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Libertarian - 12/4/2017 2:56:12 PM   
Hillwilliam


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It seems that there is a YUUUUGE misconception about what a Libertarian believes in.

A certain hard RW poster even calls himself a Libertarian on his blog.
Several LW posters seem to think that Libertarian is something to the Right of a Nazi.

Let's just solve the debate.

https://www.lp.org/platform/

This is the OFFICIAL platform of the Libertarian party.

Please note a few highlights.

1.1 Self-Ownership

Individuals own their bodies and have rights over them that other individuals, groups, and governments may not violate. Individuals have the freedom and responsibility to decide what they knowingly and voluntarily consume, and what risks they accept to their own health, finances, safety, or life.

In other words end the war on drugs

1.3 Privacy

Libertarians advocate individual privacy and government transparency. We are committed to ending government’s practice of spying on everyone. We support the rights recognized by the Fourth Amendment to be secure in our persons, homes, property, and communications. Protection from unreasonable search and seizure should include records held by third parties, such as email, medical, and library records.

Repeal Homeland security

1.5 Abortion

Recognizing that abortion is a sensitive issue and that people can hold good-faith views on all sides, we believe that government should be kept out of the matter, leaving the question to each person for their conscientious consideration.

PRO FUCKING CHOICE]

1.9 Self-Defense
The only legitimate use of force is in defense of individual rights—life, liberty, and justly acquired property—against aggression. This right inheres in the individual, who may agree to be aided by any other individual or group. We affirm the individual right recognized by the Second Amendment to keep and bear arms, and oppose the prosecution of individuals for exercising their rights of self-defense. Private property owners should be free to establish their own conditions regarding the presence of personal defense weapons on their own property. We oppose all laws at any level of government restricting, registering, or monitoring the ownership, manufacture, or transfer of firearms or ammunition.

Pro Gun

2.2 Environment

Competitive free markets and property rights stimulate the technological innovations and behavioral changes required to protect our environment and ecosystems. Private landowners and conservation groups have a vested interest in maintaining natural resources. Governments are unaccountable for damage done to our environment and have a terrible track record when it comes to environmental protection. Protecting the environment requires a clear definition and enforcement of individual rights and responsibilities regarding resources like land, water, air, and wildlife. Where damages can be proven and quantified in a court of law, restitution to the injured parties must be required.

Stop Corporate Welfare for big oil and coal

2.3 Energy and Resources

While energy is needed to fuel a modern society, government should not be subsidizing any particular form of energy. We oppose all government control of energy pricing, allocation, and production.

See above

2.5 Government Employees


We favor repealing any requirement that one must join or pay dues to a union as a condition of government employment. We advocate replacing defined-benefit pensions with defined-contribution plans, as are commonly offered in the private sector, so as not to impose debt on future generations without their consent.


Get rid of the fuckin YOONYUNS

2.7 Marketplace Freedom

Libertarians support free markets. We defend the right of individuals to form corporations, cooperatives and other types of entities based on voluntary association. We oppose all forms of government subsidies and bailouts to business, labor, or any other special interest. Government should not compete with private enterprise.

End corporate Welfare

3.1 National Defense

We support the maintenance of a sufficient military to defend the United States against aggression. The United States should both avoid entangling alliances and abandon its attempts to act as policeman for the world. We oppose any form of compulsory national service.

Defense, not Oil Wars

3.3 International Affairs

American foreign policy should seek an America at peace with the world. Our foreign policy should emphasize defense against attack from abroad and enhance the likelihood of peace by avoiding foreign entanglements. We would end the current U.S. government policy of foreign intervention, including military and economic aid. We recognize the right of all people to resist tyranny and defend themselves and their rights. We condemn the use of force, and especially the use of terrorism, against the innocent, regardless of whether such acts are committed by governments or by political or revolutionary groups.

See above

3.4 Free Trade and Migration

We support the removal of governmental impediments to free trade. Political freedom and escape from tyranny demand that individuals not be unreasonably constrained by government in the crossing of political boundaries. Economic freedom demands the unrestricted movement of human as well as financial capital across national borders. However, we support control over the entry into our country of foreign nationals who pose a credible threat to security, health or property.

Immigration anyone?

3.5 Rights and Discrimination

Libertarians embrace the concept that all people are born with certain inherent rights. We reject the idea that a natural right can ever impose an obligation upon others to fulfill that “right.” We condemn bigotry as irrational and repugnant. Government should neither deny nor abridge any individual’s human right based upon sex, wealth, ethnicity, creed, age, national origin, personal habits, political preference or sexual orientation. Members of private organizations retain their rights to set whatever standards of association they deem appropriate, and individuals are free to respond with ostracism, boycotts and other free-market solutions.

Pro Gay Marriage, etc

Think about this those of you on the Right who CLAIM to be Libertarians who are just fucking ignorant hypocrites.




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RE: Libertarian - 12/4/2017 3:26:06 PM   
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I think that's a lost battle there. I have no doubt that the sort of people who have no idea what a conservative, socialist or communist is don't have have clue one about libertarian values either, but ignorance won't stop people who vote republican every election calling themselves libertarians if they think it makes them sound a bit anti-establishment. The only libertarian concept most of these idiots can grasp is the distaste towards taxes.

