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Lucylastic -> RE: Furious Palestinians burn American flags (1/9/2018 5:29:12 PM)
all the time you ignore white american terrorists in the usa.

BoscoX -> RE: Furious Palestinians burn American flags (1/9/2018 5:39:09 PM)
It's okay though because of something ridiculous about "white terrorists" or something [:D] (Every thread is all about moi... [:)]) Saudi police arrest "everyone involved" after gay wedding video showed two men being sprayed with confetti Isn't it the same in most every Muslim nation And the situation for women isn't much better

Lucylastic -> RE: Furious Palestinians burn American flags (1/9/2018 5:54:26 PM)
do you think you are making a point? not even close, its simple repetition grunting "mooselambs scare me"

BoscoX -> RE: Furious Palestinians burn American flags (1/9/2018 5:56:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic do you think you are making a point? not even close, its simple repetition grunting "mooselambs scare me" Don't you love how leftists pretend to stand up for women and gays Against slavery and fascism Hilarious They're morons, one and all. They stand for nothing, they are totally lost Each and every one of them

Lucylastic -> RE: Furious Palestinians burn American flags (1/9/2018 5:58:24 PM)
you sound like a "leftist" (your descriptions of) more with every post. such a man baby

BoscoX -> RE: Furious Palestinians burn American flags (1/9/2018 6:11:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic you sound like a "leftist" (your descriptions of) more with every post. such a man baby Try using all caps the next time the best "debate" you have is to try to make a thread personal. All you need to make your mindless trollishness complete [;)]

Lucylastic -> RE: Furious Palestinians burn American flags (1/9/2018 6:15:04 PM)
im not debating you, its not worth the finger oil im describing you

BoscoX -> RE: Furious Palestinians burn American flags (1/9/2018 6:17:04 PM)
Exactly. I am the topic. Because you are a troll. [:)]

BoscoX -> RE: Furious Palestinians burn American flags (1/9/2018 6:36:34 PM)
Back to the real topic... Video - Muslim leader in North Carolina of Friday, quoting Muhammad, calls on Muslims to destroy Jews https://www.memri.org/tv/north-carolina-antisemitic-sermon-abdullah-khadra-haifa-acre-jaffa-muslim-land (How surprising) (Totally shocking)

Lucylastic -> RE: Furious Palestinians burn American flags (1/9/2018 6:46:40 PM)
oh, im trolling, yep, I am, lol and you are biting like a starving piranha. chow down

BoscoX -> RE: Furious Palestinians burn American flags (1/9/2018 7:09:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic oh, im trolling, yep, I am, lol and you are biting like a starving piranha. chow down All you ever do... But that's okay, stay proud. Pretend you are destroying me in your cartoonish delusions It's all good [:)]

MasterJaguar01 -> RE: Furious Palestinians burn American flags (1/9/2018 7:40:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle quote: ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01 I am not sure why this debate continues... 1. Yes you are right. The Quran preaches violence to infidels, and non-believers... Not to mention it's less than stellar recognition of womens rights. 2. Not all Muslims take the Quarn literally, and rebel against a literal interpretation, and the associated violence. 3. Some muslims on the other hand, most certainly do take the Quran literally 4. My own faith: Deuteronomy lists Hebrew laws which include the sacrificing animals, staying away from menstruating women, owning of slaves, and in Leviticus says to stone homosexuals. Not all Jews take 100% of that literally Yes. Of course. An examination of the Bible and Christian beliefs will reveal the same enormous gap between the founding text of the religion and the way the religion is practiced today by its adherents. For instance sections of the Bible advocate enslaving one's enemies and recount several instances of this happening, something that (I hope!) all Christians today would find abhorrent. The reason why the 'debate' continues is down to the obstinate obsessive Islamophobia of (in the main) one individual who insists that somehow Islam is different from all other religions and that the written text is followed literally and scrupulously by its adherents. This individual's hate is so obsessive that it blinds him to the absurdity of his claims, effectively fact-proofing him. As someone else noted, his obsessive hate is one fixed point in an otherwise ever-changing universe. I disagree here. I can tell you that I disagree with my good friend BoscoX about 99.9999999999% of the time. (On that, I think he and I agree) However, I would argue, BoscoX is not claiming that all Muslims are strict adherents to the most violent parts of the Quran (and that belief is driven by a deep Islamaphobia and hatred). Rather, he is correctly pointing out, that it is more common, at least in modern times, that a majority of muslims (in a particular country, perhaps not as individuals worldwide) support Islamic fundamentalism (sharia law, genocide against non-believers, etc.), than majorities of other faiths. If I am misquoting him or misrepresenting his position, he is free to correct me. I would say, look at all the Muslim theocracies that exist all over the world. Can you point to a religious theocracy of any other faith anywhere else? (Except for the Vatican). Of course many of these theocracies assumed power through violent coups. (Some were just corrupt). If there were not majority support for these violent and brutal groups, their coups would have toppled within months. I think Iran is a great test case as support for the theocracy has subsided to a minority. Let's see what happens there. I would definitely say that Roy Moore and Rick Santorum are two people who would like to see one in the US. (But they both lost)

BoscoX -> RE: Furious Palestinians burn American flags (1/10/2018 7:38:53 AM)
My position is that the Islamic ideology (cult) is akin to Naziism in that after studying the facts and the history, any sane person should find it abhorrent. Their book and their teachings, based on Muhammad's words and deeds very clearly demand theocracy, terroristic violence, misogyny, fascism... Pushes slavery... And significant numbers of Muslim cult followers engage in all of those pursuits today, exactly as they have done since the time of Muhammad. No others are like that, especially not on a global scale. The best Muslim apologists can do is compare them with medieval Christians or point to ancient Hebrew writings which were abrogated long ago... And deliberately ignore that Jesus' teachings specifically prohibit any form of violence Like Muslims, there were certainly many Nazis who were very nice, harmless, even charming people. Old women, very young children, you name it. But the Islamic ideology is totally unacceptable, and no thinking person would in their right mind suggest they are exactly the same as every other people because of their ideology. It's an ancient death cult that still preaches and practices the old barbaric ways that the rest of the world has outlawed, prohibited, condemned and actively prosecute Well, except perhaps for socialists.

