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correspondence theory

The basic idea of the correspondence theory is that what we believe or say is true if it corresponds to the way things actually are – to the facts.

A belief is true if and only if it corresponds to a fact.

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The neo-classical correspondence theory

The correspondence theory of truth is at its core an ontological thesis: a belief is true if there exists an appropriate entity – a fact – to which it corresponds. If there is no such entity, the belief is false.

Facts, for the neo-classical correspondence theory, are entities in their own right. Facts are generally taken to be composed of particulars and properties and relations or universals, at least. The neo-classical correspondence theory thus only makes sense within the setting of a metaphysics that includes such facts.

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The coherence theory

Truth in its essential nature is that systematic coherence which is the character of a significant whole.

A belief is true if and only if it is part of a coherent system of beliefs.

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Pragmatist theories

These can be summed up simply with two statements:
Truth is the end of inquiry.
or
Truth is satisfactory to believe.

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The profession of journalism ought to be about telling people what they need to know - not what they want to know.
Walter Cronkite

In seeking truth you have to get both sides of a story.
Walter Cronkite

It is not the reporter's job to be a patriot or to presume to determine where patriotism lies. His job is to relate the facts.
Walter Cronkite

I am dumbfounded that there hasn't been a crackdown with the libel and slander laws on some of these would-be writers and reporters on the Internet.
Walter Cronkite

American traditions and the American ethic require us to be truthful, but the most important reason is that truth is the best propaganda and lies are the worst. To be persuasive we must be believable; to be believable we must be credible; to be credible we must be truthful. It is as simple as that.
Edward R. Murrow

A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.
Edward R. Murrow

When the politicians complain that TV turns the proceedings into a circus, it should be made clear that the circus was already there, and that TV has merely demonstrated that not all the performers are well trained.
Edward R. Murrow

We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty. We must remember always that accusation is not proof and that conviction depends upon evidence and due process of law. We will not walk in fear, one of another.
Edward R. Murrow

No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we are all his accomplices.
Edward R. Murrow

To be persuasive we must be believable; to be believable we must be credible; credible we must be truthful.
Edward R. Murrow

One of the basic troubles with radio and television news is that both instruments have grown up as an incompatible combination of show business, advertising and news. Each of the three is a rather bizarre and demanding profession. And when you get all three under one roof, the dust never settles.
Edward R. Murrow

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Or in modern America, what is truth as it applies to the news media.

Avoiding Jack Nicholson's tirade of truth from 'A few good men,' philosophically speaking, truth is a matter of perception, hence the saying, "Your truth may not be my truth."

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correspondence theory

The basic idea of the correspondence theory is that what we believe or say is true if it corresponds to the way things actually are – to the facts.

A belief is true if and only if it corresponds to a fact.

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The neo-classical correspondence theory

The correspondence theory of truth is at its core an ontological thesis: a belief is true if there exists an appropriate entity – a fact – to which it corresponds. If there is no such entity, the belief is false.

Facts, for the neo-classical correspondence theory, are entities in their own right. Facts are generally taken to be composed of particulars and properties and relations or universals, at least. The neo-classical correspondence theory thus only makes sense within the setting of a metaphysics that includes such facts.

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The coherence theory

Truth in its essential nature is that systematic coherence which is the character of a significant whole.

A belief is true if and only if it is part of a coherent system of beliefs.

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Pragmatist theories

These can be summed up simply with two statements:
Truth is the end of inquiry.
or
Truth is satisfactory to believe.

While there are many other philosophical theories on the nature of truth, I feel that the ones stated above are most applicable to the debate of fake news, acquisitions from and against the present administration from both sides of the fence, and the perception of what is truth in news as it pertains to either liberals or conservatives depending on which news network one watches.

Of course, I was surprised to see, when going from my old college text books on philosophy (why the fuck do they require a history major to take such courses?) and current schools of thought with texts online, that no current philosophy school of thought has addressed the art or act of 'media spin.'

Now we all know that media spin is the art of spinning a story in such a manner as to be good for one side while damaging to another, or as one news anchor put it, "making a silk purse out of a pigs ear." which was said shortly before his death due to cancer.

There was a few journalists, admired by both sides of the fence in their day that made some very good points on truth in the news:

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The profession of journalism ought to be about telling people what they need to know - not what they want to know.
Walter Cronkite

In seeking truth you have to get both sides of a story.
Walter Cronkite

It is not the reporter's job to be a patriot or to presume to determine where patriotism lies. His job is to relate the facts.
Walter Cronkite

I am dumbfounded that there hasn't been a crackdown with the libel and slander laws on some of these would-be writers and reporters on the Internet.
Walter Cronkite

American traditions and the American ethic require us to be truthful, but the most important reason is that truth is the best propaganda and lies are the worst. To be persuasive we must be believable; to be believable we must be credible; to be credible we must be truthful. It is as simple as that.
Edward R. Murrow

A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.
Edward R. Murrow

When the politicians complain that TV turns the proceedings into a circus, it should be made clear that the circus was already there, and that TV has merely demonstrated that not all the performers are well trained.
Edward R. Murrow

We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty. We must remember always that accusation is not proof and that conviction depends upon evidence and due process of law. We will not walk in fear, one of another.
Edward R. Murrow

No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we are all his accomplices.
Edward R. Murrow

To be persuasive we must be believable; to be believable we must be credible; credible we must be truthful.
Edward R. Murrow

One of the basic troubles with radio and television news is that both instruments have grown up as an incompatible combination of show business, advertising and news. Each of the three is a rather bizarre and demanding profession. And when you get all three under one roof, the dust never settles.
Edward R. Murrow

So with the 'fake news' charges from the right and the left's acquisitions of conservative lies (amounts to the same thing, doesnt it?) let us discuss truth.

