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RE: Didn't a couple of Islamic nutcases plot to kill th... - 12/7/2017 3:58:12 PM   
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False analogy, that, Greta: not all white folk are white supremacists and not all moslems are jihadists, but you're talking like one bunch are.

All Muslims are Jihadists.

Fighting Jihad has two methods.

1) Fund it via donation financially and stay out of actual action which majority does through their mosque and various "Muslim Charities".

2) Actual action

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RE: Didn't a couple of Islamic nutcases plot to kill th... - 12/7/2017 4:41:31 PM   
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False analogy, that, Greta: not all white folk are white supremacists and not all moslems are jihadists, but you're talking like one bunch are.

All Muslims are Jihadists.

Fighting Jihad has two methods.

1) Fund it via donation financially and stay out of actual action which majority does through their mosque and various "Muslim Charities".

2) Actual action


There's no point in saying things like that, Greta. Awareness is already married.


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RE: Didn't a couple of Islamic nutcases plot to kill th... - 12/7/2017 5:23:08 PM   
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There's no point in saying things like that, Greta. Awareness is already married.

I don't think Awareness is my type. If you haven't figured out my type.

I am attracted only to nice guys.

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RE: Didn't a couple of Islamic nutcases plot to kill th... - 12/7/2017 6:24:44 PM   
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False analogy, that, Greta: not all white folk are white supremacists and not all moslems are jihadists, but you're talking like one bunch are.

All Muslims are Jihadists.

Fighting Jihad has two methods.

1) Fund it via donation financially and stay out of actual action which majority does through their mosque and various "Muslim Charities".

2) Actual action


You do of course know that jihad doesn't only refer to holy war but that the word was appropriated last century to only mean holy war?

"The concept of jihad has been hijacked by many political and religious groups over the ages in a bid to justify various forms of violence. In most cases, Islamic splinter groups invoked jihad to fight against the established Islamic order. Scholars say this misuse of jihad contradicts Islam."

Source http://islamicsupremecouncil.org/understanding-islam/legal-rulings/5-jihad-a-misunderstood-concept-from-islam.html?start=9

To say that all Muslims are jihadis is technically correct but only in the sense that all Muslims are encouraged to internal jihad, referred to by the Prophet as the "greater jihad".

"The five Pillars of Islam form an exercise of Jihad in this sense, since a Muslim gets closer to Allah by performing them.

Other ways in which a Muslim engages in the 'greater Jihad' could include:

Learning the Qur'an by heart, or engage in other religious study.
Overcoming things such as anger, greed, hatred, pride, or malice.
Giving up smoking.
Cleaning the floor of the mosque.
Taking part in Muslim community activities.
Working for social justice.
Forgiving someone who has hurt them."

Source http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/islam/beliefs/jihad_1.shtml

Jihad in the literal sense of the word means struggling or striving and all Muslims are expected to do that, in a very similar way that Christians and Buddhists are expected to try to become better people by being less bitter, hateful and greedy and by forgiving others.


Incidentally the Qur'an is very specific about what constitutes a just war.

"A military Jihad has to obey very strict rules in order to be legitimate.

The opponent must always have started the fighting.
It must not be fought to gain territory.
It must be launched by a religious leader.
It must be fought to bring about good - something that Allah will approve of.
Every other way of solving the problem must be tried before resorting to war.
Innocent people should not be killed.
Women, children, or old people should not be killed or hurt.
Women must not be raped.
Enemies must be treated with justice.
Wounded enemy soldiers must be treated in exactly the same way as one's own soldiers.
The war must stop as soon as the enemy asks for peace.
Property must not be damaged.
Poisoning wells is forbidden. The modern analogy would be chemical or biological warfare."

Apart from the use of the word Allah, the Muslim concept of a just war looks far more like the Geneva Convention than a justification of religious violence, and was written many years prior to that. The attempt to define just war is very modern and would not be out of place in twentieth or twenty first humanist concepts.

In terms of attitudes towards other faiths, The Qur'an also refers to Christians and Jews as "people of the book" who should be protected and respected, bearing in mind that Allah and God are regarded as the same person - Arabic Christians and Muslims both use the word Allah, Jews use the word Yahweh and Europeans Christians refer to God.


The point in all of this is that we have popularised the word jihad to mean violent, sometimes inhuman, acts often perpetrated by extremists on non-Muslims, including innocent non-combatants like the general public or women and children. This totally contrary to the Qur'an.