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RE: Libertarian - 12/4/2017 3:27:11 PM   
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Alas, that may well be true.

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RE: Libertarian - 12/4/2017 3:32:30 PM   
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Hmmm... I agree with far too much of that.

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RE: Libertarian - 12/4/2017 3:39:03 PM   
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I have always believed in sustainable practices over "Gimme" politics that just rob the productive elements of society of the resources they need to live happy and successful lives.

And both parties are robbing us of those resources in unison-not matter how much good they claim to do.

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RE: Libertarian - 12/4/2017 3:45:08 PM   
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what a peevish petty fool you are.

whats more, the libertarian POLITICAL PARTY does not speak for, or capture all of libertarianism.

ive said something similar to you before. are you capable of learning?

further, social/political philosophy purity is more of a unicorn than anything. more often than not, people's views have some hybridization to them.

now just for fun---go ahead and post ALL the evidence in a persuasive essay from the anonymous "hard RW poster" that runs contrary to what you just posted about libertarianism


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RE: Libertarian - 12/4/2017 3:53:53 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: bounty44


now just for fun---go ahead and post ALL the evidence in a persuasive essay from the anonymous "hard RW poster" that runs contrary to what you just posted about libertarianism



You mean the VERY pro life poster who calls himself "Mike the Libertarian" on his blog?

If you would get his cock out of your mouth long enough, you'd see it.

by the way, his essays aren't persuasive. Just ludicrous.

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RE: Libertarian - 12/4/2017 3:54:29 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
3.4 Free Trade and Migration
We support the removal of governmental impediments to free trade. Political freedom and escape from tyranny demand that individuals not be unreasonably constrained by government in the crossing of political boundaries. Economic freedom demands the unrestricted movement of human as well as financial capital across national borders. However, we support control over the entry into our country of foreign nationals who pose a credible threat to security, health or property.

Immigration anyone?


http://www.libertylawsite.org/2015/10/27/why-libertarians-can-believe-in-borders/

http://www.fairus.org/issue/the-il-logic-of-open-border-libertarians

http://libertyhangout.org/2016/12/open-borders-are-not-libertarian-theyre-communist/

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2016/04/bionic-mosquito/open-borders-anti-libertarian/

whaaaaaat? its possible to be libertarian and believe in borders??

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RE: Libertarian - 12/4/2017 3:57:13 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: bounty44

quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
3.4 Free Trade and Migration
We support the removal of governmental impediments to free trade. Political freedom and escape from tyranny demand that individuals not be unreasonably constrained by government in the crossing of political boundaries. Economic freedom demands the unrestricted movement of human as well as financial capital across national borders. However, we support control over the entry into our country of foreign nationals who pose a credible threat to security, health or property.

Immigration anyone?


http://www.libertylawsite.org/2015/10/27/why-libertarians-can-believe-in-borders/

http://www.fairus.org/issue/the-il-logic-of-open-border-libertarians

http://libertyhangout.org/2016/12/open-borders-are-not-libertarian-theyre-communist/

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2016/04/bionic-mosquito/open-borders-anti-libertarian/

whaaaaaat? its possible to be libertarian and believe in borders??


If you could fucking read, you wouldn't say that I or any other Libertarian doesn't believe in borders.

"However, we support control over the entry into our country of foreign nationals who pose a credible threat to security, health or property. "

Keep spouting ignorance

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RE: Libertarian - 12/4/2017 3:58:18 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

1.5 Abortion

Recognizing that abortion is a sensitive issue and that people can hold good-faith views on all sides, we believe that government should be kept out of the matter, leaving the question to each person for their conscientious consideration.

PRO FUCKING CHOICE]



whaaaaaaaaat, pro-life libertarians:

(from another past post, one in which you were in on. see my point about "learning"

because of course the baby has no right to liberty. %(*@&%& idiot.

Libertarians for Life - Official Site

Libertarian and Pro-Life Too

Libertarians for Life

quote:

Opposition to legal abortion[edit]

The anti-abortion libertarian group Libertarians for Life argues that humans in the zygotic, embryonic, and fetal stages of development have the same rights as humans in the neonatal stage and beyond. Doris Gordon of the group notes that the principles of both the U.S. Libertarian Party and Objectivist ethics require some obligation to children and counter with an appeal to the non-aggression principle:

Non-aggression is an ongoing obligation: it is never optional for anyone, even pregnant women. If the non-aggression obligation did not apply, then earning money versus stealing it and consensual sex versus rape would be morally indifferent behaviors. The obligation not to aggress is pre-political and pre-legal. It does not arise out of contract, agreement, or the law; rather, such devices presuppose this obligation. The obligation would exist even in a state of nature. This is because the obligation comes with our human nature, and we acquire this nature at conception.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_perspectives_on_abortion

"PRO-FUCKING LIFE"


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RE: Libertarian - 12/4/2017 3:58:38 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

If you would get his cock out of your mouth long enough, you'd see it.



