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RE: Those pesky Russians - 10/19/2017 9:29:42 PM   
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Hang on, so what you are telling us is that some also-ran politician was corrupt? Holy fuck, I am utterly flabbergasted!

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RE: Those pesky Russians - 10/19/2017 10:25:59 PM   
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I do however find it amusing that "russias interference" has been a "hoax" in the rwnjs world....until this report came out. Trump still hasnt discussed the fact that russia interfered in the election.

NOt just the RW "world". The independent world also largely sees it as "fake news". I certainly do. How could anyone not? This story has morphed so many times that it's hard to keep track of what the accusation is. As soon as one accusation is made, it gets knocked down but there's already an avalanche of new allegations.

Puppies on facebook? Really?

I'm solidly in the left and my stance on this is that I want to see some actual evidence. Up until that time, I'm simply assuming the Democratic party is willing to start WW3 in order to score some cheap political points. The Democratic party loses stock in my book day by day as #RussiaGate just gets more and more bizarre. To my knowledge, only folks stuck in the liberal bubble think there's anything to see there. Some of us, however, have been looking at the Clinton foundation and Uranium One for a while so it's nice to see that coming to the fore again. After all, in that case, there is actual evidence.

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RE: Those pesky Russians - 10/20/2017 6:24:09 AM   
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I also have no love for Democratic leadership and their rudderless bungling.

But Trump and Co. have also morphed their story continually, and that's contributed greatly to keeping this alive.

Evidence would be nice, one way or another. A real investigation, not this string of puppet shows.

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RE: Those pesky Russians - 10/20/2017 6:35:15 AM   
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But Trump and Co. have also morphed their story continually, and that's contributed greatly to keeping this alive.


In your world, you probably blame this president for the urine and fecal matter in your Post Toasties

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RE: Those pesky Russians - 10/20/2017 6:37:46 AM   
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Typically of your treatment of posts that address issues.

The resident clown. Always good for a chuckle.

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RE: Those pesky Russians - 10/20/2017 7:10:55 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: JeffBC

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
I do however find it amusing that "russias interference" has been a "hoax" in the rwnjs world....until this report came out. Trump still hasnt discussed the fact that russia interfered in the election.

NOt just the RW "world". The independent world also largely sees it as "fake news". I certainly do. How could anyone not? This story has morphed so many times that it's hard to keep track of what the accusation is. As soon as one accusation is made, it gets knocked down but there's already an avalanche of new allegations.

Puppies on facebook? Really?

I'm solidly in the left and my stance on this is that I want to see some actual evidence. Up until that time, I'm simply assuming the Democratic party is willing to start WW3 in order to score some cheap political points. The Democratic party loses stock in my book day by day as #RussiaGate just gets more and more bizarre. To my knowledge, only folks stuck in the liberal bubble think there's anything to see there. Some of us, however, have been looking at the Clinton foundation and Uranium One for a while so it's nice to see that coming to the fore again. After all, in that case, there is actual evidence.


Great post, thank you for being real.

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RE: Those pesky Russians - 10/20/2017 7:28:07 AM   
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Let's try this again.

Jeff,

I also have no love for Democratic leadership and their rudderless bungling.

But Trump and Co. have also morphed their story continually, and that's contributed greatly to keeping this alive.

Evidence would be nice, one way or another. A real investigation, not this string of puppet shows.

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RE: Those pesky Russians - 10/20/2017 7:31:05 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Let's try this again.

Jeff,

I also have no love for Democratic leadership and their rudderless bungling.

But Trump and Co. have also morphed their story continually, and that's contributed greatly to keeping this alive.

Evidence would be nice, one way or another. A real investigation, not this string of puppet shows.



Oh goody, a do-over! I'm game...

The president's fault? Seriously?

Do you also blame rape victims for neglecting to wear their Burqas properly

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RE: Those pesky Russians - 10/20/2017 7:33:26 AM   
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Nope. Just Trump for continually changing his story, keeping the appearance something is amiss.

If nothing is amiss, that's even more inept.


