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Is it illegal in the US to touch a woman's breast witho... - 10/18/2017 5:17:49 AM

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I ask this because, the audio of Weinstein assaulting a woman has been going around. And he admits on the audio to touching her breast without her permission and basically telling her, he doesn't care that she doesn't want it.

YET, the court took Weinstein side over the girl? And he got away.

How is this possible?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCwGfmVzzwU

RE: Is it illegal in the US to touch a woman's breast w... - 10/18/2017 9:03:55 AM

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I didn't watch the YouTube. But I believe that touching someone is technically battery. There are mitigations of course. For instance brushing someone while getting off a crowded train.

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RE: Is it illegal in the US to touch a woman's breast w... - 10/18/2017 10:00:42 AM

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There is a lot of things not legal in this country but people get away with it. Or else get very little time or a small fine.

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RE: Is it illegal in the US to touch a woman's breast w... - 10/18/2017 10:02:17 AM

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There is a lot of things not legal but people get away with it. Or else not enough jail time. Sorry about the double post. Tried to delete one but don't see the option. Just like sometimes there is no option to post at all until I come back later.

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RE: Is it illegal in the US to touch a woman's breast w... - 10/18/2017 11:13:56 AM

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They'll make him President next ....

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RE: Is it illegal in the US to touch a woman's breast w... - 10/18/2017 11:22:46 AM

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They'll make him President next ....

No, he has to publicly show contrition by bleating on chat shows after he's got out of rehab first. I'd imagine the same etiquette applies to sex addicts as does to piss artists and druggies.

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RE: Is it illegal in the US to touch a woman's breast w... - 10/18/2017 1:57:11 PM

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greta, can you give a little more context. did she press charges?

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RE: Is it illegal in the US to touch a woman's breast w... - 10/18/2017 4:22:00 PM

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I ask this because, the audio of Weinstein assaulting a woman has been going around. And he admits on the audio to touching her breast without her permission and basically telling her, he doesn't care that she doesn't want it.

YET, the court took Weinstein side over the girl? And he got away.

How is this possible?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCwGfmVzzwU

Even with the audio, the case never went to court. If you would have watched The View segment you linked, you'd know that, and you'd know that the DA got a $10k donation to his campaign fund shortly after dropping charges, from Weinstein's lawyer.

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RE: Is it illegal in the US to touch a woman's breast w... - 10/18/2017 4:56:55 PM

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greta, if what jv is saying is correct, then "he got away" because of the lack of a court case.

in America some things are illegal and the state will pursue charges of its own accord. other things are illegal but require the harmed parties to press charges.

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RE: Is it illegal in the US to touch a woman's breast w... - 10/18/2017 5:10:55 PM

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In some states it is considered simple assault, and there are others, in which is is considered a misdemeanor sexual assault.

Depends on the state, the judge, and how much money the defendant has, which is pretty much the way the American court system seems to work when it comes to guys like this piece of shit.

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RE: Is it illegal in the US to touch a woman's breast w... - 10/18/2017 5:12:56 PM

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Breasts may not actually be covered in sexual assault laws, since they're not sexual organs.

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RE: Is it illegal in the US to touch a woman's breast w... - 10/18/2017 6:24:31 PM

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greta, can you give a little more context. did she press charges?

Watch the video, there is even an attorney who prosecute molest and rape cases commenting on how she is shock that with absolutely clear evidence and admission of guilt by weinstein, that the courts let him go.

The girl did everything correctly. Went to the police immediately, gave clear evidence. Despite doing everything as a professional lawyer would advice.

Weinstein got off.

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RE: Is it illegal in the US to touch a woman's breast w... - 10/18/2017 6:27:57 PM

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Even with the audio, the case never went to court. If you would have watched The View segment you linked, you'd know that, and you'd know that the DA got a $10k donation to his campaign fund shortly after dropping charges, from Weinstein's lawyer.

Why is it even legal for the DA to accept money from the perpetrator?
So in this case Weinstein bribed the DA to tell the girl she didn't have enough to defend herself in court. BUT the attorney in that video says she has more than enough to win.

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RE: Is it illegal in the US to touch a woman's breast w... - 10/18/2017 6:53:45 PM

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If that were a workplace incident; and the person was told their touch was unacceptable and they didn't touch again, that isn't considered a violation of law. Sleazy behavior but not unlawful.

