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Greta75 -> RE: Heterosexual touching other Heterosexual (12/8/2017 7:50:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic LMAO looking like "a lover caressing an arm", is NOT sexual assault. and yet you still assert that trumps accusers are lying and want money fuck off with your ignorant shit. Are you seriously comparing clear video evidence to accusations without evidence? In this situation, it's clear video evidence. And everyone is trivializing the dude, because he is a male and he is not entitled not to be molested apparently.

Lucylastic -> RE: Heterosexual touching other Heterosexual (12/8/2017 7:53:53 PM)
clear video evidence of sexual assault it is NOT. stop spinning

Greta75 -> RE: Heterosexual touching other Heterosexual (12/8/2017 7:57:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic clear video evidence of sexual assault it is NOT. stop spinning Clear video evidence of him caressing the other guy in a sexual manner, yes. Have a man you dated never caress your arm lovingly in that manner? It's totally violating people's personal space! This is a co-worker for gawd's sake! Not a lover!

Lucylastic -> RE: Heterosexual touching other Heterosexual (12/8/2017 8:25:27 PM)
sorry greta Ive reached my tolerance for "gretas stupidity" level for the day. I have built up a resistance to it, but its been a long stupid week from you, so Im just gonna ignore your crap.. But hey, you can thank trump for all this gargantuan reckoning with assault, molestation, rape, harassment and sexual assault. if hillary had won, there would be no discussion about what pigs some men are. That is a silver lining, altho it is miniscule, as he is still accused of molesting some 16 women*( a new one today too) sitting in office and supporting a credibly(as are HIS accusers) accused child molester running for the senate.

Edwird -> RE: Heterosexual touching other Heterosexual (12/8/2017 9:35:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 quote: ORIGINAL: JVoV Having seen the video, it's a fairly standard touch, on the forearm. Commonly done when you're trying to impress a point during conversation. I doubt it was common. Whether it is 'common' or not, it is absolutely not unusual in the West, certainly not in the US. quote: If it was common, the rep wouldn't feel so physically harassed and uncomfortable. That video only witnessed one touch which is the final one which made him blow up. But that dem must have been touching him alot for him to get so upset. You have already explained, Gretta, that both your parents considered you to be a nuisance, especially your mother. And that Asians in general eschew human touch unless for purpose of aggression. So why are you proposing to tell Westerners how to go about their business in the matter? I'm not going to say that the West is ahead of the Orient because we are more accepting of social touch, but, one has to wonder. quote: The rep was clearly extremely uncomfortable with another man touching him. The Republican in question is clearly homophobic (like you), even that after the near-acceptance of homosexual Republicans in the US. I got crotch-grabbed first at age 11 by some 40-something asshole man. I didn't even know what a queer was at the time, all I needed to know was that he was an asshole. Just like anyone being 11 yrs. old would have thought the same, regardless of own gender or sexual orientation. The stupid ass who ratted out Kevin Spacey is a homo, and even though the incident occurred when he was 4 yrs. older than I was on first event, the stupid ass still can't get over it 30 years later. What a loser. I went on to have a number of nice girlfriends and then a few LT relationships with women, don't ask me what this twit's problem was/still is. Oh, right. The guy who crotch-grabbed me wasn't famous. Maybe that's it. I'm sure it was less traumatic being an 11 yr. heterosexual grabbed by an asshole than it was for a 15 yr. old homosexual being lain upon by a 'famous person.' Well, that explains that. So now the whole focus is on a 'famous person' lying upon a 15 yr. homosexual old rather than the president pussy-grabbing 13 yr. olds and openly wanting to fuck his own 15 yr. old daughter. Or at least that "15 yr. old" thing is all he would admit to, any case. If one is a real heterosexual, I can't imagine being so 'troubled' by even the notion of someone of his/her own gender hugging or touching, unless that person is 'troubled' unconsciously by his/her own sexuality. My brother gives the best hug I know, except he says same about me. Even my wonderful lady knows this. She is eager participant of same. She is not wanting to . . . What a sad case you are, Gretta. You miss out on all this. As has been pointed out already, if you want to have it that any touch is only for purpose of aggression, sexual or otherwise, keep it to yourself. That notion is yours, or maybe even just how it is in your sector of the world. We do not consider the other gender to be the enemy. We do not consider the 'other sexual orientation' to be the enemy. That is not 100% true in the West, but it's a lot closer to that here than it is in the East, and we are 10X farther ahead. Think about it, and think about why you hate each other so much and have so little regard for each other or any notion of humanity to begin with.

