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RE: Why are conservative such hypocrites with sexual ab... - 12/7/2017 10:53:27 PM

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Nope. In testimony for the Paula Jones case, Broaddrick recanted the rape allegations. I just found a story from the time.

https://www.thenation.com/article/re-juanita-broaddrick/

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RE: Why are conservative such hypocrites with sexual ab... - 12/7/2017 10:58:33 PM

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Nope. In testimony for the Paula Jones case, Broaddrick recanted the rape allegations. I just found a story from the time.

https://www.thenation.com/article/re-juanita-broaddrick/

Interesting. I did read it all, but I found this interesting:

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From your link:

But investigations by NBC News and reporting from the Washington Post poked no major holes in it. She has as much corroboration as Anita Hill–friends who say she told them about the assault at the time, one of whom says she saw her immediately after with a bruised and swollen lip. So far as we know, Broaddrick has no motive to lie. Of course, the President’s men are right to say you can’t disprove an ancient charge like this. But the best Clinton’s defenders can come up with is that rape doesn’t fit his “MO”–as if, after all the backing and filling and prevaricating and outright lying, we know what this man’s MO really is.

Anyway, I don't want to be rude so, I will say: I doubt I'll be answering for a while. I'm in that "zone" where I am so tired, I will fall asleep easily (that won't stop the nightmares, but I'll get an hour or two, anyway).

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RE: Why are conservative such hypocrites with sexual ab... - 12/7/2017 11:06:14 PM

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It's too late for it to be proven one way or another, isn't it? The alleged rape happened in 1978. Statute of limitations has run out.

Except now she's possibly guilty of the same crime Bubba was impeached for, lying under oath, for recanting her story. Or she's open to a defamation suit.

Ultimately, she had a chance to tell her story, and she refused, under oath. I think that's all anyone can do for her.

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RE: Why are conservative such hypocrites with sexual ab... - 12/8/2017 12:29:31 AM

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It's too late for it to be proven one way or another, isn't it? The alleged rape happened in 1978. Statute of limitations has run out.

Except now she's possibly guilty of the same crime Bubba was impeached for, lying under oath, for recanting her story. Or she's open to a defamation suit.

Ultimately, she had a chance to tell her story, and she refused, under oath. I think that's all anyone can do for her.

So much for sleep. The Puppy had other ideas ...

I was thinking about this and I wonder if you're not pointing out the cautionary tale we're hearing a lot about, today.

We know that Flowers, Jones, and Broaddrick were targets of the "Bimbo Eruptions" team. Maybe Ms. Broaddrick didn't want to have that high-profile a case re-hashed because she was afraid to come forward?

I'll say this: I put more stock in these three than the "anonymous" accusers of current day similar cases.

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RE: Why are conservative such hypocrites with sexual ab... - 12/8/2017 12:42:24 PM

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I remember back during the election many member states of the right wing here and on other platforms constantly bringing up the “sexual assaults” of Bill Clinton. Plus one of the most discussed threads currently is about al Franken, a Democrat accused of sexual harassment. And yet these same conservatives say nothing about Trump outright admitting to sexually assaulting women on tape amid a considerable number of allegations from women. While Roy Moore doesn’t have the same kind of self admission as Trump, the fact that there are so many women coming forward suggests there is a lot smoke for there to be no fire. So I ask this: why are the allegations of women against Democrats more damning than those against republicans in the eyes of conservatives? It’s not that I don’t know the answer, it’s fairly obvious, but I want to ask the conservatives here why they think this way. Why do conservatives hold their opponents to a standard they are happy to disregard? Why do they support a president who admitted to assaulting women while at the same time previously calling for Al Franken’s resignation? Please explain why this double standard is accceptible.

I don't spend a lot of time obsessing over the clown so perhaps you can refresh my memory. When did he admit to sexually assaulting women. Exact quote if you can, I don't need the interpretations you have undoubtedly come up with in your narrow little mind.

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RE: Why are conservative such hypocrites with sexual ab... - 12/8/2017 12:45:59 PM

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I remember back during the election many member states of the right wing here and on other platforms constantly bringing up the “sexual assaults” of Bill Clinton. Plus one of the most discussed threads currently is about al Franken, a Democrat accused of sexual harassment. And yet these same conservatives say nothing about Trump outright admitting to sexually assaulting women on tape amid a considerable number of allegations from women. While Roy Moore doesn’t have the same kind of self admission as Trump, the fact that there are so many women coming forward suggests there is a lot smoke for there to be no fire. So I ask this: why are the allegations of women against Democrats more damning than those against republicans in the eyes of conservatives? It’s not that I don’t know the answer, it’s fairly obvious, but I want to ask the conservatives here why they think this way. Why do conservatives hold their opponents to a standard they are happy to disregard? Why do they support a president who admitted to assaulting women while at the same time previously calling for Al Franken’s resignation? Please explain why this double standard is accceptible.

