opioids.

Manic increases of controls on prescription medications are NOT needed and it is about time to back off on silly controls that provide no benefit. But, that is easy low hanging fruit to make problems for the law abiding. That way you can claim you are doing something instead of ignoring the unlawful opioid market.





tweakabelle -> RE: Drug industry and congress worked against DEA, fuelling opioid crisis (10/17/2017 4:17:56 AM)

FR
Sorry if this is a slight derail but ...

According to media reports we receive here, the opioid problem is currently the US's single biggest drug problem with dozens dying daily from overdoses of prescription drugs. The crisis is said to be most acute in places like PA and West Virginia, where communities that have relied for decades on coal and steel are devastated by the severe downturns in those industries.

This should cause those who believe that drug taking is a personal moral failure to think again. In this instance, the link between economic devastation, failed and failing communities and drug consumption/addiction/-related deaths couldn't be clearer.




BoscoX -> RE: Drug industry and congress worked against DEA, fuelling opioid crisis (10/17/2017 8:32:05 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

http://www.businessinsider.com/60-minutes-drug-industry-worked-against-dea-fight-opioid-epidemic-investigation-2017-10

quote:

The Ensuring Patient Access and Effective Drug Enforcement Act was passed in 2016 to improve enforcement around prescription drug abuse and diversion. In actuality, the law raised the standard that the DEA needed to prove in order to crack down on a drug company's pain pill distribution, making it more difficult for them to enforce fines against the companies.
The chief architect of the law, the investigation found,  was Rep. Tom Marino of Pennsylvania, a Republican whom Trump nominated to lead the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy, a position commonly referred to as the nation's "drug czar."
Marino introduced the bill in 2014, after which it went through years of back and forth, delays, and opposition from the DEA. A version of the bill became law in 2016. By that point, neither the DEA nor the Justice Department objected to the bill, though the DEA had fought against it for years. 
 
The Post called it "the crowning achievement of a multifaceted campaign by the drug industry to weaken aggressive DEA enforcement efforts against drug distribution companies that were supplying corrupt doctors and pharmacists who peddled narcotics to the black market." 
Lobbying groups, including the groups representing drugmakers, retail pharmacies, and drug distributors, spent more than $106 million in support of the bill, the Post found.


Vive capitalisme!

Also continuing Trump's brilliant strategy to make sure the entire government is run by people who are determined to work against the interests that they are supposed to be serving.


2016 - who was president then

Oh THATS RIGHT, Obama signed that

(Doesn't matter, the howlers have to blame Trump) (and capitalism)

A large part of the problem is also the Democrat's no-border policy, that the president is currently working on. Mexican drug lords are bringing in all of the heroin and other drugs (prescription drugs included) that they please.

Do the howlers care about that, or are they just howling hysterical nonsense in hope that something will stick against the current president







BoscoX -> RE: Drug industry and congress worked against DEA, fuelling opioid crisis (10/17/2017 8:34:50 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

FR
Sorry if this is a slight derail but ...

According to media reports we receive here, the opioid problem is currently the US's single biggest drug problem with dozens dying daily from overdoses of prescription drugs. The crisis is said to be most acute in places like PA and West Virginia, where communities that have relied for decades on coal and steel are devastated by the severe downturns in those industries.

This should cause those who believe that drug taking is a personal moral failure to think again. In this instance, the link between economic devastation, failed and failing communities and drug consumption/addiction/-related deaths couldn't be clearer.


Actually, a real problem is too much safety net enabling drug addicts to use without the associated severe consequences that would normally force them to seek help





Lucylastic -> RE: Drug industry and congress worked against DEA, fuelling opioid crisis (10/17/2017 8:46:17 AM)

poor ol marino wont get his dream post as drug Czar..seems his little scandal was enough to get the ooze to change his mind.
.




heavyblinker -> RE: Drug industry and congress worked against DEA, fuelling opioid crisis (10/17/2017 8:55:38 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX

quote:

ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

http://www.businessinsider.com/60-minutes-drug-industry-worked-against-dea-fight-opioid-epidemic-investigation-2017-10

quote:

The Ensuring Patient Access and Effective Drug Enforcement Act was passed in 2016 to improve enforcement around prescription drug abuse and diversion. In actuality, the law raised the standard that the DEA needed to prove in order to crack down on a drug company's pain pill distribution, making it more difficult for them to enforce fines against the companies.
The chief architect of the law, the investigation found,  was Rep. Tom Marino of Pennsylvania, a Republican whom Trump nominated to lead the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy, a position commonly referred to as the nation's "drug czar."
Marino introduced the bill in 2014, after which it went through years of back and forth, delays, and opposition from the DEA. A version of the bill became law in 2016. By that point, neither the DEA nor the Justice Department objected to the bill, though the DEA had fought against it for years. 
 
