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Aaaaand The Story Changes To ... - 12/8/2017 11:44:45 AM   
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Roy Moore Accuser Admits She Forged Part Of Signature in Yearbook.

Not the parts that you would think, but tampering with "evidence", all the same.

I won't hold my breath, waiting for her to be charged.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/roy-moore-accuser-beverly-nelson-181550285.html



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RE: Aaaaand The Story Changes To ... - 12/8/2017 11:59:55 AM   
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Roy Moore Accuser Admits She Forged Part Of Signature in Yearbook.

Not the parts that you would think, but tampering with "evidence", all the same.

I won't hold my breath, waiting for her to be charged.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/roy-moore-accuser-beverly-nelson-181550285.html



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It doesn't change any of the story, so the thread title is false. And she didn't forget his signature. She added her own notes beneath his.

So he still signed her yearbook. He wrote the message to her himself. She just noted the date and place below it.

Charged for what?

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RE: Aaaaand The Story Changes To ... - 12/8/2017 12:14:11 PM   
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She isnt the only one in the Saga of Roy Moore changing stories though. Ol' Roy has been doing a bit of story changing himself.

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2017/12/roy_moore_s_story_is_unraveling.html

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RE: Aaaaand The Story Changes To ... - 12/8/2017 12:14:17 PM   
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"Tampering with Evidence". When Gloria presented that book as evidence to a court, that's what it became. Since the young lady tampered with it ...

It does change the story, actually. When Moore claimed that he didn't sign his name that way (indeed, he wasn't a D.A., at the time, according to some), he asked for the book to be examined by a hand writing expert.

Nelson and Allred refused to produce it. Now, there's a "well, he signed it, but I did add some things".

I think we're going to find out she added more than just that and this attempt at "admission" is probably more an effort to muddy the waters for when we find out she added "D.A", also, which then, calls the entire signature into question.

Prediction: We'll hear something like "Well she re-traced the signature because it had faded" at some point, to explain why the ink is too new. Hand writing experts can figure that out, too.





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RE: Aaaaand The Story Changes To ... - 12/8/2017 12:18:52 PM   
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"Tampering with Evidence". When Gloria presented that book as evidence to a court, that's what it became. Since the young lady tampered with it ...

It does change the story, actually. When Moore claimed that he didn't sign his name that way (indeed, he wasn't a D.A., at the time, according to some), he asked for the book to be examined by a hand writing expert.

Nelson and Allred refused to produce it. Now, there's a "well, he signed it, but I did add some things".

I think we're going to find out she added more than just that and this attempt at "admission" is probably more an effort to muddy the waters for when we find out she added "D.A", also, which then, calls the entire signature into question.

Prediction: We'll hear something like "Well she re-traced the signature because it had faded" at some point, to explain why the ink is too new. Hand writing experts can figure that out, too.





So you are making a lot of predictions about what you expect will happen, not what has actually happened.

What Court was the yearbook presented to, that this has turned into evidence tampering?

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RE: Aaaaand The Story Changes To ... - 12/8/2017 12:25:38 PM   
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"Tampering with Evidence". When Gloria presented that book as evidence to a court, that's what it became. Since the young lady tampered with it ...

It does change the story, actually. When Moore claimed that he didn't sign his name that way (indeed, he wasn't a D.A., at the time, according to some), he asked for the book to be examined by a hand writing expert.

Nelson and Allred refused to produce it. Now, there's a "well, he signed it, but I did add some things".

I think we're going to find out she added more than just that and this attempt at "admission" is probably more an effort to muddy the waters for when we find out she added "D.A", also, which then, calls the entire signature into question.

Prediction: We'll hear something like "Well she re-traced the signature because it had faded" at some point, to explain why the ink is too new. Hand writing experts can figure that out, too.





So you are making a lot of predictions about what you expect will happen, not what has actually happened.

What Court was the yearbook presented to, that this has turned into evidence tampering?

They didn't want to turn it over to an expert be cause it is a fraud.

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RE: Aaaaand The Story Changes To ... - 12/8/2017 12:31:28 PM   
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"Tampering with Evidence". When Gloria presented that book as evidence to a court, that's what it became. Since the young lady tampered with it ...