Good luck with this one!
I don't have a dog in this fight.

IMHO, both sides are more concerned with "winning" then any allegations these days.
It is about blind partisanship, and about winning.

Definition of partisan from Merriam Webster:
a firm adherent to a party, faction, cause, or person; especially : one exhibiting blind, prejudiced, and unreasoning allegiance political partisans who see only one side of the problem

This defines most on here and in general, it defines the left and the right.

Pretty much. And while I am sure there are sexual predators on both side of the fence, I am bothered by the idea that we don't seem to need proof of guilt before firing people or ruining their careers. What happened to innocent until proven guilty?

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RE: Why are conservative such hypocrites with sexual ab... - 12/8/2017 2:41:53 PM

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I don't spend a lot of time obsessing over the clown so perhaps you can refresh my memory. When did he admit to sexually assaulting women. Exact quote if you can, I don't need the interpretations you have undoubtedly come up with in your narrow little mind.

i trust he's referring to the "grab 'em by the pussy" line that apparently he's missed having been explained here at least a half dozen times as a combination of "locker room talk" and "willing groupies"

but I think you probably knew that right? and are wanting the kid to produce the "goods" which are ultimately not in his favor.

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RE: Why are conservative such hypocrites with sexual ab... - 12/8/2017 5:37:20 PM

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Not just the "grabbing Pussy line. but nice try

or, heres the full transcript.
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/08/us/donald-trump-tape-transcript.html

Oh and parsing it off as locker room talk and groupies. is mansplaining.

Here are the pertinent parts again...not JUST the grab em by the pussy
Trump: I did try and fuck her. She was married.

Unknown: That’s huge news.

Trump: No, no, Nancy. No, this was [unintelligible] — and I moved on her very heavily. In fact, I took her out furniture shopping.

She wanted to get some furniture. I said, “I’ll show you where they have some nice furniture.” I took her out furniture —

I moved on her like a bitch. But I couldn’t get there. And she was married. Then all of a sudden I see her, she’s now got the big phony tits and everything. She’s totally changed her look.

Trump: Yeah, that’s her. With the gold. I better use some Tic Tacs just in case I start kissing her. You know, I’m automatically attracted to beautiful — I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything.

Even "groupies" say no...
But the only people who talked about "groupies" to cover their hero, have been men.
You cant even discuss the accusations against him.

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RE: Why are conservative such hypocrites with sexual ab... - 12/8/2017 6:05:04 PM

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I remember back during the election many member states of the right wing here and on other platforms constantly bringing up the “sexual assaults” of Bill Clinton. Plus one of the most discussed threads currently is about al Franken, a Democrat accused of sexual harassment. And yet these same conservatives say nothing about Trump outright admitting to sexually assaulting women on tape amid a considerable number of allegations from women. While Roy Moore doesn’t have the same kind of self admission as Trump, the fact that there are so many women coming forward suggests there is a lot smoke for there to be no fire. So I ask this: why are the allegations of women against Democrats more damning than those against republicans in the eyes of conservatives? It’s not that I don’t know the answer, it’s fairly obvious, but I want to ask the conservatives here why they think this way. Why do conservatives hold their opponents to a standard they are happy to disregard? Why do they support a president who admitted to assaulting women while at the same time previously calling for Al Franken’s resignation? Please explain why this double standard is accceptible.

Good luck with this one!
I don't have a dog in this fight.

IMHO, both sides are more concerned with "winning" then any allegations these days.
It is about blind partisanship, and about winning.

Definition of partisan from Merriam Webster:
a firm adherent to a party, faction, cause, or person; especially : one exhibiting blind, prejudiced, and unreasoning allegiance political partisans who see only one side of the problem

This defines most on here and in general, it defines the left and the right.

Pretty much. And while I am sure there are sexual predators on both side of the fence, I am bothered by the idea that we don't seem to need proof of guilt before firing people or ruining their careers. What happened to innocent until proven guilty?

It doesnt apply to the court of public opinion,

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RE: Why are conservative such hypocrites with sexual ab... - 12/8/2017 6:07:01 PM

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Prominent appeals court Judge Alex Kozinski accused of sexual misconduct

A former clerk for Judge Alex Kozinski said the powerful and well-known jurist, who for many years served as chief judge on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit, called her into his office several times and pulled up pornography on his computer, asking if she thought it was photoshopped or if it aroused her sexually.