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What is objective about reality? Lol

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The phrase "objective reality" means that reality exists independent of our minds. The description "objective" doesn't make a lot of sense on its own, but it does in comparison to the competing theory of the relationship between consciousness and existence.

The Primacy of Consciousness is the view, which Objectivism rejects, that reality is a product of consciousness. In this view, the world is a product of our minds, or the mind of some other being (god). It doesn't exist in itself. It exists as a "figment of your imagination". Like a concept or a memory, reality is said to exist as only a part of your mind. That means that you can change reality by changing your mind. Or another possibility is that you gain knowledge of reality by understanding yourself, or by introspecting. In either case, reality is said to not have it's own existence, but be just a product of your mind. If your mind ever stopped, like if you died, the world would die with you.

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Truth isn't purely perceptual, though that's definitely a common excuse used by idiots in order to dismiss objective reality.

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that you can change reality by changing your mind. Or another possibility is that you gain knowledge of reality by understanding yourself, or by introspecting. In either case, reality is said to not have it's own existence, but be just a product of your mind. If your mind ever stopped, like if you died, the world would die with you.

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

What is objective about reality? Lol

It is a key point in the philosophy of Objectivism, to whit:

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The phrase "objective reality" means that reality exists independent of our minds. The description "objective" doesn't make a lot of sense on its own, but it does in comparison to the competing theory of the relationship between consciousness and existence.

The Primacy of Consciousness is the view, which Objectivism rejects, that reality is a product of consciousness. In this view, the world is a product of our minds, or the mind of some other being (god). It doesn't exist in itself. It exists as a "figment of your imagination". Like a concept or a memory, reality is said to exist as only a part of your mind. That means that you can change reality by changing your mind. Or another possibility is that you gain knowledge of reality by understanding yourself, or by introspecting. In either case, reality is said to not have it's own existence, but be just a product of your mind. If your mind ever stopped, like if you died, the world would die with you.

Which, when one looks at WhoreMods statement:

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Truth isn't purely perceptual, though that's definitely a common excuse used by idiots in order to dismiss objective reality.

Makes one wonder if that is the term he actually meant to use, when you consider:

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that you can change reality by changing your mind. Or another possibility is that you gain knowledge of reality by understanding yourself, or by introspecting. In either case, reality is said to not have it's own existence, but be just a product of your mind. If your mind ever stopped, like if you died, the world would die with you.

Which supports the idea that truth is a matter of perspective and dependent on how one understands reality as it pertains to them.

Then, with the above statement considered, there is no universal truth.

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ORIGINAL: tamaka



Most likely there is but it's beyond our limited perception. People who have a 'sixth sense', such as empaths, have a better sense of truth beyond those limited by the basic 5 senses, imo.

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

What is objective about reality? Lol

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

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ORIGINAL: tamaka



Most likely there is but it's beyond our limited perception. People who have a 'sixth sense', such as empaths, have a better sense of truth beyond those limited by the basic 5 senses, imo.

That sixth sense is nothing more than an individual's vision picking up subtle changes in a person's behavior or body language and their brain's ability to process it, without being able to explain how they know.

It is not telepathy or any magic or paranormal ability.

The same is true for a combat trooper that seems to know in advance the shit is about to hit the fan, without being able to explain how they know.

The most accurate scientific term is acute awareness, which can be learned.

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

What is objective about reality? Lol

The physical laws that govern it. They won't change however much you try to deny them.
But as you don't appear to live there, I suppose your inability to recognise this is inevitable.

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

What is objective about reality? Lol

The physical laws that govern it. They won't change however much you try to deny them.
But as you don't appear to live there, I suppose your inability to recognise this is inevitable.

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ORIGINAL: JVoV

Ah, but there's always relativity.

TV says 'economy booming'. You get laid off.

Rapper gets applauded for freestyle against hateful President. Rapper best known for being able to find rhymes for the words 'slut', 'bitch', 'faggot', and songs about killing the mother of his child.

You know if you actually fill the tank, the car will break down.

I just got $3800 from FEMA, plus $800 in food stamps. Does it seem like there are more Puerto Ricans here in Florida all of a sudden?

Jason Aldeen did a cover of Tom Petty's "I Won't Back Down", shortly after running off the stage from apparent gunfire, without saying a word to the crowd.

And I should stop posting while Alanis's "Ironic" is playing.

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

What is objective about reality? Lol

The physical laws that govern it. They won't change however much you try to deny them.
But as you don't appear to live there, I suppose your inability to recognise this is inevitable.

Ah little grasshopper, things are not as simple as you think.

http://m.nautil.us/issue/29/scaling/will-quantum-mechanics-swallow-relativity

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

What is objective about reality? Lol

The physical laws that govern it. They won't change however much you try to deny them.
But as you don't appear to live there, I suppose your inability to recognise this is inevitable.

Those laws do not govern truth, just the physical world, hence my questioning your statement, which is the basic point of objectivism.

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ORIGINAL: JVoV

Ah, but there's always relativity.

TV says 'economy booming'. You get laid off.

Rapper gets applauded for freestyle against hateful President. Rapper best known for being able to find rhymes for the words 'slut', 'bitch', 'faggot', and songs about killing the mother of his child.

You know if you actually fill the tank, the car will break down.

I just got $3800 from FEMA, plus $800 in food stamps. Does it seem like there are more Puerto Ricans here in Florida all of a sudden?

Jason Aldeen did a cover of Tom Petty's "I Won't Back Down", shortly after running off the stage from apparent gunfire, without saying a word to the crowd.

And I should stop posting while Alanis's "Ironic" is playing.

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ORIGINAL: JVoV

How the fuck did she not get an Academy Award for that song?

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

there is no universal truth.