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BamaD -> Sensible gun control at last. (12/6/2017 9:12:05 AM)

The most important gun control measure to be passed is before Congress.
Before anyone's plans for gun control can work NICS has to be fixed.
The fix isn't that difficult they just don't do it.

Since maybe they worked up the nerve to do something let's do this, add 5
(maybe 10 yr ) to the penalty if a gun is used.

Be more aggressive in prosecuting possession crimes.
Virtually every thug arrested can do time for illegal position,
that is 10 years we won't have to worry about them.

Nation wide recognition of ccws just like marriage license
Currently about to pass the house




servantforuse -> RE: Sensible gun control at last. (12/6/2017 12:08:42 PM)

I agree. Now all we need to do is elect Judges and DA's that are serious in prosecuting gun crimes. No new laws are needed. Enforce the ones already on the books.




BamaD -> RE: Sensible gun control at last. (12/6/2017 1:15:01 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: servantforuse

I agree. Now all we need to do is elect Judges and DA's that are serious in prosecuting gun crimes. No new laws are needed. Enforce the ones already on the books.

Possession of a firearm by a felon = 10 years. that would depopulate Chicago.
We might have to just put a wall around the city ala NY.




MasterDrakk -> RE: Sensible gun control at last. (12/6/2017 1:31:04 PM)

or Alabama, the land of pedophiles.

Yet there are fixes needed to NICS. They have even been discussed and some agreed to by the gun swingers




bounty44 -> RE: Sensible gun control at last. (12/6/2017 1:54:08 PM)

"pedophilia" was one of mnottertroll's favorite themes. if you are indeed him, some things don't change do they?

if youre not, youre a pretty good disgusting imitation.

which is it?




DaddySatyr -> RE: Sensible gun control at last. (12/6/2017 2:03:58 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD

Possession of a firearm by a felon = 10 years. that would depopulate Chicago.


It might cut down on voter fraud there, too.







BamaD -> RE: Sensible gun control at last. (12/6/2017 3:17:43 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr


quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD

Possession of a firearm by a felon = 10 years. that would depopulate Chicago.


It might cut down on voter fraud there, too.





If being dead doesn't stop them being in jail won't.




BamaD -> RE: Sensible gun control at last. (12/6/2017 3:24:51 PM)

FR

Was just reading the post article comments on a news site.
I noticed that the lie that both the Texas and CO. shooters
were "good" guys till they started shooting.
In Tx he only got guns because NICS wasn't filled out properly.
He wasn't able to get the guns legally but the sales person didn't
get that info. My first suggestion would have stopped this.
In Co there was a court order to take his guns that wasn't enforced.
The guns that they did collect were illegal and should have had him
incarcerated instead of out shooting people.




JVoV -> RE: Sensible gun control at last. (12/6/2017 3:32:37 PM)

It helps if you post links. Just sayin.




JVoV -> RE: Sensible gun control at last. (12/6/2017 3:41:51 PM)

FR

I'm binge-watching Boston Legal, which has my all time favorite gun quote in one of the episodes.

"Damn liberals want to take all the guns. Nobody could shoot anybody. Then where the hell would we be?" -Denny Crane (Pro-gun and pro-shooting people attorney)

I think the House bill is a waste of time. There aren't 60 votes in the Senate to get it passed.




kdsub -> RE: Sensible gun control at last. (12/6/2017 4:21:17 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD

The most important gun control measure to be passed is before Congress.
Before anyone's plans for gun control can work NICS has to be fixed.
The fix isn't that difficult they just don't do it.

Since maybe they worked up the nerve to do something let's do this, add 5
(maybe 10 yr ) to the penalty if a gun is used.

Be more aggressive in prosecuting possession crimes.
Virtually every thug arrested can do time for illegal position,
that is 10 years we won't have to worry about them.