Heidi Bond, who clerked for Kozinski from 2006 to 2007, said the porn was not related to any case. One set of images she remembered was of college-age students at a party where “some people were inexplicably naked while everyone else was clothed.” Another was a sort of digital flip book that allowed users to mix and match heads, torsos and legs to create an image of a naked woman.

Bond is one of six women — all former clerks or more junior staffers known as externs in the 9th Circuit — who alleged to The Washington Post in recent weeks that Kozinski, now 67 and still serving as a judge on the court, subjected them to a range of inappropriate sexual conduct or comments. She is one of two former clerks who said Kozinski asked them to view porn in his chambers.

In a statement, Kozinski said: “I have been a judge for 35 years and during that time have had over 500 employees in my chambers. I treat all of my employees as family and work very closely with most of them. I would never intentionally do anything to offend anyone and it is regrettable that a handful have been offended by something I may have said or done.”

Kozinski provided the statement after The Post called and emailed a spokesman with a detailed list of the allegations this story would include. After the story posted online, the judge told the Los Angeles Times, “I don’t remember ever showing pornographic material to my clerks” and, “If this is all they are able to dredge up after 35 years, I am not too worried.”

When Bond was clerking, Kozinski was on the precipice of becoming chief judge for the 9th Circuit — the largest federal appeals court circuit in the country, handling cases for a large swath of the western United States as well as Hawaii and Alaska. The other people who alleged that Kozinski behaved inappropriately toward them worked in the 9th Circuit both before and after her, up to 2012.

Bond said she knew that she was to come to the judge’s office when her phone beeped twice. She said she tried to answer Kozinski’s inquiries as succinctly and matter-of-factly as possible. Bond was then in her early 30s and is now 41.

If the question was about photoshopping, Bond said, she would focus on minor details of the images. If Kozinski asked whether the images aroused her, Bond said, she would respond: “No, this kind of stuff doesn’t do anything for me. Is there anything else you need?” She said she recalled three instances when the judge showed her porn in his office.

“I was in a state of emotional shock, and what I really wanted to do was be as small as possible and make as few movements as possible and to say as little as possible to get out,” Bond said.

Bond, who went on to clerk for the Supreme Court and now works as a romance novelist writing under the name Courtney Milan, and another clerk, Emily Murphy, who worked for a different judge on the 9th Circuit and is now a law professor, described their experiences in on-the-record interviews. The other four women spoke on the condition that their names and some other identifying information not be published, out of fear that they might face retaliation from Kozinski or others.

Kozinski, who served as the chief judge on the 9th Circuit from 2007 to 2014, remains a prominent judge, well known in the legal community for his colorful written opinions. His clerks often win prestigious clerkships at the Supreme Court.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/prominent-appeals-court-judge-alex-kozinski-accused-of-sexual-misconduct/2017/12/08/1763e2b8-d913-11e7-a841-2066faf731ef_story.html?utm_term=.0057473a0939

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RE: Why are conservative such hypocrites with sexual ab... - 12/8/2017 6:24:05 PM

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https://pagesix.com/2017/12/08/ex-fox-news-anchor-claims-trump-tried-to-kiss-her/

Ex-Fox News anchor claims Trump tried to kiss her

Former Fox News anchor Juliet Huddy said President Donald Trump tried to kiss her in an elevator around the time he married First Lady Melania.

Huddy, who allegedly received a settlement after she made a complaint against disgraced anchor Bill O’Reilly, described how the mogul leaned in to kiss her after he took her to lunch at Trump Tower in 2005.

The TV newswoman, who now hosts a radio show on WABC Radio, revealed on “Mornin!!! with Bill Schulz” on compoundmedia.com, that she had rebuffed the now-president in the Trump Tower elevator. And Trump later appeared on her Fox News chat show, and joked to the audience, “I hit on her but she blew me off.”

Huddy said of Trump, “He took me for lunch at Trump Tower, just us two. He said goodbye to me in an elevator while his security guy was there, rather than kiss me on the cheek he leaned in to kiss me on the lips. I wasn’t offended, I was kind of like, ‘Oh my god’.” She said she want to meet a friend and Trump then invited them both back to see “The Apprentice” set, “And everything was copacetic after that.”

But she added, “I was surprised that he went for the lips. But I didn’t feel threatened … he took me out to lunch to talk about maybe me doing something with ‘The Apprentice.’ He used to watch ‘Fox & Friends,’ the show I was hosting on the weekend. Whatever, everything was fine. It was a weird moment. He never tried anything after that, and I was never alone with him.”