What extremists and splinter groups do in the name of Islam and jihad is not what the Qur'an teaches about jihad.

In other news, Christianity cannot be used to condone actions carried out by Christians such as the actions of Northern Irish terrorists during the Struggles, the Holocaust, the recent mass shootings in American or ethnic cleansing in Bosnia, just as the teachings of the Buddha do not support the murder and terrorisation of the Rohingya in Myanmar.

The problem is terrorism not religion. Where religion is used to justify acts of terror, it is a misrepresentation of religion for political ends.

On the flip side using criminal acts of some adherents of a faith to justify demonisation of that faith is also a misrepresentation of religion for political ends.

Those of us who refuse to demonise Muslims are not siding with the terrorists, nor do we necessarily agree with all or any of the teachings that make up the Qur'an. We are siding with our communities (of all faiths and no faith) against the real criminals.

Anti-terrorist, not anti-Muslim. Couldn't be clearer.

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RE: Didn't a couple of Islamic nutcases plot to kill th... - 12/8/2017 3:16:19 AM   
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Oh dear
A white lady sent explosives to obama, what is your point????
Im pretty sure you were conceived thru anal sex Awareness, its the only way to be such an utter assbutt


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RE: Didn't a couple of Islamic nutcases plot to kill th... - 12/8/2017 3:20:49 AM   
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Incidentally the Qur'an is very specific about what constitutes a just war.

"A military Jihad has to obey very strict rules in order to be legitimate.

The opponent must always have started the fighting.
It must not be fought to gain territory.
It must be launched by a religious leader.
It must be fought to bring about good - something that Allah will approve of.
Every other way of solving the problem must be tried before resorting to war.
Innocent people should not be killed.
Women, children, or old people should not be killed or hurt.
Women must not be raped.
Enemies must be treated with justice.
Wounded enemy soldiers must be treated in exactly the same way as one's own soldiers.
The war must stop as soon as the enemy asks for peace.
Property must not be damaged.
Poisoning wells is forbidden. The modern analogy would be chemical or biological warfare."



Dude seriously. Islam is started by Muhammad right? Yet he attacked Mecca despite Mecca folks wanting to talk and not fight, and then he conquered Mecca.

ALL BECAUSE, allies of Mecca robbed his allies.

Just some bullshit excuse to conquer another city.

He made up this rules, but he certainly is a cunning one who knows how to make up rules to suit himself to start wars and hypocritically disobey his own rules too when it suits him.

The originated of Islam is the role model and we can just look at his actions to form conclusions of what this religion is about.

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RE: Didn't a couple of Islamic nutcases plot to kill th... - 12/8/2017 5:20:23 AM   
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The part of the Koran that was written earlier extolls peace. It was written when the cult was weak and outnumbered

The later part, written after the cult had gained the upper hand, demands savagery from Mohammad's cult members

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RE: Didn't a couple of Islamic nutcases plot to kill th... - 12/8/2017 5:26:27 AM   
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That part of the Koran that was written earlier extolls peace. It was written when the cult was weak and outnumbered

The later part, written after the cult had gained the upper hand, demands savagery from Mohammad's cult members

Basically the worst thing is, it is very clear in the Quran that Mohammad himself broke his own rules. Probably why he made up that abrogation thingy to justify why he broke his own rules.

If there was like no one clearer book that was just written by a power hungry warlord to suit his own ambitions. That's the Quran.

After all, literally the content of the entire Quran is from Muhammad.


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RE: Didn't a couple of Islamic nutcases plot to kill th... - 12/8/2017 6:43:35 PM   
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Incidentally the Qur'an is very specific about what constitutes a just war.

"A military Jihad has to obey very strict rules in order to be legitimate.

The opponent must always have started the fighting.
It must not be fought to gain territory.
It must be launched by a religious leader.
It must be fought to bring about good - something that Allah will approve of.
Every other way of solving the problem must be tried before resorting to war.
Innocent people should not be killed.
Women, children, or old people should not be killed or hurt.
Women must not be raped.
Enemies must be treated with justice.
Wounded enemy soldiers must be treated in exactly the same way as one's own soldiers.
The war must stop as soon as the enemy asks for peace.
Property must not be damaged.
Poisoning wells is forbidden. The modern analogy would be chemical or biological warfare."



Dude seriously. Islam is started by Muhammad right? Yet he attacked Mecca despite Mecca folks wanting to talk and not fight, and then he conquered Mecca.

