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RE: -=Sociologists Reclassify BDSM As “Leisure Activi... - 10/18/2017 6:11:09 PM

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Base jumping is illegal, Greta: somebody owns those buildings, and as a rule they don't want some attention seeker with a hipster haircut jumping off them so he can brag about doing so on Facebook.

There are legal base Jumping. Some buildings allow it be done legally when properly applied. We had many legal base jumpers applied for legal base jumping in Singapore and was permitted. We have plenty of buildings here. It's not all about attention seeking. And many people base jump not just from buildings but from cliffs too. It's death-defying sports, just like any other extreme sports.

https://www.marinabaysands.com/content/dam/singapore/marinabaysands/master/main/home/company-information/media-centre/jan2012/010112%20Singapore%27s%20largest%20BASE%20jumping%20stunt%20a%20resounding%20success.pdf

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RE: -=Sociologists Reclassify BDSM As “Leisure Activi... - 10/18/2017 10:58:38 PM

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For once, there's even too much for me to quote.

I'll just make points as I feel appropriate. I'll give you a couple of easy ones, first.

I was never big on the idea that an acronym, with very specific letters, was attempted to be transformed into something that was never intended. In my opinion, BDSM really does stand for Bondage, Discipline, Sadism, and Masochism, or Sadomasochism, if preferred. My further opinion is that attempting to through D/s in there is not correct because other acronyms don't attempt to make abbreviations stand for more than one word should try to stand for two. I'm still waiting for the person to come along to show me other examples of how this works in other areas of life, and it's never been done to my satisfaction, so I've pretty much given up waiting.

At the same time, it's been so commonly accepted that I'm not into arguing about it, anymore. I wasn't a part of the 'internet evolution' that makes people want to claim it. I have no desire to dispute a bunch of people who had a UseNet account back in the day. I consider it a lost cause.

Let's talk about SSC...

You know leather history better than I do. We've talked about this history on other occasions. We know the history off SSC, WHY it became the standard, how it was necessary that the time...

I regret to be the person to inform you. David Stein passed just a few days ago. From what I know, he regretted coining SSC. He did it for the press, and EVERY article he had done since, spoke of his reluctance.

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RE: -=Sociologists Reclassify BDSM As “Leisure Activi... - 10/19/2017 11:43:07 AM

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Oh look, some over the hill old white guy telling us we are all doing shit wrong. What a refreshingly new experience.

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RE: -=Sociologists Reclassify BDSM As “Leisure Activi... - 10/19/2017 12:09:29 PM

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There are legal base Jumping. Some buildings allow it be done legally when properly applied. We had many legal base jumpers applied for legal base jumping in Singapore and was permitted. We have plenty of buildings here. It's not all about attention seeking. And many people base jump not just from buildings but from cliffs too. It's death-defying sports, just like any other extreme sports.

Well, yes, but that isn't proper base jumping.
If they let you do it with written permission, rather than you having to sneak your parachute up to the top past security, then it doesn't really count. It's like the BDSM tupperware parties RS is complaining about, dig? If base jumping isn't an outlaw thing that might lead to you getting locked up when you land on a highway during rsh hour and can't run away because you've messed your knee up landing badly, then it isn't hardcore base jumping, and if it isn't hardcore, then it isn't anything.
That's where your comparison of that stuff to S&M really does stand up from the OP's viewpoint, I suspect.

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RE: -=Sociologists Reclassify BDSM As “Leisure Activi... - 10/19/2017 1:23:48 PM

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Do you only learn from black guys because you have a prejudice against white guys? The 'old guard', those that might still be alive, are a bunch of really old guys that laid the foundation for this thing we call BDSM. Your smartass could stand to learn a lot from them about respect, social protocol and how to use your manners... even if you are prejudiced against learning from your elders.

The fact you broadcast your ignorance and prejudice is like a public service for those of us that still read these forums, but wish to filter out the trolls. And for that we thank you.

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Oh look, some over the hill old white guy telling us we are all doing shit wrong. What a refreshingly new experience.

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RE: -=Sociologists Reclassify BDSM As “Leisure Activi... - 10/19/2017 4:09:38 PM

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Oh look, some over the hill old white guy telling us we are all doing shit wrong. What a refreshingly new experience.

LOL. Dizzy, you are quickly becoming one of my favorite posters to read here. Even though I'm a little scared of you.

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RE: -=Sociologists Reclassify BDSM As “Leisure Activi... - 10/19/2017 4:17:01 PM

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I get it, sort of. When I was a vegetarian, I was truly disturbed and annoyed by those fucking pescatarians and vegetarians who only ate chicken. I worked very hard at keeping my lifestyle what it should have been, and I did it for years and years, and then some little teenager needing to rebel decided that a pollo-vegetarian is a thing.

It cheapened what I held so dear.

Of course, these days I cook my steak in bacon grease, so...maybe BDSM is a leisure activity.

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RE: -=Sociologists Reclassify BDSM As “Leisure Activi... - 10/19/2017 4:30:11 PM

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That popped your bubble, huh...

And all these years I thought you were just an old swinger...

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RE: -=Sociologists Reclassify BDSM As “Leisure Activi... - 10/19/2017 5:42:16 PM

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Yuppers.... telling me it was scientifically studied and found that suturing someone's mouth shut, stapling their nipples down and beating them with barbed wire until they bleed is akin to golfing really blindsided me. I discovered I know nothing about BDSM and have anything in common with whomever was in that study group. My bubble is burst and I am gonna have to learn how to use fuzzy handcuffs if I want to hang out with the cool kids in the BDSM crowd now.

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That popped your bubble, huh...

And all these years I thought you were just an old swinger...