Nation wide recognition of ccws just like marriage license
Currently about to pass the house



We can agree here... but are you aware the the Missouri government refuses to give the Federal database information on who is licensed in Missouri to conceal and carry? Why!!! by the way you do know Alaska allows convicted felons to conceal and carry?... do you want those folks carrying guns in your town? Alaska law does not address high-capacity magazines, such as those used by the alleged Arizona shooter. So does that mean LAWS WILL HAVE TO BE CHANGED... or because it is legal in Alaska all states must allow it? Alaska has no waiting period for the purchase of a handgun, rifle or shotgun... just one state...how many different laws are there?... No my friend if your idea is to be implemented then there will have to be new laws along with it to address varying state laws

Butch

ps.... servantforuse got ya




Lucylastic -> RE: Sensible gun control at last. (12/6/2017 4:38:13 PM)

The GOP’s Latest Gun Bill Would Be Catastrophic For Women Fleeing Abuse
A measure before the House this week would force states to recognize concealed carry permits issued elsewhere.

A potential nightmare situation for victims of domestic violence is brewing in the U.S. House, which is expected to vote this week on a bill that would allow many domestic abusers banned from carrying firearms in their home states to obtain concealed carry permits elsewhere.

The bill, from Rep. Richard Hudson (R-N.C.), allows anyone with a permit from one state to carry hidden, loaded firearms into all other states. It would allow people with permits from states with weak permitting rules to carry into states with strict rules, like New York and California. And if a state will issue a concealed carry permit to a nonresident, an applicant could get one and carry the weapon into any other state.

Opponents of the legislation, known as the Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act, warn that it would allow the states with the loosest permitting standards to define the laws of the nation and would undermine states’ rights to protect their own residents.

The National Rifle Association has called this legislation, which is expected to pass in the House, its “highest legislative priority.” It is likely to be the first gun bill to receive a vote since the back-to-back mass shootings in Las Vegas and Sutherland Springs, Texas.

Gun violence experts and victims’ advocates say the legislation is particularly alarming for domestic violence survivors, who are in more danger when their abusers are able to carry hidden firearms.

Under federal law, a person convicted of domestic violence or subject to certain protective orders is not allowed to own firearms. But the law is limited ― it only covers spouses, not dating partners or stalkers ― and dozens of states have passed their own laws that expand on federal legislation in the interest of keeping guns away from abusers.

Currently, each state sets its own rules about who is eligible to carry concealed weapons. In some states, law enforcement can prohibit a person from carrying a concealed gun at their discretion, such as if they believe the applicant lacks good character or doesn’t have a good reason to carry a loaded gun in public. In other states, officials are essentially required to issue a permit to anyone who meets basic requirements, such as passing a background check or completing safety training.

Some states offer significantly more protections to victims of domestic abuse, dating violence and stalking than others. In 28 states, for example, individuals convicted of stalking are not allowed to carry in public. But, as Everytown for Gun Safety counsel Courtney Zale explained to HuffPost, under concealed carry reciprocity, a stalker in one of those states could obtain a permit from Florida, which does not prohibit stalkers and issues permits to nonresidents through the mail. He could then use that permit to carry throughout the country.

In another example, an abuser who is convicted of sexually assaulting his girlfriend cannot currently legally carry a concealed firearm in Massachusetts. But under this bill, he could obtain a permit from nearby New Hampshire ― which issues permits to nonresidents and does not consider that offense prohibitory ― and carry his firearm back into his home state.

In 25 states and Washington, D.C., law enforcement can deny individuals a concealed carry permit if they have a history of red flags, such as repeated domestic disturbances. Under concealed carry reciprocity, a person could bypass state rules by applying for a permit from a state with less stringent standards.

Ruth Glenn, executive director for the National Coalition Against Domestic Violence, said the House measure would effectively “zero out” countless state laws designed to protect victims of abuse. A person who is banned from carrying guns in his home state because of domestic violence could just apply for a permit from another state where he is still eligible because of more permissive laws, she said.

“The efforts that some states have made will be for naught,” Glenn said. “Domestic abusers are very crafty. If we think they don’t know about these laws and ways around them, we are sadly mistaken.”

If a woman in the U.S. is a victim of gun violence, it’s usually because of domestic abuse. More than half of women killed with guns in the U.S. between 2010 and 2014 were killed by intimate partners or family members. The research on this topic is unambiguous: Firearms make abusive relationships more dangerous. If abusers have access to guns, victims are five times more likely to be killed.