The Post called it "the crowning achievement of a multifaceted campaign by the drug industry to weaken aggressive DEA enforcement efforts against drug distribution companies that were supplying corrupt doctors and pharmacists who peddled narcotics to the black market." 
Lobbying groups, including the groups representing drugmakers, retail pharmacies, and drug distributors, spent more than $106 million in support of the bill, the Post found.


Vive capitalisme!

Also continuing Trump's brilliant strategy to make sure the entire government is run by people who are determined to work against the interests that they are supposed to be serving.


2016 - who was president then

Oh THATS RIGHT, Obama signed that

(Doesn't matter, the howlers have to blame Trump) (and capitalism)

A large part of the problem is also the Democrat's no-border policy, that the president is currently working on. Mexican drug lords are bringing in all of the heroin and other drugs (prescription drugs included) that they please.

Do the howlers care about that, or are they just howling hysterical nonsense in hope that something will stick against the current president


WHERE DID I SAY ANYTHING ABOUT TRUMP SIGNING THE LAW??
I said he was making the bill's architect into the Drug Czar.

Ignorant fucking troll.




ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Drug industry and congress worked against DEA, fuelling opioid crisis (10/17/2017 8:59:06 AM)

What opioid crisis? The fake one being created by the government and media?




MercTech -> RE: Drug industry and congress worked against DEA, fuelling opioid crisis (10/20/2017 5:59:50 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

What opioid crisis? The fake one being created by the government and media?


The best I can tell from a bit of online digging is that the rate of overdose on opioids has gone up since it became easier to synthesize fentanyl instead of smuggling in heroin.

Add in a bit of statistically unsubstantiated FUD that prescribing opioids for chronic pain is directly linked to addiction and you have a readily manufactured "epidemic" to use for scare headlines. The deaths due to opioid overdose track right along with the appearance of fentanyl into the market.

Fentanyl is about 50 times more powerful in a milliliter to milliliter comparison making improper dosage for oral or injectable versions horridly easy. The prescription versions of Fentanyl are most commonly patch (the pain patch works well for rheumatoid arthritis) and sub lingual (you spray under the tongue and it absorbs - I wonder if they have it with a breath freshener mix?). The injectable version is predominantly used in a very dilute solution for IV anesthetic.

Have a solid undergraduate level organic chemistry skill? Have some spare change to order a copy of a scientific paper? Home fentanyl production may be an up and coming work from home business. And if you get the dosage off; you aren't likely to get customers able to come back and complain.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/232768049_A_Convenient_One-Pot_Synthesis_of_Fentanyl

Making the draconian controls on opiates more stringent when the problem is illicit labs rather than diversion of legal supplies is silly if not outright insane waste of time, manpower, and public funds. It would be like the banning of amphetamine based prescriptions for weight loss got rid of all the illicit meth labs, right?




DesideriScuri -> RE: Drug industry and congress worked against DEA, fuelling opioid crisis (10/21/2017 9:05:07 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MercTech
quote:

ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick
What opioid crisis? The fake one being created by the government and media?

The best I can tell from a bit of online digging is that the rate of overdose on opioids has gone up since it became easier to synthesize fentanyl instead of smuggling in heroin.
Add in a bit of statistically unsubstantiated FUD that prescribing opioids for chronic pain is directly linked to addiction and you have a readily manufactured "epidemic" to use for scare headlines. The deaths due to opioid overdose track right along with the appearance of fentanyl into the market.
Fentanyl is about 50 times more powerful in a milliliter to milliliter comparison making improper dosage for oral or injectable versions horridly easy. The prescription versions of Fentanyl are most commonly patch (the pain patch works well for rheumatoid arthritis) and sub lingual (you spray under the tongue and it absorbs - I wonder if they have it with a breath freshener mix?). The injectable version is predominantly used in a very dilute solution for IV anesthetic.
Have a solid undergraduate level organic chemistry skill? Have some spare change to order a copy of a scientific paper? Home fentanyl production may be an up and coming work from home business. And if you get the dosage off; you aren't likely to get customers able to come back and complain.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/232768049_A_Convenient_One-Pot_Synthesis_of_Fentanyl
Making the draconian controls on opiates more stringent when the problem is illicit labs rather than diversion of legal supplies is silly if not outright insane waste of time, manpower, and public funds. It would be like the banning of amphetamine based prescriptions for weight loss got rid of all the illicit meth labs, right?