ALL BECAUSE, allies of Mecca robbed his allies.

Just some bullshit excuse to conquer another city.

He made up this rules, but he certainly is a cunning one who knows how to make up rules to suit himself to start wars and hypocritically disobey his own rules too when it suits him.

The originated of Islam is the role model and we can just look at his actions to form conclusions of what this religion is about.


Do you ever read anything with an open mind?

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RE: Didn't a couple of Islamic nutcases plot to kill th... - 12/11/2017 5:29:13 AM   
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You know, A, there are other people on this forum you might want to talk to. You also have a wife. This is becoming a little embarrassing, sport.
You have around 20 thousand posts - I have less than four . You might want to learn how to count before accusing someone of spending too much time in this forum.

Besides.... with your submissive weakness, don't you have a life filled with gorgeous 'Dommes' all just frothing at the mouth? Doesn't that keep you too busy to spout weakness and appeasement of Islamic terror in this forum?

Didn't think that one through, did you.

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RE: Didn't a couple of Islamic nutcases plot to kill th... - 12/11/2017 5:30:28 AM   
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Well after Trump have proudly announce himself siding with Israel. I guess alot of Muslims will be targeting to assassinate him now more than ever.

That's the way of violent religions.

I wonder why Muslims are trying to kill a Female British PM. May has been rather non-antagonistic towards them haven't she?
But... but.... Islam is "the religion of peace" don't you know. The fact that it's responsible for more war and terror than any other nation or culture in history is just an accident!


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RE: Didn't a couple of Islamic nutcases plot to kill th... - 12/11/2017 5:31:10 AM   
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You're in there, peon, but make sure he buys you a meal first.


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RE: Didn't a couple of Islamic nutcases plot to kill th... - 12/11/2017 5:38:15 AM   
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Even Boris Johnson said today that Islamic terrorism poses no existential threat to the UK.
Isn't this the same Boris Johnson that you and others accused of being a complete buffoon?

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Far more people every year were killed each year in Europe by terrorists in the 1970s than are being killed now.

It's not that there is no threat or that we are not taking the threat very seriously - that's why people are being tracked and arrested - but you have to get it into some kind of proportion. The deaths we have had in this country are tragedies for those involved and call for the best policing and intelligence.
Do you even understand what terrorism is and what it hopes to achieve? Christ, how naive can you get.

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Anti-terrorist yes. Anti-muslim no.
I have no problem with Muslims, provided they're prepared to renounce the terror gospel of the Quran.

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This is the UK and not Syria. Pretending that we face the same threat as people in Iraq and Afghanistan would be disproportionate compared to those who have truly had to contend with a very real existential threat to their whole way of life.
No, this is terrorist activity, not a war - but with idiots urging complacency, how long do you think it's going to take before regular bombings become a way of life in a country that is both infested with - and complacent towards - Islamic terrorists.

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Sowing the seeds of community mistrust and hatred is exactly what the terrorists want to do. I live and work alongside muslims every day of my life. They are no threat to me, any more than being Irish was a threat in the 1970s and 1980s.
Why? Because you can identify "the good ones"? That's about as patriarchal and arrogant an attitude as it's possible to have.

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People like to have a focus for their hatred of the other. Hating and/or distrusting all muslims in your community is exactly what the terrorist organisations want to encourage by high profile attacks. We don't have to succumb to this, especially when the vast majority of muslims in the UK deplore Islamic terrorism as much as any other Brit.
Check out some of the curricula in Islamic schools before you talk about teaching hatred of the other.

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Do you feel very threatened by muslims, Awareness? I thought you were a hard-man.
*snigger* That's about as transparent and pathetic as it's possible to be. Do you seriously think I can be manipulated by a workmanlike intelligence such as yours? Good grief, you overrate yourself badly.

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Or, just like Mr Trump, do you just enjoy bashing a much reduced ex-colonial power, who also poses no threat to you or your way of life?
Islam is fundamentally violent and imperialist. The refusal to accept this on the basis that doing so constitutes racism is the kind of naive stupid leftism which gets people killed. You're quite happy to do so provided you don't reap the consequences of such stupidity. I suspect your world-view would become a more realistic one if your life was touched by Islamic violence.


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RE: Didn't a couple of Islamic nutcases plot to kill th... - 12/11/2017 5:41:00 AM   
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False analogy, that, Greta: not all white folk are white supremacists and not all moslems are jihadists, but you're talking like one bunch are.