It does change the story, actually. When Moore claimed that he didn't sign his name that way (indeed, he wasn't a D.A., at the time, according to some), he asked for the book to be examined by a hand writing expert.

Nelson and Allred refused to produce it. Now, there's a "well, he signed it, but I did add some things".

I think we're going to find out she added more than just that and this attempt at "admission" is probably more an effort to muddy the waters for when we find out she added "D.A", also, which then, calls the entire signature into question.

Prediction: We'll hear something like "Well she re-traced the signature because it had faded" at some point, to explain why the ink is too new. Hand writing experts can figure that out, too.





So you are making a lot of predictions about what you expect will happen, not what has actually happened.

What Court was the yearbook presented to, that this has turned into evidence tampering?

They didn't want to turn it over to an expert be cause it is a fraud.

That doesn't answer the question.

You said you wouldn't hold your breath on her being charged.

That implies she is guilty of a crime.

You said it was presented to a court, and that it was evidence tampering.

Please show where any of that is true.

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RE: Aaaaand The Story Changes To ... - 12/8/2017 2:21:18 PM   
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"Tampering with Evidence". When Gloria presented that book as evidence to a court, that's what it became. Since the young lady tampered with it ...

It does change the story, actually. When Moore claimed that he didn't sign his name that way (indeed, he wasn't a D.A., at the time, according to some), he asked for the book to be examined by a hand writing expert.

Nelson and Allred refused to produce it. Now, there's a "well, he signed it, but I did add some things".

I think we're going to find out she added more than just that and this attempt at "admission" is probably more an effort to muddy the waters for when we find out she added "D.A", also, which then, calls the entire signature into question.

Prediction: We'll hear something like "Well she re-traced the signature because it had faded" at some point, to explain why the ink is too new. Hand writing experts can figure that out, too.





So you are making a lot of predictions about what you expect will happen, not what has actually happened.

What Court was the yearbook presented to, that this has turned into evidence tampering?

They didn't want to turn it over to an expert be cause it is a fraud.

That doesn't answer the question.

You said you wouldn't hold your breath on her being charged.

That implies she is guilty of a crime.

You said it was presented to a court, and that it was evidence tampering.

Please show where any of that is true.

Read again, I said that she refused to turn it over. This made me think, as turned out to be correct,
that it was a fraud .

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RE: Aaaaand The Story Changes To ... - 12/8/2017 2:21:28 PM   
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"Tampering with Evidence". When Gloria presented that book as evidence to a court, that's what it became. Since the young lady tampered with it ...

It does change the story, actually. When Moore claimed that he didn't sign his name that way (indeed, he wasn't a D.A., at the time, according to some), he asked for the book to be examined by a hand writing expert.

Nelson and Allred refused to produce it. Now, there's a "well, he signed it, but I did add some things".

I think we're going to find out she added more than just that and this attempt at "admission" is probably more an effort to muddy the waters for when we find out she added "D.A", also, which then, calls the entire signature into question.

Prediction: We'll hear something like "Well she re-traced the signature because it had faded" at some point, to explain why the ink is too new. Hand writing experts can figure that out, too.





So you are making a lot of predictions about what you expect will happen, not what has actually happened.

What Court was the yearbook presented to, that this has turned into evidence tampering?

They didn't want to turn it over to an expert be cause it is a fraud.

That doesn't answer the question.

You said you wouldn't hold your breath on her being charged.

That implies she is guilty of a crime.

You said it was presented to a court, and that it was evidence tampering.

Please show where any of that is true.

Sorry, thought DS was the one that responded to this.

Still waiting on an answer to his "tampering with evidence" and the yearbook being "presented to court" claims.