http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/16/health/police-fentanyl-overdose-trnd/index.html
    quote:

    After arresting the two men, East Liverpool Police Officer Chris Green was winding down his shift in the police station's break room when one of his colleagues pointed out he had something on his uniform. Green wiped the white powder off with his bare hands.
    Within minutes, he wasn't feeling well.
    "I started talking weird. I slowly felt my body shutting down. I could hear them talking, but I couldn't respond. I was in total shock," Green told the Morning Journal of Lisbon, Ohio.
    Green, who had worn gloves while searching the suspects' car, collapsed on the floor. Police believe he was experiencing an overdose.


Dosed him with Narcan and got him to the hospital. He made it, but fuck that's some scary shit right there.




BoscoX -> RE: Drug industry and congress worked against DEA, fuelling opioid crisis (10/21/2017 9:15:27 AM)


Close the border.

Mexican Drug Cartels Ramping Up Production Of Deadly Drug

Fentanyl, the extremely potent opioid that Prince overdosed on, has now become a linchpin of drug cartels across Mexico due to its extreme profitability, The New York Times reports.

The United States has an insatiable demand for opioids in the 21st century, including heroin, oxycontin and other prescription drugs, with unintentional overdose deaths quadrupling since 1999.

“However, what makes fentanyl more dangerous than typical opioids is its potency. It is 50 times more potent than heroin and 100 more than morphine and is highly addictive. It is not like any other drug — it crosses the blood-brain barrier more quickly and has a very rapid onset of action, making it more prone to habit forming and more prone to abuse than other prescription opioids,” said Dr. Caleb Alexander, co-director of the Johns Hopkins Center for Drug Safety and Effectiveness.

Originally created as a painkiller for cancer patients, the drug is now being manufactured in a synthetic form, instead of a purer pharmaceutical form, in Mexican drug labs...

MORE




heavyblinker -> RE: Drug industry and congress worked against DEA, fuelling opioid crisis (10/21/2017 9:26:17 AM)

Oh I guess all of these other drug stories mean that the pharmaceutical industry is totally innocent here.
Logic strikes again!




BoscoX -> RE: Drug industry and congress worked against DEA, fuelling opioid crisis (10/21/2017 9:51:19 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

Oh I guess all of these other drug stories mean that the pharmaceutical industry is totally innocent here.
Logic strikes again!


That debate strategy is called a straw man fallacy

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The very best leftists can do, in any give debate (for the most part)




heavyblinker -> RE: Drug industry and congress worked against DEA, fuelling opioid crisis (10/21/2017 10:01:11 AM)

Oh right, because you weren't actually making a point about the article in the OP, you were just looking to rant about the Mexican menace for no reason.
The worst part is that you probably think you were saying something brilliant.




WhoreMods -> RE: Drug industry and congress worked against DEA, fuelling opioid crisis (10/22/2017 6:10:16 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX


quote:

ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

Oh I guess all of these other drug stories mean that the pharmaceutical industry is totally innocent here.
Logic strikes again!


That debate strategy is called a straw man fallacy

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The very best leftists can do, in any give debate (for the most part)

Coming from you?
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CarltheDom -> RE: Drug industry and congress worked against DEA, fuelling opioid crisis (10/22/2017 7:11:53 AM)

Seriously? This is news? Has there been any time since WWI when Congress and the drug industry haven't been in collusion?




masterfulmar -> RE: Drug industry and congress worked against DEA, fuelling opioid crisis (10/22/2017 1:31:40 PM)

Oddly he has not signed an executive order to reverse that one? Perhaps that will be another bit of successful legislation that will garner rapturous senate approval?

50 000 - 100 000 die per year as a result of opoids, triffids, and arachnids that crawl forth from the lavy pan of doom and bite ballsacks with fangs.





Hardwild -> RE: Drug industry and congress worked against DEA, fuelling opioid crisis (10/23/2017 3:43:10 PM)

poverty., They should be ended.




ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Drug industry and congress worked against DEA, fuelling opioid crisis (10/23/2017 7:11:36 PM)

Yeah, but still not a crisis. More people get killed by booze and guns, and yet that is not a crisis. This whole opioid thing is bullshit meant to distract people




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