MasterJaguar01 -> RE: Furious Palestinians burn American flags (1/11/2018 4:58:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX My position is that the Islamic ideology (cult) is akin to Naziism in that after studying the facts and the history, any sane person should find it abhorrent. Their book and their teachings, based on Muhammad's words and deeds very clearly demand theocracy, terroristic violence, misogyny, fascism... Pushes slavery... And significant numbers of Muslim cult followers engage in all of those pursuits today, exactly as they have done since the time of Muhammad. No others are like that, especially not on a global scale. The best Muslim apologists can do is compare them with medieval Christians or point to ancient Hebrew writings which were abrogated long ago... And deliberately ignore that Jesus' teachings specifically prohibit any form of violence Like Muslims, there were certainly many Nazis who were very nice, harmless, even charming people. Old women, very young children, you name it. But the Islamic ideology is totally unacceptable, and no thinking person would in their right mind suggest they are exactly the same as every other people because of their ideology. It's an ancient death cult that still preaches and practices the old barbaric ways that the rest of the world has outlawed, prohibited, condemned and actively prosecute Well, except perhaps for socialists. Oh :(

tweakabelle -> RE: Furious Palestinians burn American flags (1/11/2018 5:16:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX The best Muslim apologists can do is compare them with medieval Christians or point to ancient Hebrew writings which were abrogated long ago... ... except that those same writings (eg Deuteronomy) are regularly used to justify Christian persecution of queers today. The ancient texts were not "abrogated long ago" but are subject to the same cherry picking processes that characterise the relationship between believers and their foundation texts in most religions. quote: And [Muslim apologists] deliberately ignore that Jesus' teachings specifically prohibit any form of violence ...as Christians have done consistently for the last 2,000 years. The historical record is quite clear - the most violent religion. over the past two millenia has been Christianity. I am unaware of any Christian society, currently or historically, which has observed the founder's prohibition of violence. Even the 'pacifist' Quakers produced Nixon, who was by no means a model of pacifism ... Adherents of all religions pick and choose which bits of the foundation texts of their preferred religion they choose to follow and choose to overlook or ignore. Therefore the assertion that any given religion can be accurately and fairly assessed on the basis of its foundation text alone is not a valid or useful method of assessing either the religion itself or the behaviour of that religion's adherents, unless one has an agenda that needs advancing. Bosco's Islamophobia is precisely one such agenda, an agenda that blinds Bosco to the absurdity of his hysterical claims about Islam.

PeonForHer -> RE: Furious Palestinians burn American flags (1/11/2018 5:27:27 AM)
quote: Adherents of all religions pick and choose which bits of the foundation texts of their preferred religion they choose to follow and choose to overlook or ignore. Therefore the assertion that any given religion can be accurately and fairly assessed on the basis of its foundation text alone is not a valid or useful method of assessing either the religion itself or the behaviour of that religion's adherents. Copy and paste that bit into a .doc on your pc, Tweak. It'll save you having to write it out at least fifteen times in every thread on the subject in which Bosco's involved. ;-)

MasterJaguar01 -> RE: Furious Palestinians burn American flags (1/11/2018 5:54:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX The best Muslim apologists can do is compare them with medieval Christians or point to ancient Hebrew writings which were abrogated long ago... ... except that those same writings (eg Deuteronomy) are regularly used to justify Christian persecution of queers today. The ancient texts were not "abrogated long ago" but are subject to the same cherry picking processes that characterise the relationship between believers and their foundation texts in most religions. Those same writings were used in the US in the 19th century to justify slavery. quote: quote: And [Muslim apologists] deliberately ignore that Jesus' teachings specifically prohibit any form of violence ...as Christians have done consistently for the last 2,000 years. The historical record is quite clear - the most violent religion. over the past two millenia has been Christianity. I am not sure that is true. Islam gives Christianity a run for its money here. quote: I am unaware of any Christian society, currently or historically, which has observed the founder's prohibition of violence. Even the 'pacifist' Quakers produced Nixon, who was by no means a model of pacifism ... Adherents of all religions pick and choose which bits of the foundation texts of their preferred religion they choose to follow and choose to overlook or ignore. Therefore the assertion that any given religion can be accurately and fairly assessed on the basis of its foundation text alone is not a valid or useful method of assessing either the religion itself or the behaviour of that religion's adherents, unless one has an agenda that needs advancing. This is profoundly true. Modern Christianity as created by the Romans (as opposed to true Christianity, which is the teachings of Jesus Christ) cherry picks laws in Deuteronomy and Leviticus. My own faith, even in the Orthodox flavor, picks and chooses laws from Deuteronomy and Leviticus. quote: Bosco's Islamophobia is precisely one such agenda, an agenda that blinds Bosco to the absurdity of his hysterical claims about Islam. I will disagree with BoscoX's assertion that Islam is a death cult. To do so, would then obligate one to label Christianity and Judaism the same. I will say, however, that in the 20th and 21st centuries, the violence created by Islamic fundamentalists far surpasses the violence of fundamentalists of any other faith.

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