Greta75 -> RE: Heterosexual touching other Heterosexual (12/9/2017 1:15:10 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Edwird So why are you proposing to tell Westerners how to go about their business in the matter? I'm not going to say that the West is ahead of the Orient because we are more accepting of social touch, but, one has to wonder. Dude it was a western person being inappropriately touch and feeling distress and uncomfortable about it, and I felt so bad for him for being bullied about feeling the way he did. That's why I am standing up for him. He felt sexually harassed! And his feelings matter. quote: The Republican in question is clearly homophobic (like you), even that after the near-acceptance of homosexual Republicans in the US. While I am a self-professed homophobic. I use that word to deter lesbians thoroughly. I know you think I think too much about myself, but I have been pursued by lesbians despite telling them I am 101% straight. Some lesbians think it's a challenge to turn you gay or they believe making you fall inlove with them will surpass gender preferences. And because Lesbian are women. They are even crazily more romantic than men. I had a lesbian who called me everyday near my ending of work hours, claiming she is near my office and ask me if I needed a lift home and if I said, no, I am working late, and then she will offer to buy some dinner and bring it up to my office. Like without fucking fail everyday to the extent of super stalking. And she would always ask me out for dinner and insist on paying the bill and refuse to allow me pay. And always insist on chauffeuring me around. But she is a really nice lady, but just don't get that you can't turn straight people gay. But I will have equal reaction IF a male or a female touched me that way. So it's not limited to only lesbians. So don't try to blame this on homophobia. I don't know this guy very well, but I imagine someone like Mike Pence would freak too if another woman touched him in that manner. quote: My brother gives the best hug I know, except he says same about me. Even my wonderful lady knows this. She is eager participant of same. She is not wanting to . . . What a sad case you are, Gretta. You miss out on all this. I have the closest relationship with my brothers to the extent that we are comfortable to discuss sex with each other, and sleep on the same bed, with me only in my bra and panties and him in his boxers. BUT it would creepy if he hug me or touch me at all. No physical contact. It doesn't make our relationship less close, and why would I be missing out on brotherly hugs? I get hugs from my lovers who I am having sex with only as they have permission to physically touch me. You and your brother hugging each other is consensual so it's all good. I basically am talking about only consent for touching another person is important. And very important.

DaddySatyr -> RE: Heterosexual touching other Heterosexual (12/9/2017 1:25:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 quote: ORIGINAL: Edwird So why are you proposing to tell Westerners how to go about their business in the matter? I'm not going to say that the West is ahead of the Orient because we are more accepting of social touch, but, one has to wonder. Dude it was a western person being inappropriately touch It was a Western person being touched. YOU made the judgment that it was inappropriate.

Greta75 -> RE: Heterosexual touching other Heterosexual (12/9/2017 1:27:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr It was a Western person being touched. YOU made the judgment that it was inappropriate. Are we even watching the same video, or was it not the western person HIMSELF who thought it was inappropriate and actually cried out in distress?

Greta75 -> RE: Heterosexual touching other Heterosexual (12/9/2017 1:28:40 AM)
I see this whole thing as reverse shaming for heterosexual person feeling sexually assaulted by their own gender and people trivializing it by accusing him of being homophobic.