But she said Trump later joked about his clumsy pass at her when appearing on her Fox News morning talk show a few years later. Huddy explained, “Trump was a guest and he came on stage, He said, to the audience and producers, not on camera, ‘I tried hitting on her but she blew me off.’ He was laughing. At the time I was not offended by it, I thought he was a single man and leaned in for a kiss… maybe he thought, ‘She’s been out to lunch with me and maybe she is interested.’

“Now I have matured I think I would say, ‘Woah, no’, but at the time I was younger and I was a little shocked. I thought maybe he didn’t mean to do it, but I was kind of making excuses. The elevator incident and the lunch was 2005 or 2006,” she added. Trump married Melania in January 2005

Huddy made the comment after discussing Trump’s slurs, said by the White House to be caused by dry mouth. When asked by fellow guest, writer Samantha Judge, “Do you remember his lips being dry?” Huddy responded, “I don’t remember. No.'”

She continued talking about Trump’s reaction to the allegations against Bill O’Reilly, “I’ve seen him [Trump] many times over the years and he’s always been nice….When all the stuff came out about Bill O’Reilly, Donald Trump was one of the people who said, ‘I don’t believe this happened and I don’t believe he did it’… I was actually very disappointed in Trump, I thought, ‘You know what, f–k you.’ He [Trump] has met me a bunch of times and he knows I am not [a liar]”

A rep for Trump did not immediately respond to a request for comment

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RE: Why are conservative such hypocrites with sexual ab... - 12/9/2017 1:50:43 PM

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Not just the "grabbing Pussy line. but nice try

or, heres the full transcript.
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/08/us/donald-trump-tape-transcript.html

Oh and parsing it off as locker room talk and groupies. is mansplaining.

Here are the pertinent parts again...not JUST the grab em by the pussy
Trump: I did try and fuck her. She was married.

Unknown: That’s huge news.

Trump: No, no, Nancy. No, this was [unintelligible] — and I moved on her very heavily. In fact, I took her out furniture shopping.

She wanted to get some furniture. I said, “I’ll show you where they have some nice furniture.” I took her out furniture —

I moved on her like a bitch. But I couldn’t get there. And she was married. Then all of a sudden I see her, she’s now got the big phony tits and everything. She’s totally changed her look.

Trump: Yeah, that’s her. With the gold. I better use some Tic Tacs just in case I start kissing her. You know, I’m automatically attracted to beautiful — I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything.

Even "groupies" say no...
But the only people who talked about "groupies" to cover their hero, have been men.
You cant even discuss the accusations against him.

Trump bragged he was so famous he could get away with locker room behavior.
Which caused raucous howling.
So Republicans brought up Bill Clinton who actually performed sexual harassment by the legal definition while in office and lied to the panel investigating the allegations.

Elites don't think the rules the rest of us have to adhere to apply to them. Why are people acting surprised?

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RE: Why are conservative such hypocrites with sexual ab... - 12/9/2017 2:40:25 PM

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You cant even discuss the accusations against him.

that line is taken care of by this one that im sure you'll remember. I have no interest in conversation with you.

you can "femsplain" trumps "mansplaining" all you want. as far as what you presented above, it doesn't change my assessment of the nature of trumps comment. in fact, your transcript is full of support for it, good one!

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RE: Why are conservative such hypocrites with sexual ab... - 12/9/2017 3:55:14 PM

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Huddy said of Trump, “He took me for lunch at Trump Tower, just us two. He said goodbye to me in an elevator while his security guy was there, rather than kiss me on the cheek he leaned in to kiss me on the lips. I wasn’t offended, I was kind of like, ‘Oh my god’.” She said she want to meet a friend and Trump then invited them both back to see “The Apprentice” set, “And everything was copacetic after that.”

But she added, “I was surprised that he went for the lips. But I didn’t feel threatened … he took me out to lunch to talk about maybe me doing something with ‘The Apprentice.’ He used to watch ‘Fox & Friends,’ the show I was hosting on the weekend. Whatever, everything was fine. It was a weird moment. He never tried anything after that, and I was never alone with him.”

But she said Trump later joked about his clumsy pass...