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RE: Aaaaand The Story Changes To ... - 12/8/2017 2:26:08 PM   
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https://www.gq.com/story/roy-moore-yearbook-controversy-right-wing-media

In a new interview with ABC News, Beverly Young Nelson, one of nearly a dozen women who has accused Roy Moore of some form of sexual assault or abuse, reveals that she added an addendum to the stomach-turning yearbook inscription that Moore left her during the same year, she says, that he gave the then-16-year-old a ride home from the restaurant where she worked and then groped her and tried to force her head to his crotch. "To a sweeter, more beautiful girl I could not say ‘Merry Christmas.’ Christmas 1977. Love, Roy Moore, D.A.," the Republican Senate candidate wrote. "12-22-77, Olde Hickory House," she wrote below it.

If anything, this detail makes it more likely that the signature is authentic, not less. Obvious handwriting discrepancies exist between the two parts of the inscription, most notably in the way the number "7" is written. One chunk is in cursive and the other is in print. The fact that we now know that the last lines are Nelson's handwriting suggests that the lines above them were written by someone else—that is, that Moore wrote it. It also would have been kind of strange for Moore to have dated his holiday wishes twice while signing the yearbook, writing "Christmas 1977" and then "12-22-77" immediately afterwards. Again, learning that Nelson later specified the precise date on which Moore provided the "Christmas 1977" autograph in question is a perfectly reasonable explanation for this quirk.

Unfortunately, we do not live in an era in which rational thought tends to carry the day. Fox News immediately pushed out a one-paragraph, byline-free half-truth of story claiming that Nelson "admitted" that she had "forged part of [the] yearbook inscription" attributed to Moore. They quickly changed the headline from "forged" to "wrote," added a correction, and started deleting tweets, but by then, the message had already spread. Breitbart published an even more disingenuous distortion of her words, omitting the qualifier altogether. And it is this version of the story that is now prompting an army of overjoyed Pepe avatars to conclude that Nelson has finally been proven to be the liar they suspect her of being all along.

This is pretty embarrassing for Nelson's attorney, Gloria Allred, who should have spotted the distinctions right away, asked her client about them, and made this detail public in their very first press conference. The substance of what Nelson revealed—which is, again, that a Senate candidate sexually assaulted a teenager and wrote her lecherous season's greetings in the same year—never hinged on whether Moore had written those last two lines. There already exists plenty of evidence that the signature is his. The yearbook just served as more corroborating evidence of the relationship between one accuser and the candidate who responded by angrily denying that he even knew her. Clarifying from the beginning that Nelson had scribbled the addendum to commemorate a few logistical details would have made this into a non-issue.

But this story, like so many others right now, is about optics, not substance. Politically, the fact that Nelson didn't "admit" to "forging" anything here is less important than the breathless dissemination of headlines with words like "admits" and "forged" and "bombshell" appearing in all caps. If Roy Moore wins a Senate seat next week, it will be because he managed to sow just enough seeds of doubt among prospective supporters, convincing them that looking the other way and checking the box next to his name is a morally acceptable choice. Unforced errors like this one provide the right-wing propaganda machine, which already needs no encouragement to obfuscate the truth, with everything it needs to discredit a woman before an audience desperately hoping for her to be discredited.

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RE: Aaaaand The Story Changes To ... - 12/8/2017 2:35:38 PM   
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"Tampering with Evidence". When Gloria presented that book as evidence to a court, that's what it became. Since the young lady tampered with it ...

It does change the story, actually. When Moore claimed that he didn't sign his name that way (indeed, he wasn't a D.A., at the time, according to some), he asked for the book to be examined by a hand writing expert.

Nelson and Allred refused to produce it. Now, there's a "well, he signed it, but I did add some things".

I think we're going to find out she added more than just that and this attempt at "admission" is probably more an effort to muddy the waters for when we find out she added "D.A", also, which then, calls the entire signature into question.

Prediction: We'll hear something like "Well she re-traced the signature because it had faded" at some point, to explain why the ink is too new. Hand writing experts can figure that out, too.





So you are making a lot of predictions about what you expect will happen, not what has actually happened.

What Court was the yearbook presented to, that this has turned into evidence tampering?

They didn't want to turn it over to an expert be cause it is a fraud.

That doesn't answer the question.

You said you wouldn't hold your breath on her being charged.

That implies she is guilty of a crime.

You said it was presented to a court, and that it was evidence tampering.