DaddySatyr -> RE: Heterosexual touching other Heterosexual (12/9/2017 1:36:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr It was a Western person being touched. YOU made the judgment that it was inappropriate. Are we even watching the same video, or was it not the western person HIMSELF who thought it was inappropriate and actually cried out in distress? As I've said from the beginning of these sexual harassment allegations, there's going to be a (hopefully small) percentage of people that will jump on the band wagon to make themselves relevant. To your post directly above: It is every person's right to decide by whom they wish to be touched. That's absolutely correct. They do NOT have the right to mis-characterize any touch that has happened. That gets us lost in the weeds, very quickly. Would it be appropriate for me to touch your hair? Of course not! Is it sexual harassment? Not really. I had an incident, years ago, where a lady touched my head from behind and couldn't believe that I'd objected to it. I don't think that incident was sexual harassment, but at the time, I used that kind of argument to show her why it was okay for me to object to her, touching me inappropriately.

Lucylastic -> RE: Heterosexual touching other Heterosexual (12/9/2017 1:52:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr It was a Western person being touched. YOU made the judgment that it was inappropriate. Are we even watching the same video, or was it not the western person HIMSELF who thought it was inappropriate and actually cried out in distress? As I've said from the beginning of these sexual harassment allegations, there's going to be a (hopefully small) percentage of people that will jump on the band wagon to make themselves relevant. To your post directly above: It is every person's right to decide who by whom they wish to be touched. That's absolutely correct. They do NOT have the right to mis-characterize any touch that has happened. That gets us lost in the weeds, very quickly. Would it be appropriate for me to touch your hair? Of course not! Is it sexual harassment? Not really. I had an incident, years ago, where a lady touched my head from behind and couldn't believe that I'd objected to it. I don't think that incident was sexual harassment, but at the time, I used that kind of argument to show her why it was okay for me to object to her, touching me inappropriately. Pretty much this (2nd time ) I also have to wonder, had it been a woman, or a straight male he would have acted with more decorum.

susie -> RE: Heterosexual touching other Heterosexual (12/9/2017 7:32:34 AM)
FR I have just watched the video on the OPs post. Seriously is that what all the fuss is about. Just looks like a man PUTTING his hand on anothers arm as a way of making sure he is in the conversation. Peolple do it all the time. I really can't see how anyone can make that about homophobia or assault. Bit of growing up needed me thinks[;)]

longwayhome -> RE: Heterosexual touching other Heterosexual (12/9/2017 7:41:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic no dumbarse its common assault, NOT sexual assault. and the video shows nothing sexual, ya idiot. Only his response was of sexual nature by mentioning he is gay. FFS The way he caressed the rep arm is like a lover caressing his girlfriend's arm. So yes, it looks extremely sexual in nature. Its like a pervy man caressing a woman's thigh. I don't think that you and I were watching the same clip. The clip you posted showed a very brief touch to the arm that is very normal is social situations. It is the over-the-top reaction of the person being touched that is the story here. At worst a touch like that could be held to be patronising, although I don't think that was the intention. For me the man doing the touching was just being inclusive. It certainly wasn't sexual. Are you perhaps being swayed by the fact that it was a Democrat doing the touching and a Republican reacting, or perhaps your own dislike for people the same sex touching you?

longwayhome -> RE: Heterosexual touching other Heterosexual (12/9/2017 8:04:51 AM)
I'll also have to take your word for it that things are different in Singapore. Social touching and non-sexual physical contact between friends and family members is certainly not confined to the west. To take just one Asian example of which I have personal experience, in the Philippines same sex friends often walk along the road with an arm around the other person's shoulder and people lean against each other in social situations in markets, bars and at work. This extent of the same sex physical contact makes westerners look decidedly stiff and formal and is way beyond what normally happens in western cultures, where welcoming hugs and kisses on the cheek are normal. I would stress that this is all same sex physical contact between men and men or women and women and has nothing to do with homosexuality. Opposite sex physical contact is quite different. I entirely understand your own views on touching but I think you are wrong, both about the nature of this clip and about social touching being a peculiarly western thing.