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RE: -=Sociologists Reclassify BDSM As “Leisure Activi... - 10/19/2017 8:39:56 PM

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There are legal base Jumping. Some buildings allow it be done legally when properly applied. We had many legal base jumpers applied for legal base jumping in Singapore and was permitted. We have plenty of buildings here. It's not all about attention seeking. And many people base jump not just from buildings but from cliffs too. It's death-defying sports, just like any other extreme sports.

Well, yes, but that isn't proper base jumping.
If they let you do it with written permission, rather than you having to sneak your parachute up to the top past security, then it doesn't really count. It's like the BDSM tupperware parties RS is complaining about, dig? If base jumping isn't an outlaw thing that might lead to you getting locked up when you land on a highway during rsh hour and can't run away because you've messed your knee up landing badly, then it isn't hardcore base jumping, and if it isn't hardcore, then it isn't anything.
That's where your comparison of that stuff to S&M really does stand up from the OP's viewpoint, I suspect.

I don't think there is anything about base jumping that is about doing it illegally. What it is, is jumping from very low heights with a parachute which is alot more dangerous than sky diving. It's a very dangerous and respectable sport. I'd love to see S&M reach that direction.

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RE: -=Sociologists Reclassify BDSM As “Leisure Activi... - 10/19/2017 9:08:14 PM

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No, just old white men who think they can tell everybody else how to live simply because they are old white guys.
As for learning from my elders, well I have rarely encountered anybody older than me with anything to teach me that was worth learning, and you fit into that category.

Now take your sad wrinkled old entitled ass and fuck off.

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RE: -=Sociologists Reclassify BDSM As “Leisure Activi... - 10/19/2017 9:10:09 PM

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Oh look, some over the hill old white guy telling us we are all doing shit wrong. What a refreshingly new experience.

LOL. Dizzy, you are quickly becoming one of my favorite posters to read here. Even though I'm a little scared of you.

Don't worry, I'll say something that will piss you off before too long.

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RE: -=Sociologists Reclassify BDSM As “Leisure Activi... - 10/20/2017 1:33:24 AM

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“Our findings show, overwhelmingly, that BDSM fits properties of common leisure experience, similar to people who enjoy golf, swimming and attending cultural events,”

They're just dragging BDSM out of the world of psychopathology, mainly. That is, you're not necessarily ill the head if you're into it. I think most of us here, if not all of us, would agree with that. (Well, to the point of 'that's bleeding obvious, isn't it?' - but we're practitioners, aren't we?)

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RE: -=Sociologists Reclassify BDSM As “Leisure Activi... - 10/20/2017 11:41:38 AM

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No, just old white men who think they can tell everybody else how to live simply because they are old white guys.
As for learning from my elders, well I have rarely encountered anybody older than me with anything to teach me that was worth learning, and you fit into that category.

Now take your sad wrinkled old entitled ass and fuck off.

He's just trying to give himself a hard-on by resorting to his narcissm.

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RE: -=Sociologists Reclassify BDSM As “Leisure Activi... - 10/20/2017 6:42:18 PM

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There may be some Old Guard types still alive. But I doubt I’d trust the memory of any 90 year old.

And none of the ones I knew when young are still alive. So tell me RS, how many 94 year old gay leathermen do you know and could you really call them sharp witted?

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RE: -=Sociologists Reclassify BDSM As “Leisure Activi... - 10/21/2017 9:39:18 AM

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Point is RS; that no matter who laid the foundations for BDSM, it has evolved. Everyone has a right to interpret it as they see fit. They're allowed to enjoy it as they see fit. There are points of etiquette from the "Old Guard" days I see value in and others that are utter horseshit. BDSM today may not be what you remember. That's called life. It grows, it shrinks, it changes, it moves on.

It moves on.

No offense, but your opinion is just that. An opinion. No more right or wrong than some newbie. Everyone takes from this what they want/need.

Did you want a cookie with this whine?

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RE: -=Sociologists Reclassify BDSM As “Leisure Activi... - 10/21/2017 12:40:38 PM

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Well I am going to side with RS on this one.

Merriam Webster defines leisure as:
:freedom provided by the cessation of activities; especially :time free from work or duties

Equating BDSM to a leisure activity is not an accurate statement or vein of thought. Trying to say BDSM is like riding your bicycle after eating dinner or going for a walk in a park just does not work. While BDSM is becoming more mainstream it is not a leisure activity.

Some interesting statistics on actual leisure activities:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/382623/most-popular-leisure-activities-among-adults-us/

Interestingly no mention of sex or kinky play in their list of leisure activities.

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RE: -=Sociologists Reclassify BDSM As “Leisure Activi... - 10/21/2017 1:20:08 PM

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While it's not like riding a bike, I always considered it as a choice and as long as it is consensual there is nothing weird about it, possibly a bit risky at times, hence the informed consent. But I'm the first one to admit that my life doesn't revolve around BDSM, it's more like a nice addition that makes my life a bit better, but not essential. If anything I would call it an orientation.

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RE: -=Sociologists Reclassify BDSM As “Leisure Activi... - 10/21/2017 2:24:37 PM

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I've got to say: really, who the hell cares? Jeez - who needs to be validated as to his or her idea of the good life from anybody - the oldest and most intensely bearded, or the youngest and most desperately 'radical' and 'individualistic' gobshite, or anybody else in between, on some increasingly-clapped out forum like this?

I've never investigated what 'BDSM' means, or is truly meant to mean, and I almost certainly never will. Christ, what an irrelevance.

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RE: -=Sociologists Reclassify BDSM As “Leisure Activi... - 10/21/2017 5:57:28 PM

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Jeez - who needs to be validated as to his or her idea of the good life from anybody...

Bingo.

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