Even when they are not being used to kill and maim women, guns are often deployed as a tactic to control and terrorize victims. In addition, most mass shootings in the U.S. involve a male perpetrator targeting a family member or intimate partner.

Kim Gandy, president of the National Network to End Domestic Violence, said that when survivors relocate to escape their abusers, they often take into consideration a state’s firearms protections.

“Imagine fleeing to another state where you believe your abuser won’t be able to carry a gun, and then finding out that Congress says that he can bring his gun with him ― and he can hide it,” she said.

Susan B. Sorenson, a gun violence researcher at the University of Pennsylvania, said the House bill could endanger lives. There’s some evidence to back that up: A recent study published in the American Journal of Public Health found that states with weaker concealed carry laws were associated with 10.6 percent higher handgun homicide rates.

“If this law gets passed, it will be the state with the easiest permit requirements that will define the permitting requirements for every state,” said Adam Winkler, a gun policy expert and law professor at UCLA. “A state that is willing to give permits to people with a history of domestic violence will undermine the laws of many other states that are trying to restrict abusers.”








JVoV -> RE: Sensible gun control at last. (12/6/2017 4:43:40 PM)

The House is up for re-election every two years. May as well go as crazy as they can before they're kicked to the curb.




BamaD -> RE: Sensible gun control at last. (12/6/2017 5:22:14 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: kdsub

quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD

The most important gun control measure to be passed is before Congress.
Before anyone's plans for gun control can work NICS has to be fixed.
The fix isn't that difficult they just don't do it.

Since maybe they worked up the nerve to do something let's do this, add 5
(maybe 10 yr ) to the penalty if a gun is used.

Be more aggressive in prosecuting possession crimes.
Virtually every thug arrested can do time for illegal position,
that is 10 years we won't have to worry about them.

Nation wide recognition of ccws just like marriage license
Currently about to pass the house



We can agree here... but are you aware the the Missouri government refuses to give the Federal database information on who is licensed in Missouri to conceal and carry? Why!!! by the way you do know Alaska allows convicted felons to conceal and carry?... do you want those folks carrying guns in your town? Alaska law does not address high-capacity magazines, such as those used by the alleged Arizona shooter. So does that mean LAWS WILL HAVE TO BE CHANGED... or because it is legal in Alaska all states must allow it? Alaska has no waiting period for the purchase of a handgun, rifle or shotgun... just one state...how many different laws are there?... No my friend if your idea is to be implemented then there will have to be new laws along with it to address varying state laws

Butch

ps.... servantforuse got ya

So you are claiming Alaska ignores Federal Law?
That is a separate issue that will need to be addressed, if true.
Comes under enforce already existing law.
Are you sure that it doesn't come under restoration of rights?
Without something like that it is a felony for a felon to posses a
firearm , 10 years in prison.




kdsub -> RE: Sensible gun control at last. (12/6/2017 5:24:41 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD


quote:

ORIGINAL: kdsub

quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD

The most important gun control measure to be passed is before Congress.
Before anyone's plans for gun control can work NICS has to be fixed.
The fix isn't that difficult they just don't do it.

Since maybe they worked up the nerve to do something let's do this, add 5
(maybe 10 yr ) to the penalty if a gun is used.

Be more aggressive in prosecuting possession crimes.
Virtually every thug arrested can do time for illegal position,
that is 10 years we won't have to worry about them.

Nation wide recognition of ccws just like marriage license
Currently about to pass the house



We can agree here... but are you aware the the Missouri government refuses to give the Federal database information on who is licensed in Missouri to conceal and carry? Why!!! by the way you do know Alaska allows convicted felons to conceal and carry?... do you want those folks carrying guns in your town? Alaska law does not address high-capacity magazines, such as those used by the alleged Arizona shooter. So does that mean LAWS WILL HAVE TO BE CHANGED... or because it is legal in Alaska all states must allow it? Alaska has no waiting period for the purchase of a handgun, rifle or shotgun... just one state...how many different laws are there?... No my friend if your idea is to be implemented then there will have to be new laws along with it to address varying state laws

Butch

ps.... servantforuse got ya

So you are claiming Alaska ignores Federal Law?
That is a separate issue that will need to be addressed, if true.
Comes under enforce already existing law.
Are you sure that it doesn't come under restoration of rights?
Without something like that it is a felony for a felon to posses a
firearm , 10 years in prison.


