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RE: ‘Disrespectful lie’: Anger grows over Trump’s... - 10/17/2017 7:27:05 PM   
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Oh, imagine those calls from Trump.

"Hi, yeah. Sorry to say, your loser kid totally screwed up a hugely important operation and got himself, along with other soldiers killed."


What if that was the truth?



Yeah, cuz Trump is all about the truth. And respect for our military.

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RE: ‘Disrespectful lie’: Anger grows over Trump’s... - 10/17/2017 7:43:39 PM   
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you watch his eyes.... its so telling.



Tells us far more about you

"Mind-reading" howlers typify the insane left

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RE: ‘Disrespectful lie’: Anger grows over Trump’s... - 10/17/2017 7:46:38 PM   
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And an amazing ability to impart compassion.
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for example
Kelly tried to keep his son’s death out of politics. Trump had other ideas.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/kelly-tried-to-keep-his-sons-death-out-of-politics-trump-had-other-ideas/2017/10/17/4b173890-b35b-11e7-a908-a3470754bbb9_story.html

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RE: ‘Disrespectful lie’: Anger grows over Trump’s... - 10/17/2017 7:46:45 PM   
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Too early for a thread, maybe. But what is this about green card holders being banned from the Army?

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RE: ‘Disrespectful lie’: Anger grows over Trump’s... - 10/17/2017 7:48:02 PM   
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And an amazing ability to impart compassion.
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for example
Kelly tried to keep his son’s death out of politics. Trump had other ideas.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/kelly-tried-to-keep-his-sons-death-out-of-politics-trump-had-other-ideas/2017/10/17/4b173890-b35b-11e7-a908-a3470754bbb9_story.html


Kelly's son was married, so the wife would have been next of kin, and the one Obama would have called.

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RE: ‘Disrespectful lie’: Anger grows over Trump’s... - 10/17/2017 7:51:13 PM   
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And an amazing ability to impart compassion.
Snort


for example
Kelly tried to keep his son’s death out of politics. Trump had other ideas.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/kelly-tried-to-keep-his-sons-death-out-of-politics-trump-had-other-ideas/2017/10/17/4b173890-b35b-11e7-a908-a3470754bbb9_story.html


Shocking that all of your cut-and-paste propaganda is from the Amazon Post again today. From your billionaire handler who has been out for the president forever

Really surprising



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RE: ‘Disrespectful lie’: Anger grows over Trump’s... - 10/17/2017 7:54:58 PM   
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https://www.defense.gov/News/Article/Article/1342430/dod-announces-policies-affecting-foreign-nationals-entering-military/

WASHINGTON, Oct. 13, 2017 — The Defense Department is releasing two policies that will affect foreign nationals entering the military or who are already in the military, Stephanie Miller, DoD's director of accessions, said today.

The changes will affect personnel accessed under the MAVNI Pilot Program -- the acronym stands for Military Accessions Vital to National Interest -- and Lawful Permanent Residents (also known as green card holders). A green card is a permanent residency document for the United States.

The changes recognize that "while the department recognizes the value of expedited U.S. citizenship achieved through military service, it is in the national interest to ensure all current and prospective service members complete security and suitability screening prior to naturalization," Miller said.

One policy change is to the initial security and suitability screening for green card holders. "Effective immediately, all green card holders must complete a background investigation and receive a favorable military security suitability determination prior to entering any component of the armed forces," Miller said in an interview.

Previously, green card holders could ship to basic military training as long as background investigations were initiated. Green card holders go through the same check as American citizens.

The change will mean that green card holders entering the military may be in the delayed entry or training program longer than in the past, due to a backlog for security clearances at the Office of Personnel Management.

The clearance procedure could take up to a year.

Qualifying Service Standard, Aligning Requirement for Citizens, Noncitizens

The second change affects those in the MAVNI program and green card holders. "The department is establishing a qualifying service standard for the purposes of rendering honorable service determination for foreign nationals who pursue expedited U.S. citizenship on the basis of their military service," Miller said.

Service members receive a characterization of service after serving 180 days. "In order for foreign nationals to achieve expedited citizenship on the basis of their military service, they must receive an honorable service recommendation," Miller said. Previously, the practice of the department had been to grant that determination after "as little a few days in boot camp," she added. The new policy aligns the requirement of honorable service with that for U.S. citizens.