OMFG, a guy made a pass at a grl

To prudish old catholic nuns like you that must be the end of the world

The devil's comin' ta GITCHA

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RE: Why are conservative such hypocrites with sexual ab... - 12/9/2017 4:32:30 PM

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I don't spend a lot of time obsessing over the clown so perhaps you can refresh my memory. When did he admit to sexually assaulting women. Exact quote if you can, I don't need the interpretations you have undoubtedly come up with in your narrow little mind.

i trust he's referring to the "grab 'em by the pussy" line that apparently he's missed having been explained here at least a half dozen times as a combination of "locker room talk" and "willing groupies"

but I think you probably knew that right? and are wanting the kid to produce the "goods" which are ultimately not in his favor.

yea, I think you are probably right

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RE: Why are conservative such hypocrites with sexual ab... - 12/9/2017 4:53:05 PM

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It's too late for it to be proven one way or another, isn't it? The alleged rape happened in 1978. Statute of limitations has run out.

Except now she's possibly guilty of the same crime Bubba was impeached for, lying under oath, for recanting her story. Or she's open to a defamation suit.

Ultimately, she had a chance to tell her story, and she refused, under oath. I think that's all anyone can do for her.

So much for sleep. The Puppy had other ideas ...

I was thinking about this and I wonder if you're not pointing out the cautionary tale we're hearing a lot about, today.

We know that Flowers, Jones, and Broaddrick were targets of the "Bimbo Eruptions" team. Maybe Ms. Broaddrick didn't want to have that high-profile a case re-hashed because she was afraid to come forward?

I'll say this: I put more stock in these three than the "anonymous" accusers of current day similar cases.

I don't know why you're saying "these three". Flowers never claimed anything but a consensual affair. And whoopdeedoo with that.

For current accusers wishing to remain anonymous, they aren't the same people they were when they event happened. Years have passed. Many have families now, or have moved on to different jobs, so public scrutiny aimed at them is unwelcome. And there may be no legal recourse for them, either criminal or civil, because of how many years have passed. But there is still a shared feeling that someone needs to know; that someone who would otherwise fall prey to these bastards desperately needs to know.

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RE: Why are conservative such hypocrites with sexual ab... - 12/9/2017 5:32:30 PM

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of course Michael can clarify but i suspect its less about "consensual" relationship and more to do with Clinton's originally denying the existence of it. the issue is one of "being believed."

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Huddy said of Trump, “He took me for lunch at Trump Tower, just us two. He said goodbye to me in an elevator while his security guy was there, rather than kiss me on the cheek he leaned in to kiss me on the lips. I wasn’t offended, I was kind of like, ‘Oh my god’.” She said she want to meet a friend and Trump then invited them both back to see “The Apprentice” set, “And everything was copacetic after that.”

But she added, “I was surprised that he went for the lips. But I didn’t feel threatened … he took me out to lunch to talk about maybe me doing something with ‘The Apprentice.’ He used to watch ‘Fox & Friends,’ the show I was hosting on the weekend. Whatever, everything was fine. It was a weird moment. He never tried anything after that, and I was never alone with him.”

But she said Trump later joked about his clumsy pass...

OMFG, a guy made a pass at a grl

To prudish old catholic nuns like you that must be the end of the world

The devil's comin' ta GITCHA

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RE: Why are conservative such hypocrites with sexual ab... - 12/9/2017 6:14:49 PM

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You cant even discuss the accusations against him.

that line is taken care of by this one that im sure you'll remember. I have no interest in conversation with you.

you can "femsplain" trumps "mansplaining" all you want. as far as what you presented above, it doesn't change my assessment of the nature of trumps comment. in fact, your transcript is full of support for it, good one!

you must be looking over your shoulder.

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Huddy said of Trump, “He took me for lunch at Trump Tower, just us two. He said goodbye to me in an elevator while his security guy was there, rather than kiss me on the cheek he leaned in to kiss me on the lips. I wasn’t offended, I was kind of like, ‘Oh my god’.” She said she want to meet a friend and Trump then invited them both back to see “The Apprentice” set, “And everything was copacetic after that.”

But she added, “I was surprised that he went for the lips. But I didn’t feel threatened … he took me out to lunch to talk about maybe me doing something with ‘The Apprentice.’ He used to watch ‘Fox & Friends,’ the show I was hosting on the weekend. Whatever, everything was fine. It was a weird moment. He never tried anything after that, and I was never alone with him.”

But she said Trump later joked about his clumsy pass...

OMFG, a guy made a pass at a grl

To prudish old catholic nuns like you that must be the end of the world

The devil's comin' ta GITCHA

http://www.collarchat.com/m_5089777/mpage_1/tm.htm

You're really an idiot

That doesn't follow in the least

Incredible how you get even more stupid every day

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Hunter is the smartest guy I know

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