Please show where any of that is true.

Read again, I said that she refused to turn it over. This made me think, as turned out to be correct,
that it was a fraud .

Nothing about the new stories indicate anything is a fraud. If anything, it corrobates her story, as showing that it is not her writing that wrote the part attributed to Roy Moore.

And she is not the only person to have written evidence of knowing him. Moore is the one contradicting himself, between his statements on the Hannity interview and what he has said since.

https://nypost.com/2017/12/04/roy-moore-accuser-says-she-has-proof-they-know-each-other/

Judge Roy Moore said he’s never met any of the women who’ve accused him of sexual misconduct — but one of them came forward Monday with a greeting card she says proves the Alabama GOP senate candidate isn’t telling the truth, according to a report.


Debbie Wesson Gibson, one of the five women who said Moore pursued them when they were teenagers, revealed an old scrapbook containing a card that read “Happy graduation Debbie,” which she says came from Moore when she was in high school, the Washington Post reported.

“I wanted to give you this card myself. I know that you’ll be a success in anything you do. Roy,” the message read.

Gibson claims to have met Moore in a high school civics class in the 1980s when he came in to speak. The two began dating shortly after and split when she went to college in a different part of Alabama.

She told the outlet she always wore their relationship like a “badge of honor” but began to reevaluate her position when she heard about other women coming out with similar stories, and how Moore has denied them all.

“He called me a liar,” Gibson lamented, adding she remained close with Moore over the years, even exchanging Christmas cards with him and helping him pass out fliers during his 1982 bid for circuit court judge.

“Roy Moore made an egregious mistake to attack that one thing — my integrity.”

Shortly after the allegations first surfaced, Moore told Sean Hannity in a radio interview he remembered Gibson but didn’t remember dating her.

However, in the last week, Moore has backtracked, denying he ever knew Gibson and his other accusers.


“The allegations are completely false,” Moore said at a campaign event on Nov. 27.

“They are malicious. Specifically, I do not know any of these women.”

He echoed a similar denial a couple of days later at another campaign event.

Besides the graduation card, Gibson showed two other instances of Moore in her records. On a page in her scrapbook titled “commencement,” under “My own guests,” Gibson had written “Roy S. Moore,” just above “mom” and “dad.”

On a page titled “remembrances,” which showed her graduation gifts, Gibson had a line for Moore, which included “$10, card” written next to his name.

On another page, titled “the best times,” she wrote about her first night out with Moore.

“Wednesday night, 3-4-81. Roy S. Moore and I went out for the first time. We went out to eat at Catfish Cabin in Albertville. I had a great time.”

The word “great” was underlined twice.

When Gibson found the scrapbook, she wasn’t sure if she wanted to publish it but when she heard Moore denying he knew her, she decided to go public.

“It takes what I thought was a very lovely part of my past, and it colors it, and it changes it irrevocably,” the 54-year-old said.

“It changes it permanently.”

Gibson said she kept watching and re-watching a video she has on her phone of Moore denying the allegations and decided it was more important to support the women with similar allegations than remain silent.

“At 34 minutes and 56 seconds into the video, he says, unequivocally, I did not know any of them,” Gibson said.

“In that moment, it changed my perspective. I knew he was a liar.”

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RE: Aaaaand The Story Changes To ... - 12/8/2017 4:21:19 PM   
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"Tampering with Evidence". When Gloria presented that book as evidence to a court, that's what it became. Since the young lady tampered with it ...


what court, what trial, what charge?
there is none as WS has so elegantly pointed out.
Seems another "journalist" gets it wrong and cant make a retraction.

If anyone had actually looked at the pic, its been quite obvious since the beginning, that the Olde hickory house and the date were added after, the DA? probably after, because he was only assistant DA at the time. (according to the statement about their first meeting in the court)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/...moore...he.../1f495878-c293-11e7-afe9-4f60b5a6c4...
Nov 9, 2017 - Alabama resident Leigh Corfman said that in 1979, when Moore was an assistant district attorney
IT doesnt mean the note was forged, it just means that sometime after the note on the yearbook, she went thru it and added how she knew him.