Under the new policy, foreign nationals must complete security screening, basic military training and serve to 180 days for a characterization of service determination.

Those in the reserve components must complete security screening, basic military training and have one satisfactory federal year of service. "For example, the individual drilled successfully, he achieved all of his points, he did his two weeks of annual training and as a result, achieved one good federal year," Miller explained. "At that time, the department would render that person's service as honorable, and then the department would sign the form that he would include in the naturalization packet for U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services."

The department is changing these policies because some individuals received citizenship before background investigations were completed, Miller said. "It is in the national interest to complete the security investigation before we grant someone honorable service, particularly in the case where that characterization is considered in an application for citizenship" she added.

This affects some personnel in the service now who received certification before their security screenings were completed. The department is recalling those certifications, and will recertify once the investigations are successfully completed, Miller said.

(EDITOR'S NOTE: This story was updated Oct. 17, 2017)



Its not on many news channels Mic.com seems to be the major one, a few military sites, but from the horses mouth is I feel the best:)

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RE: ‘Disrespectful lie’: Anger grows over Trump’s... - 10/17/2017 8:06:22 PM   
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And an amazing ability to impart compassion.
Snort


for example
Kelly tried to keep his son’s death out of politics. Trump had other ideas.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/kelly-tried-to-keep-his-sons-death-out-of-politics-trump-had-other-ideas/2017/10/17/4b173890-b35b-11e7-a908-a3470754bbb9_story.html


Shocking that all of your cut-and-paste propaganda is from the Amazon Post again today. From your billionaire handler who has been out for the president forever

Really surprising



typical response....nothing to do with the topic.
now.....
Are you a patriot, who supports the troops?
If so why are you deflecting???



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RE: ‘Disrespectful lie’: Anger grows over Trump’s... - 10/17/2017 8:07:49 PM   
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you watch his eyes.... its so telling.



Tells us far more about you

"Mind-reading" howlers typify the insane left


nothing to do with the topic again, why cant you respond to the topic???

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RE: ‘Disrespectful lie’: Anger grows over Trump’s... - 10/17/2017 8:12:10 PM   
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https://www.local10.com/news/politics/trump-speaks-to-widow-of-sgt-la-david-johnson

Trump to widow of Sgt. La David Johnson: 'He knew what he signed up for'
Trump faces controversy after U.S. Army deaths in Africa

MIAMI-DADE, Fla. - U.S. President Donald Trump told U.S. Army Sgt. La David Johnson's widow Tuesday that "he knew what he signed up for ...but when it happens it hurts anyway," when he died serving in northwestern Africa, according to Rep. Frederica Wilson, D-Miami Gardens.

"Yes, he said it," Wilson said. "It's so insensitive. He should have not have said that. He shouldn't have said it."


The president called about 4:45 p.m. and spoke to Johnson's pregnant widow, Myeshia Johnson, for about five minutes. She is a mother to Johnson's surviving 2-year-old son and 6-year-old daughter. The conversation happened before Johnson's remains arrived in a commercial Delta Airlines flight at Miami International Airport.

Wilson witnessed as the widow, who is expecting their third baby in January, leaned over the U.S. flag that was draping his casket. Her pregnant belly was shaking against the casket as she sobbed uncontrollably. Their daughter stood next to her stoically. Their toddler waited in the arms of a relative.

There was silence. Local politicians, police officers and firefighters lined up to honor him for his service and for the efforts and discipline that got the former Walmart employee to defy all odds as a 25-year-old member of the 3rd Special Forces Group at Fort Bragg, North Carolina.

Johnson, who participated in a mentorship program Wilson founded in 1993, died during a mission fighting alongside Green Berets. Islamic militants ambushed them Oct. 4 with rocket propelled grenades and machine guns. The team reportedly didn't have overhead armed air cover and were in unarmored pickup trucks. Reuters reported the lack of planning upset the French.

Trump didn't discuss any of the details of the ambush, or said the Pentagon was conducting an investigation. Instead, he focused on questions about whether or not he had offered his condolences to the families of the fallen.

"I will, at some point, during the period of time, call the parents and the families, because I have done that, traditionally," Trump said during a press conference last week.

Wilson criticized Trump for failing to acknowledge Johnson's death after he was left behind during the evacuation and it took nearly two days to find his body in the Republic of Niger's desert. Johnson's body made it to the U.S. Oct. 7 when Trump was playing golf with Sen. Lindsey Graham.