JVoV -> RE: Heterosexual touching other Heterosexual (12/9/2017 9:50:00 AM)
Let the record show that under a Mike Pence Presidency, that video would be considered the most hardcore gay porn to be allowed distribution.

Edwird -> RE: Heterosexual touching other Heterosexual (12/10/2017 1:36:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 ORIGINAL: Edwird So why are you proposing to tell Westerners how to go about their business in the matter? I'm not going to say that the West is ahead of the Orient because we are more accepting of social touch, but, one has to wonder. quote: Dude it was a western person being inappropriately touch and feeling distress and uncomfortable about it, and I felt so bad for him for being bullied about feeling the way he did. That's why I am standing up for him. He felt sexually harassed! And his feelings matter. quote: "Dude," you are an Eastener commenting about Westerner mores and social manners as if you had any clue. You don't. About anything. Much less about this episode. While we're at it, you do not properly represent anything from your own continental corner to begin with. quote: While I am a self-professed homophobic. I use that word to deter lesbians thoroughly. All I had to do was to proclaim the truth that I was/am seriously heterosexual. But if it suited you to put the most antagonistic spin on it, so be it. quote: I know you think I think too much about myself, No, I just think that you're gratingly stupid. quote: And she would always ask me out for dinner and insist on paying the bill and refuse to allow me pay. And always insist on chauffeuring me around. Well, that's how to get the message across how homophobic you are to women, by accepting a lesbian's invitation to dinner at a restaurant and a ride home, on numerous repeat occasions by your own account. quote: I have the closest relationship with my brothers to the extent that we are comfortable to discuss sex with each other, and sleep on the same bed, with me only in my bra and panties and him in his boxers. You do THIS, and then propose to tell Westerners how perverted they are or how supposedly 'homosexual' it is for touching on the arm? Get serious!

Shandirra -> RE: Heterosexual touching other Heterosexual (12/10/2017 3:01:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JVoV When did arms become erogenous zones? You realize that making inferences about a co-worker's sexuality in any way is sexual harassment? Whereas simply touching a co-worker's arm (consensually or not) is not a crime at all? Apparently, you're not conversant with EEO issues regarding inappropriate behavior in the workplace. Any zone; any time, anywhere, by anyone, is punishable by law. The intent of the offending party is not the subject which determines severity. Rather, it is the reaction of the offended party which determines if an offense has occurred. Sad, but true. Do I believe that if he so desired, he could make a case out of it? Yes. Do I believe the offended party over reacted? Yes. Homophobia is as debilitating as any other and needs to be curtailed by the individual experiencing it. Personally, I have a thicker skin about casual contact. Partly due to how I was raised, the friends I kept in my formative years and my current profession. I'm in law enforcement (over 20 years) and my particular division is 95% cis/het males. This particular division is more relaxed and easy going in general than the enforcement portion, of which I have been a member of as well. However, if anyone wished to raise a fuss about it; a touch on the arm could be misconstrued and a suit forthcoming. It's the nature of the beast after so many years of unwanted advances being second nature in male dominated environments. quote: ORIGINAL: igor2003 Wow! You would REALLY be traumatized if someone just walked up and grabbed your pussy, wouldn't you? How traumatized would you be if a stranger came up to you and grabbed your bits without permission? Especially if you found that person unattractive or improper to your sexual orientation? Stop demeaning someone's feelings simply because she's female. quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 It's my body, why should anybody be allowed to touch my body? That's sexual assault. While I agree in theory, practice shows this to be casual and common. Your reaction, especially here on a forum of a alternative sexuality site, is frankly homophobic and ridiculous. I've been touched inappropriately by females and makes alike; in vanilla settings and BDSM settings. Did I blow a gasket? No. I calmly explained that I found the touch too personal and for the offender not to repeat the intrusion. I've never had problems with duplicative actions by either gender once my feelings were made clear. Should anyone have to make this clear? No. People should respect the sanctity of each others' bodies and personal space. There is also a bit of common sense which needs to be employed as well. It's a matter of degree, Greta. This doesn't even register as a 1 on a scale of 10.

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