I dunno about anyone else my age(the age of the accusee by a couple of years) I was 17 in 79.
But it was popular back then to collect autographs of influential people, famous people etc etc. fan girls and boys had them.
I didnt have a yearbook at my school but I had an autograph book full of names, and I often added notes of the date, or where we met,

The story hasnt changed.
There is no "court" there is no trial, there is no charge.

But what’s striking to many is that Moore doesn’t challenge the message itself. He can’t dispute that it bears an uncanny resemblance to his handwriting.

Allred stated they would hand over the yearbook IF Moore agrees to testify, along with Nelson, under oath.
Moore has said he doesnt know her, never met her
she added a date and place and maybe DA.
But the "story" has changed?.
Nope not even close.




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RE: Aaaaand The Story Changes To ... - 12/8/2017 4:30:54 PM   
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Fox News deletes misleading headline blaming Roy Moore accuser of “forgery”

Beverly Young Nelson said she added “notes” to a yearbook inscription by Moore, Fox News said she “forged” it
https://www.salon.com/2017/12/08/fox-news-deletes-misleading-headline-blaming-roy-moore-accuser-of-forgery/

Fox News felt a wave of outrage after publishing a misleading story which said one of the women who has accused Alabama Senate candidate Roy Moore of sexual abuse "forged" part of her yearbook inscription signed by the Republican.

The Fox News story was published after Beverly Young Nelson sat down with "Good Morning Amerca's" Tom Llamas which aired on Friday. In the interview, Nelson said she made "notes" under Moore's inscription. In a news conference later on, Nelson's lawyer, Gloria Allred, said Nelson had written the notes so she could remember who Moore was and when and where he had signed the book, according to ABC News.

Nelson reiterated, however, "He did sign it."

Fox News did a report on Nelson's interview and the headline read, "Roy Moore accuser admits she forged part of the yearbook inscription attributed to Alabama Senate candidate."

The headline has since been changed, and the coinciding tweet has been deleted, but an archive of the post still keeps the original headline available. The current headline now reads, "Roy Moore accuser admits she wrote part of yearbook inscription attributed to Alabama Senate candidate."

In regards to the approaching Dec. 12 special election, Nelson told Llamas, "It sickens me to wonder what may go on with him if he gets into office."
"He could be doing this still," she said, according to ABC News. "We don’t know. And, then again, I hope that he’s changed. I pray that he’s changed. I really do."
Moore has categorically denied all of the allegations he's been faced with, and both he and his campaign have argued that Moore's signature was forged. President Donald Trump, who stayed mostly quiet when the allegations first surfaced, has formally endorsed his bid for Senate.

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RE: Aaaaand The Story Changes To ... - 12/8/2017 4:49:23 PM   
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yep yep and not just fox....this from politfact
With links to the RW sites that claimed it....
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No, Roy Moore accuser didn't admit she forged his signature in her yearbook

A conspiracy-minded website attempted to cast doubt on evidence presented by one of eight women who accused Roy Moore of sexual assault in a misleading headline days ahead of the Alabama Senate race.

"WE CALLED IT! Gloria Allred Accuser **ADMITS** She Tampered With Roy Moore’s Yearbook ‘Signature’ (VIDEO)," the headline reads on The Gateway Pundit. We found similar posts on Breitbart, "Roy Moore Accuser Beverly Nelson Admits She Forged Yearbook," and on the blog Silence is Consent, "Roy Moore accuser admits she forged yearbook inscription."

That’s not what the headlines of the Gateway Pundit, Breitbart or Silence is Consent. All three say Nelson said she either tampered with Moore’s signature or forged the inscription.

There’s no evidence of that.

Yet, the Gateway Pundit wrote that "Nelson admitting that she added to Moore’s alleged signature is the final nail in the coffin," the story reads. "Allred’s accuser is nothing but a fame-seeking fraud."

Fox News made a similar misstatement in their headline and story about the ABC report, which they later walked back.