Amid the controversy, Trump later said President Barack Obama and other presidents didn't make calls to the relatives of all fallen servicemen and women. President George W. Bush's and Obama's aides reacted on Twitter and on The Huffington Post saying the president misspoke.

Trump later backpedaled the claim during an interview with NBC's Peter Alexander.

"President Obama I think probably did sometimes, and maybe sometimes he didn’t. I don’t know. That’s what I was told. All I can do—all I can do is ask my generals. Other presidents did not call. They’d write letters. And some presidents didn’t do anything," Trump said. "But I like the combination of—I like, when I can, the combination of a call and also a letter."

The Atlantic's David A. Graham believes Trump used the controversy to distract reporters. Despite the criticism, Trump continued the discussion on Fox News Radio when he raised doubt about whether or not Obama called his chief of staff, John Kelly, when his son died.

Graham said it was Trump's strategy to distract reporters from the important questions about the deadly ambush in Africa.

"The broader question, of what the soldiers who were killed were doing and what went wrong, remains unaddressed by the president, and Trump’s jab at other presidents may, unfortunately, help to keep it that way," Graham wrote.

After an emotional procession from Miami-Dade to Broward County, Johnson's remains were at a funeral home in Hollywood. There will be a public viewing from 4 to 8 p.m., Friday, and a funeral service from 11 a.m. to 1 p.m., Saturday, at the Christ The Rock Church, 11000 Stirling Rd., in Cooper City. The internment will be a the Hollywood Memorial Gardens, 3001 N. 72 St.

According to officials with the Department of Defense the other three victims of the attack were Staff Sgt. Bryan C. Black, 35, of Puyallup, Washington; Staff Sgt. Jeremiah W. Johnson, 39, of Springboro, Ohio, and Staff Sgt. Dustin M. Wright, 29, of Lyons, Georgia.

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RE: ‘Disrespectful lie’: Anger grows over Trump’s... - 10/18/2017 2:07:51 AM   
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Seriously right? Trump says that, he has been told that other Presidents usually do not use the phone to call. That they usually write letters instead.

Then "left news media" keeps bringing up example of visitation.

What has visitation gotta do with "calls"?

On top of that, "Left News Media", starts ranting about how many letters were written. But Trump DID say, they write letters.

Another stupid news twisted by Left Leaning News again.

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RE: ‘Disrespectful lie’: Anger grows over Trump’s... - 10/18/2017 5:05:36 AM   
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greta, to certain people on the left, pretty much everything the president says and does is bad, evil, wrong, a lie, etc.

with that being the case, its hardly ever an issue of giving him the benefit of the doubt, or examining nuance or context; its all a matter of criticizing and denigrating him.

i wrote you this recently, don't know if you saw it: sometimes tribe matters more than truth.

its embarrassing.

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RE: ‘Disrespectful lie’: Anger grows over Trump’s... - 10/18/2017 5:08:31 AM   
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greta, to certain people on the left, pretty much everything the president says and does is bad, evil, wrong, a lie, etc.

its embarrassing.

It is, which is why they take issue with it embarrassing its country the way that it does.
(I thought you guys on the right were supposed to pretend it was behaving like a human being and that it was having a perfectly normal first year in office, btw? Calling it "it" is probably frowned upon in your social circles as well.)

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RE: ‘Disrespectful lie’: Anger grows over Trump’s... - 10/18/2017 5:27:26 AM   
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greta, to certain people on the left, pretty much everything the president says and does is bad, evil, wrong, a lie, etc.

its embarrassing.

It is, which is why they take issue with it embarrassing its country the way that it does.
(I thought you guys on the right were supposed to pretend it was behaving like a human being and that it was having a perfectly normal first year in office, btw? Calling it "it" is probably frowned upon in your social circles as well.)

Actually, bounty, I agree with about 20% of Trump's positions. Infrastructure rebuilding, for example.

But this sort of sweeping generic condemnation is typical of you, and why I don't take you seriously.

And 20% is not an encouraging approval rating.

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RE: ‘Disrespectful lie’: Anger grows over Trump’s... - 10/18/2017 5:52:18 AM   
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Actually, bounty, I agree with about 20% of Trump's positions. Infrastructure rebuilding, for example.