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RE: Those pesky Russians - 10/20/2017 7:33:39 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Let's try this again.

Jeff,

I also have no love for Democratic leadership and their rudderless bungling.

But Trump and Co. have also morphed their story continually, and that's contributed greatly to keeping this alive.

Evidence would be nice, one way or another. A real investigation, not this string of puppet shows.


Oh how cute. It was the string of puppet shows that you were once touting as proof of Trump's guilt. Now you've seen the light and want to pretend you scorned them all along. Way to troll bro. You're always so smart.

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RE: Those pesky Russians - 10/20/2017 7:34:35 AM   
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No, you simply can't (or choose not to) read.

Go with what's on the screen, not what you invent in your head.

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RE: Those pesky Russians - 10/20/2017 7:35:37 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Nnanji


quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Let's try this again.

Jeff,

I also have no love for Democratic leadership and their rudderless bungling.

But Trump and Co. have also morphed their story continually, and that's contributed greatly to keeping this alive.

Evidence would be nice, one way or another. A real investigation, not this string of puppet shows.


Oh how cute. It was the string of puppet shows that you were once touting as proof of Trump's guilt. Now you've seen the light and want to pretend you scorned them all along. Way to troll bro. You're always so smart.


Yep, now that the evidence is pointing to Hillary and Obama it's a "puppet show"

SOP for his kind of trolling

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RE: Those pesky Russians - 10/20/2017 7:38:10 AM   
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Nope. Investigate and find out. Whatever it is.

As you well know (but can't accept because you have no other talking point), I'm no HC supporter, and I spent 8 years calling Obama Bush-Lite.

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RE: Those pesky Russians - 10/20/2017 7:39:59 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX

quote:

ORIGINAL: Nnanji


quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Let's try this again.

Jeff,

I also have no love for Democratic leadership and their rudderless bungling.

But Trump and Co. have also morphed their story continually, and that's contributed greatly to keeping this alive.

Evidence would be nice, one way or another. A real investigation, not this string of puppet shows.


Oh how cute. It was the string of puppet shows that you were once touting as proof of Trump's guilt. Now you've seen the light and want to pretend you scorned them all along. Way to troll bro. You're always so smart.


Yep, now that the evidence is pointing to Hillary and Obama it's a "puppet show"

SOP for his kind of trolling

Note what she trolled back to me. She's going to pretend she never did it and pretend we were imagining it. Of course, in her mind pretend is reality so she'll have moral justification for her position.

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RE: Those pesky Russians - 10/20/2017 8:29:17 AM   
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* shrug *

Gender identification problems again? Talk with your dad, perhaps.

You claim it, you cite it. Good luck finding what isn't there.

Seriously, you're an adult?

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RE: Those pesky Russians - 10/21/2017 2:55:08 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: JeffBC

I'm solidly in the left and my stance on this is that I want to see some actual evidence. Up until that time, I'm simply assuming the Democratic party is willing to start WW3 in order to score some cheap political points. The Democratic party loses stock in my book day by day as #RussiaGate just gets more and more bizarre. To my knowledge, only folks stuck in the liberal bubble think there's anything to see there. Some of us, however, have been looking at the Clinton foundation and Uranium One for a while so it's nice to see that coming to the fore again. After all, in that case, there is actual evidence.


For me, what I highlighted is the crux of the matter. With all the leaks, coming out targeting this White House, I have yet to see anything that resembles an actual confirmable fact that is in any way damning.

One of the Trump kids met with a Russian lawyer? Okay. One of the ladies in my life is a Russian lawyer (born in Russia, practices here). So? Am I part of this "collusion" bullshit?

For the record: two issues have been getting morphed. There's a common expression being thrown around: "The Russians hacked our democracy". The word "hacked" is usually taken to mean "infiltrated" by some sort of nefarious means in order to "change" something about the operating system.

Our "operating system" has been essentially corrupt for decades. Of course political contributions are an attempt to buy influence. Duh! Every politician in the country takes "contributions" from somewhere.