Although it really depends on the jurisdiction; there really wasn't enough in that tape to get a conviction and likely not enough to get a Grand Jury indictment. No matter how much the former DA on The View wants to rant; there wasn't an admission of unlawful behavior but admission of being a sleaze.

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RE: Is it illegal in the US to touch a woman's breast w... - 10/18/2017 7:05:17 PM

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If that were a workplace incident; and the person was told their touch was unacceptable and they didn't touch again, that isn't considered a violation of law. Sleazy behavior but not unlawful.

That's awful.

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RE: Is it illegal in the US to touch a woman's breast w... - 10/18/2017 7:53:05 PM

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If that were a workplace incident; and the person was told their touch was unacceptable and they didn't touch again, that isn't considered a violation of law. Sleazy behavior but not unlawful.

That's awful.

Actually, it is a protocol for correcting inappropriate behavior without draconian impact on the workplace. The person gets a chance to correct their behavior before termination.

> First, tell them to stop.
> Contact your supervisor if they don't stop.
> Your supervisor should contact the offending party's supervisor or do the written reprimand himself if you both work for him. (record is NOT optional -- second strike)
> Contact Human Resources. If the objectionable behavior continues. (3 strikes and fired is not uncommon)

Sometimes (and I mean SOMETIMES not always) it can be a cultural issue and not intentional harassment. We saw a lot of that in the military where you had multiple cultures tossed in together. Differences in slang, differences in body language and gestures, can fuel feelings of hostility that didn't exist in the mind of the offender. Military was easier to deal with in that respect as you could fall back on standards of "military decorum" instead of having to do counseling to get both parties to understand each other and, hopefully, adjust behavior to something mutually acceptable.

A repeated pattern of hostile behavior (and sexually inappropriate behavior is considered hostile in most jurisdictions these days) is grounds for termination and possibly referral to legal authorities for prosecution. BTW, Government Prosecutors love the corporate referred cases like this as the legal bar for a "termination for cause" is actually above the bar for a criminal prosecution.

That is a front line supervisor's take on workplace behavior issues. The big thing is you have to document, document, document. The last thing you want is to be involved in a multi million dollar lawsuit for "wrongful termination".

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RE: Is it illegal in the US to touch a woman's breast w... - 10/18/2017 8:22:25 PM

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Even with the audio, the case never went to court. If you would have watched The View segment you linked, you'd know that, and you'd know that the DA got a $10k donation to his campaign fund shortly after dropping charges, from Weinstein's lawyer.

Why is it even legal for the DA to accept money from the perpetrator?
So in this case Weinstein bribed the DA to tell the girl she didn't have enough to defend herself in court. BUT the attorney in that video says she has more than enough to win.

You should try to read all the words. Weinstein didn't donate the money himself, and there is likely no evidence that the lawyer funneled it for him. It was a political campaign, and as an attorney in NY, Weinstein's lawyer may have had good/ethical reasons for donating to the DA's campaign.

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RE: Is it illegal in the US to touch a woman's breast w... - 10/18/2017 8:39:41 PM

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Actually, it is a protocol for correcting inappropriate behavior without draconian impact on the workplace. The person gets a chance to correct their behavior before termination.

> First, tell them to stop.
> Contact your supervisor if they don't stop.
> Your supervisor should contact the offending party's supervisor or do the written reprimand himself if you both work for him. (record is NOT optional -- second strike)
> Contact Human Resources. If the objectionable behavior continues. (3 strikes and fired is not uncommon)
Sometimes (and I mean SOMETIMES not always) it can be a cultural issue and not intentional harassment.

I don't think it's a cultural issue at all. Sexual molestation at work includes men smacking a woman's butt or touching her breasts. I don't know in which culture is this considered acceptable on a daily basis. That a man has the right to do that to a woman at work.
There is nothing draconian about punishing such behaviours. It's precisely just giving them warning, that allows them to keep getting away with such behaviours, and also sending a message that it's no big deal.

Which is why I am staying put in my country where I am protected from such male harassment. And a man at work touching my breast or smacking my butt is a clear cut jail term for him. There is no excuse. He does not own my body. He has no right to touch me. I am not his object.

I don't understand why US laws still allows men to treat any women as their objects. What is the message they are sending?

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