But this sort of sweeping generic condemnation is typical of you, and why I don't take you seriously.

And 20% is not an encouraging approval rating.


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Maybe they'll figure out that incessant jabbing doesn't talk belief and wishes into reality. Probably not.



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RE: ‘Disrespectful lie’: Anger grows over Trump’s... - 10/18/2017 7:21:17 AM   
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Yep. Jabbering about it doesn't make it true for him or you.

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RE: ‘Disrespectful lie’: Anger grows over Trump’s... - 10/19/2017 4:39:34 PM   
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Kelly defends Trump’s call to Gold Star widow

White House Chief of Staff John Kelly on Thursday gave a powerful defense of President Trump’s handling of a call to a Gold Star widow of a soldier who was killed in Niger — and ripped a Florida lawmaker for politicizing the issue.

“There’s no perfect way to make that phone call,” he said in his first public comments on the controversy over the call, which slain Sgt. La David Johnson’s mother Cowanda Jones-Johnson and a Florida lawmaker who knew him called disrespectful.

“If you’ve never worn the uniform, if you’ve never been in combat, you can’t even imagine how to make that call but I think he very bravely does make those calls.”

Kelly, who lost his marine lieutenant son in Afghanistan, said he advised Trump not to make the calls because it was so difficult to deliver such a tragic message.

But the president, he said, insisted that he thought it was the right thing to do.

”He said to me, ‘What do I say?’ ‘I said to him, ‘Sir, there’s nothing you can do to lighten the burden on these families,” he said.

He then said a military friend had told him how he handled the calls, and he shared the advice with the president.

The friend, he said, would tell loved ones that the deceased “was doing exactly what he wanted to do when he was killed. He knew what he was getting into by joining that 1 percent. He knew what the possibilities were.”

That phrasing is similar to what Johnson’s family said Trump told them, that the sergeant “knew what he signed up for.”

Kelly also blasted Democratic Rep. Frederica S. Wilson for listening in and politicizing the call that Trump had made.

“It stuns me that a member of Congress would have listened in on that conversation. Absolutely stuns me,” he said, adding that the death of someone serving their country in the military was sacred.

“I just thought the selfless devotion that brings a man or woman to die in the battlefield, I thought that might be sacred. And when I listened to this woman and what she was saying and what she was doing on TV, the only thing I could do to collect my thoughts was to go and walk among the finest men and women on this earth,” he said.

The lawmaker had gone on television Wednesday morning to attack the president, and engaged in a twitter war with the commander in chief as well.

“And you can always find them. Because they’re in Arlington National Cemetery. Went over there for an hour and a half, walked among the stones some of whom I put there because they were doing what I told them to do when they were killed,” Kelly said.

The marine general also said he was not criticizing ex-President Obama when he told trump that Obama had not for called him after his son Robert Kelly was killed by an Afghan police officer in an ambush.

Kelly also described how families are notified when a service member is killed, saying an officer is dispatched to the family’s home early in the morning, waits for the first light to come on and then knocks on the door to deliver the devastating news.

He also described how he and his wife learned of their own son’s death.

“When my son was killed his friends were calling us from Afghanistan, telling us what a great guy he was,” Kelly said in a steady, subdued voice.

http://nypost.com/2017/10/19/kelly-defends-trumps-call-to-gold-star-widow/

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RE: ‘Disrespectful lie’: Anger grows over Trump’s... - 10/19/2017 4:45:46 PM   
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Yeah, terrible to politicize a fallen soldier. Except when Trump does it? Like, with General Kelley's son?

Maybe Hillary should have went with that whole "they knew what they were getting into" thing during the Benghazi hearings.

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RE: ‘Disrespectful lie’: Anger grows over Trump’s... - 10/19/2017 4:47:21 PM   
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Yeah, terrible to politicize a fallen soldier. Except when Trump does it? Like, with General Kelley's son?


I am sure you have a link to back up your hate spew

Kidding, you're a leftist. Of course you don't



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RE: ‘Disrespectful lie’: Anger grows over Trump’s... - 10/19/2017 4:53:16 PM   
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http://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/17/trump-obama-military-calls-john-kelly-son-243863
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2017/10/17/trump-invokes-death-john-kellys-son-calls-fallen-soldiers-controversy/772783001/
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/obama-call-john-kelly-marine-son-died-action/story?id=50533292

Is your Googler broke?

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