I agree with most of what you are saying... I just wanted to point out it may not be wise to allow some registered gun owners to possess guns in your state... unless laws were changed not just enforced.

Go ahead and search for Alaska's laws... a felon may own a firearm after 10 years...for instance.... they can have mags with a thousand rounds if they can figure out how to do it... In Alaska they is no waiting for a background check... out the door you go. In Alaska there is no proper registration or permit required to possess a firearm.




BamaD -> RE: Sensible gun control at last. (12/6/2017 5:24:52 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: kdsub

quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD

The most important gun control measure to be passed is before Congress.
Before anyone's plans for gun control can work NICS has to be fixed.
The fix isn't that difficult they just don't do it.

Since maybe they worked up the nerve to do something let's do this, add 5
(maybe 10 yr ) to the penalty if a gun is used.

Be more aggressive in prosecuting possession crimes.
Virtually every thug arrested can do time for illegal position,
that is 10 years we won't have to worry about them.

Nation wide recognition of ccws just like marriage license
Currently about to pass the house



We can agree here... but are you aware the the Missouri government refuses to give the Federal database information on who is licensed in Missouri to conceal and carry? Why!!! by the way you do know Alaska allows convicted felons to conceal and carry?... do you want those folks carrying guns in your town? Alaska law does not address high-capacity magazines, such as those used by the alleged Arizona shooter. So does that mean LAWS WILL HAVE TO BE CHANGED... or because it is legal in Alaska all states must allow it? Alaska has no waiting period for the purchase of a handgun, rifle or shotgun... just one state...how many different laws are there?... No my friend if your idea is to be implemented then there will have to be new laws along with it to address varying state laws

Butch

ps.... servantforuse got ya

We don't have an artificial waiting period either, lots of states don't.
What are you leaving out.




BamaD -> RE: Sensible gun control at last. (12/6/2017 5:27:00 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: kdsub

quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD


quote:

ORIGINAL: kdsub

quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD

The most important gun control measure to be passed is before Congress.
Before anyone's plans for gun control can work NICS has to be fixed.
The fix isn't that difficult they just don't do it.

Since maybe they worked up the nerve to do something let's do this, add 5
(maybe 10 yr ) to the penalty if a gun is used.

Be more aggressive in prosecuting possession crimes.
Virtually every thug arrested can do time for illegal position,
that is 10 years we won't have to worry about them.

Nation wide recognition of ccws just like marriage license
Currently about to pass the house



We can agree here... but are you aware the the Missouri government refuses to give the Federal database information on who is licensed in Missouri to conceal and carry? Why!!! by the way you do know Alaska allows convicted felons to conceal and carry?... do you want those folks carrying guns in your town? Alaska law does not address high-capacity magazines, such as those used by the alleged Arizona shooter. So does that mean LAWS WILL HAVE TO BE CHANGED... or because it is legal in Alaska all states must allow it? Alaska has no waiting period for the purchase of a handgun, rifle or shotgun... just one state...how many different laws are there?... No my friend if your idea is to be implemented then there will have to be new laws along with it to address varying state laws

Butch

ps.... servantforuse got ya

So you are claiming Alaska ignores Federal Law?
That is a separate issue that will need to be addressed, if true.
Comes under enforce already existing law.
Are you sure that it doesn't come under restoration of rights?
Without something like that it is a felony for a felon to posses a
firearm , 10 years in prison.


I agree with most of what you are saying... I just wanted to point out it may not be wise to allow some registered gun owners to possess guns in your state... unless laws were changed not just enforced.

As I pointed out unless your information is flawed there are already law that cover this.




kdsub -> RE: Sensible gun control at last. (12/6/2017 5:31:33 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD



As I pointed out unless your information is flawed there are already law that cover this.



Whos law? that is Alaska LAW... states rights ya know




kdsub -> RE: Sensible gun control at last. (12/6/2017 5:35:24 PM)

I'm not saying there cannot be a law that requires states to honor all others states gun laws... but it would not be sensible law as you say... at least that part of what you are proposing. The rest is just fine

Butch




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