Wow! You must be very butthurt to start a thread all about me. Am I living in your head, rent-free, there, buddy?

That little snippet I pulled is my real query: I'm assuming you have evidence of that, also or are you just a fucking common liar?





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RE: Libertarian - 12/4/2017 3:59:35 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: bounty44

quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

1.5 Abortion

Recognizing that abortion is a sensitive issue and that people can hold good-faith views on all sides, we believe that government should be kept out of the matter, leaving the question to each person for their conscientious consideration.

PRO FUCKING CHOICE]



whaaaaaaaaat, pro-life libertarians:

because of course the baby has no right to liberty. %(*@&%& idiot.

Libertarians for Life - Official Site

Libertarian and Pro-Life Too

Libertarians for Life

quote:

Opposition to legal abortion[edit]

The anti-abortion libertarian group Libertarians for Life argues that humans in the zygotic, embryonic, and fetal stages of development have the same rights as humans in the neonatal stage and beyond. Doris Gordon of the group notes that the principles of both the U.S. Libertarian Party and Objectivist ethics require some obligation to children and counter with an appeal to the non-aggression principle:

Non-aggression is an ongoing obligation: it is never optional for anyone, even pregnant women. If the non-aggression obligation did not apply, then earning money versus stealing it and consensual sex versus rape would be morally indifferent behaviors. The obligation not to aggress is pre-political and pre-legal. It does not arise out of contract, agreement, or the law; rather, such devices presuppose this obligation. The obligation would exist even in a state of nature. This is because the obligation comes with our human nature, and we acquire this nature at conception.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_perspectives_on_abortion

"PRO-FUCKING LIFE"



Again. These people you are describing are diametrically OPPOSED to one of the major planks of Libertarianism


they are LINOS

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RE: Libertarian - 12/4/2017 4:00:36 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr


quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

If you would get his cock out of your mouth long enough, you'd see it.



Wow! You must be very butthurt to start a thread all about me. Am I living in your head, rent-free, there, buddy?

That little snippet I pulled is my real query: I'm assuming you have evidence of that, also or are you just a fucking common liar?





DISCLAIMER: This post is taken directly from my daily blog.


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Libertarian my ASS

I just like pointing out liars and hypocrites.

You and your circle jerk buddies are such easy targets.

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RE: Libertarian - 12/4/2017 4:01:28 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

quote:

ORIGINAL: bounty44


now just for fun---go ahead and post ALL the evidence in a persuasive essay from the anonymous "hard RW poster" that runs contrary to what you just posted about libertarianism



You mean the VERY pro life poster who calls himself "Mike the Libertarian" on his blog?

If you would get his cock out of your mouth long enough, you'd see it.

by the way, his essays aren't persuasive. Just ludicrous.



just as I expected, an inability to defend your position.

www.theinternet.com doesn't suffice.

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RE: Libertarian - 12/4/2017 4:02:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
I just like pointing out liars and hypocrites.

You and your circle jerk buddies are such easy targets.


So ... that's a "No" on your ability to produce evidence of your lies, again?

Yeah, I thought so.





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RE: Libertarian - 12/4/2017 4:02:12 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: bounty44


quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

quote:

ORIGINAL: bounty44


now just for fun---go ahead and post ALL the evidence in a persuasive essay from the anonymous "hard RW poster" that runs contrary to what you just posted about libertarianism



You mean the VERY pro life poster who calls himself "Mike the Libertarian" on his blog?

If you would get his cock out of your mouth long enough, you'd see it.

by the way, his essays aren't persuasive. Just ludicrous.



just as I expected, an inability to defend your position.

DISCLAIMER: This post is taken directly from my daily blog.


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There's your defense fuckwit.

He calls himself "Michael the Libertarian" and he's about as libertarian as Hillary is honest.


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RE: Libertarian - 12/4/2017 4:03:15 PM   
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ha ha, good one, because you are the sole arbiter of what libertarianism is.

how about actually reading their positions and using the language of libertarianism, refute them.

amazing what a elementary school mind you have.

seriously, are you even an adult?

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RE: Libertarian - 12/4/2017 4:04:08 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr


quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
I just like pointing out liars and hypocrites.

You and your circle jerk buddies are such easy targets.


So ... that's a "No" on your ability to produce evidence of your lies, again?

Yeah, I thought so.





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You're as Libertarian as Hillary is trustworthy

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RE: Libertarian - 12/4/2017 4:06:22 PM   
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quote:

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ha ha, good one, because you are the sole arbiter of what libertarianism is.

how about actually reading their positions and using the language of libertarianism, refute them.

amazing what a elementary school mind you have.

No, fuckwit, the Libertarian party platform is the arbiter of what Libertarianism is. https://www.lp.org/platform/

If you could fucking read, you'd realize just how full of shit you are.

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RE: Libertarian - 12/4/2017 4:07:24 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: bounty44



seriously, are you even an adult?

Seriously, if some RW pundit wasn't fisting you and moving your lips, could you even speak?

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