Collusion? Opposition research is another thing that has been cemented into our system. If that's how we're defining "collusion", I think a much better case could be made for that now-de-bunked report that allegedly came out of Russia by way of a retired MI5 officer. Of course, he's inconveniently dead so the DNC got away with that one. I would say that fits the definition of "collusion".



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RE: Those pesky Russians - 10/21/2017 2:12:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LTE


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who by?


http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/amazingly-scandal-free-administration

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2017/10/trump_s_lies_about_health_care_destabilize_our_democracy.html

There is two articles about it.


I like Rachel. Remember that Trump tax returned she exposed? I heard she was wearing high heels that night. It lifts her above the partisan politics so rampant in the media these days. Don't you think?


That Tax return show was misguided, and a short low-point in her career. I don't know what she was thinking.

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RE: Those pesky Russians - 10/21/2017 2:27:41 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: JeffBC

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
I do however find it amusing that "russias interference" has been a "hoax" in the rwnjs world....until this report came out. Trump still hasnt discussed the fact that russia interfered in the election.

NOt just the RW "world". The independent world also largely sees it as "fake news". I certainly do. How could anyone not? This story has morphed so many times that it's hard to keep track of what the accusation is. As soon as one accusation is made, it gets knocked down but there's already an avalanche of new allegations.


Your claim about the independent world is specious.

Your claim that accusations are knocked down is simply inaccurate. Please cite an accusation that has been "knocked down".

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RE: Those pesky Russians - 10/21/2017 9:54:50 PM   
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Putin is a good head of state for Russia. He is quite FOR Russia and doesn't suffer foolishness well. I like the way he calmly calls it bullshit when he thinks it is such. It makes sense that Ms Waffle & Spin Clinton developed a hate for him while Sec. State.

Trump, before his inauguration, was quite free to make legal contracts with Russian businesses. Hillary, by having a cabinet position, was not.

That is why there is so much "ho-hum" over Trump contacts with Russian businessmen and officials prior to the 2016 elections. There is consternation over Russian donations to the Clinton foundation concurrent with the Hillary led State Department approving sales of regulated materials to Russian companies.

I do consider the gross conceptual error of saying she sold it to the Russians to be a flag for "fake news" as they are too stupid to get things right. It was a business deal between two companies that, per international treaty, required government approval from both sides.

None of the mainstream clueless newsreaders have mentioned WHY the U.S. is selling Uranium to a country that has more Uranium than we do. And no mention if the "sale of uranium" was of highly enriched bomb grade or low enrichment power plant grade or natural uranium or of uranium ore to be refined in Russia. Besides the fact that there is no U.S. company left that refines Uranium; there might be another reason.

A country with serious historic issues of bribery being necessary for any approval of business dealings coupled with what most would consider a HUGE charitable donation to a charity influenced if not outright run by a government official. That is an appearance of impropriety if not indication of criminal acts.

Now, to lay aside the political finger pointing..... some brass tacks to put into the issue.

Why send uranium from the U.S. to Russia
https://www.iaea.org/newscenter/news/board-governors-approves-plan-nuclear-fuel-bank

And, believe it or not, the uranium sitting on U.S. soil (through some corporate links) actually belongs to Russians. But to ship it out of the country; you need State Department approval.

Most U.S. Uranium mines are owned by Uranium One, Ltd. with corporate headquarters in Toronto, Ontario.
One of the major stockholders in Uranium One, Ltd. is a large Russian nuclear company. Uranium ONE has mines and fuel manufacturing in Canada, the U.S., and... oh, go check their website for how big they are...
http://www.uranium1.com/our-operations/#home

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uranium_One

Will it turn out that the Sec. State took a hidden bribe to approve the shipment of Uranium out of the country? Perhaps the emails from the illegal server Hillary had will show whether it was a deal or coincidence of timing.

The really hinky thing about the story is that no mainstream news outlet reports exactly what and how much was involved and none of the major news outlets reported the corporate links it took me less than a half hour to drill down to.

... so sick of pushing a narrative by newsreaders rather than actually reporting some facts. Fox, NBC, CNN, ABC, all seem to be competing for how clueless they can be while virtue signaling an agenda.


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