All Muslims are Jihadists.

Fighting Jihad has two methods.

1) Fund it via donation financially and stay out of actual action which majority does through their mosque and various "Muslim Charities".

2) Actual action


You do of course know that jihad doesn't only refer to holy war but that the word was appropriated last century to only mean holy war?
You're a fucking idiot. "Jihad of the sword" was established around 8th century AD. Islam has been doing this for over a thousand years.

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RE: Didn't a couple of Islamic nutcases plot to kill th... - 12/11/2017 5:43:17 AM   
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The part of the Koran that was written earlier extolls peace. It was written when the cult was weak and outnumbered

The later part, written after the cult had gained the upper hand, demands savagery from Mohammad's cult members
Exactly. The sword verses trump the earlier verses of peace because they were written later.

What's interesting is that leftists seem unable to identify Islamic propaganda. Despite the fact that a cultural war is being fought, they remain defenseless. It would be tragic if there weren't so many of them.

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RE: Didn't a couple of Islamic nutcases plot to kill th... - 12/11/2017 5:43:50 AM   
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Do you even understand what terrorism is and what it hopes to achieve? Christ, how naive can you get.

No Brits have never had terrorism happen to them.
not once since the war, terrorism is unknown to the island


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RE: Didn't a couple of Islamic nutcases plot to kill th... - 12/11/2017 5:44:21 AM   
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Incidentally the Qur'an is very specific about what constitutes a just war.

"A military Jihad has to obey very strict rules in order to be legitimate.

The opponent must always have started the fighting.
It must not be fought to gain territory.
It must be launched by a religious leader.
It must be fought to bring about good - something that Allah will approve of.
Every other way of solving the problem must be tried before resorting to war.
Innocent people should not be killed.
Women, children, or old people should not be killed or hurt.
Women must not be raped.
Enemies must be treated with justice.
Wounded enemy soldiers must be treated in exactly the same way as one's own soldiers.
The war must stop as soon as the enemy asks for peace.
Property must not be damaged.
Poisoning wells is forbidden. The modern analogy would be chemical or biological warfare."



Dude seriously. Islam is started by Muhammad right? Yet he attacked Mecca despite Mecca folks wanting to talk and not fight, and then he conquered Mecca.

ALL BECAUSE, allies of Mecca robbed his allies.

Just some bullshit excuse to conquer another city.

He made up this rules, but he certainly is a cunning one who knows how to make up rules to suit himself to start wars and hypocritically disobey his own rules too when it suits him.

The originated of Islam is the role model and we can just look at his actions to form conclusions of what this religion is about.


Do you ever read anything with an open mind?
Nobody should have a mind so open their fucking brain falls out.


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RE: Didn't a couple of Islamic nutcases plot to kill th... - 12/11/2017 5:46:07 AM   
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You're in there, peon, but make sure he buys you a meal first.

Ten thousand posts since re-registering in 2016 - Christ, you're even more obsessive than Peon.

"Whoremods" - What a whiny little bitch. Waaahhhhh the mods, the mods!


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RE: Didn't a couple of Islamic nutcases plot to kill th... - 12/11/2017 5:53:38 AM   
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People like to have a focus for their hatred of the other. Hating and/or distrusting all muslims in your community is exactly what the terrorist organisations want to encourage by high profile attacks. We don't have to succumb to this, especially when the vast majority of muslims in the UK deplore Islamic terrorism as much as any other Brit.
Check out some of the curricula in Islamic schools before you talk about teaching hatred of the other.



She is alarmed that the United States is placing a building where Muslims don't want it, because their infamous tendency toward fanatical and terroristic violence scares her

While at the same time she preaches about how safe she feels around them...


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RE: Didn't a couple of Islamic nutcases plot to kill th... - 12/11/2017 5:59:26 AM   
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Do you even understand what terrorism is and what it hopes to achieve? Christ, how naive can you get.

No Brits have never had terrorism happen to them.
not once since the war, terrorism is unknown to the island



While the rest of the world has outlawed the specific targeting of women and children and civilians generally, Islam embraces it because that is exactly what Mohammed taught. And not just targeting them, but slaughtering them and torturing them to death in the most horrific ways imaginable

But go on pretending in your cartoonish delusions that everyone who goes to war is terroristic exactly like the Muslim cult is terroristic

It is okay, we have come to expect nothing better of your kind



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