"Roy Moore accuser admits she forged part of yearbook inscription attributed to Alabama Senate candidate," the original Fox News headline read. It was later edited to say she wrote, rather than forged, part of the inscription. The story did not include a clarification or correction when we last looked at it.


http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/dec/08/blog-posting/no-roy-moore-accuser-didnt-tamper-or-forge-yearboo/
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Here is the pic of the headline fox posted



now they have stated

An update to this story reflects that Beverly Young Nelson admits writing what ABC News characterized as “notes” beneath what she says is Roy Moore’s signature, and that the only notes below the signature are the date and location. Furthermore, the headline on story now specifies that Nelson admits to writing part of the inscription herself, rather than forging part of it.


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RE: Aaaaand The Story Changes To ... - 12/9/2017 12:32:31 AM   
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From the "CNN" thread:


Had you two ladies read ALL of the article I linked, you'd have seen:

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Gloria Allred, later presented the note as evidence in court that Moore sought an inappropriate relationship with her in the 1970s.


So ... not MY contention, but the contention of the AUTHOR OF THE ARTICLE . I mean, for goodness sake. It wasn't a long article to begin with and that sentence was the last in the third paragraph.

I'm done, doing other peoples' research for them. The link was there to be read. You two didn't read it and then, climbed on your high horse. It's too bad that horse didn't take you to the high ground for which you'd hoped. You'd rather try to paint me as wrong than to actually read.

I apologize. Maybe I'm doing a bit of "mind reading" there so, I'll ask: Was it that you didn't want to read or were some of the words too big for you? Maybe get a grown up to help?






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Was that the one without "evidence of tampering", and the non existent "court" it could be produced at?


Yep, that would be the one. Still waiting on him to show how what he said wasn't a lie.



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RE: Aaaaand The Story Changes To ... - 12/9/2017 11:09:05 AM   
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From the "CNN" thread:


Had you two ladies read ALL of the article I linked, you'd have seen:

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ORIGINAL: From The Link

Gloria Allred, later presented the note as evidence in court that Moore sought an inappropriate relationship with her in the 1970s.


So ... not MY contention, but the contention of the AUTHOR OF THE ARTICLE . I mean, for goodness sake. It wasn't a long article to begin with and that sentence was the last in the third paragraph.

I'm done, doing other peoples' research for them. The link was there to be read. You two didn't read it and then, climbed on your high horse. It's too bad that horse didn't take you to the high ground for which you'd hoped. You'd rather try to paint me as wrong than to actually read.

I apologize. Maybe I'm doing a bit of "mind reading" there so, I'll ask: Was it that you didn't want to read or were some of the words too big for you? Maybe get a grown up to help?


I don't need a grown-up to help. I did my research. I read the link, and I read others. Nothing has been presented in court. The article is inaccurate.

There is nothing that can be presented in court. Statue of limitations on both civil and criminal complaints have passed.

As Lucy pointed out, Allred said that she would hand it over for examination as part of an ethics probe, which may be the only way any of this gets addressed.

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RE: Aaaaand The Story Changes To ... - 12/9/2017 11:13:43 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul

There is nothing that can be presented in court. Statue of limitations on both civil and criminal complaints have passed.

As Lucy pointed out, Allred said that she would hand it over for examination as part of an ethics probe, which may be the only way any of this gets addressed.



Dig those heels in, but before you do, check another thread where Lucy conceded that there was, indeed, a court where the yearbook was presented as "evidence".

I'm unaware of it happening. I relied on the author of the piece. Of course you won't believe me, but Lucy and I had a rather protracted discussion about it in the "CNN Howlers" thread.





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RE: Aaaaand The Story Changes To ... - 12/9/2017 12:08:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr


quote:

ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul

There is nothing that can be presented in court. Statue of limitations on both civil and criminal complaints have passed.

As Lucy pointed out, Allred said that she would hand it over for examination as part of an ethics probe, which may be the only way any of this gets addressed.



Dig those heels in, but before you do, check another thread where Lucy conceded that there was, indeed, a court where the yearbook was presented as "evidence".

I'm unaware of it happening. I relied on the author of the piece. Of course you won't believe me, but Lucy and I had a rather protracted discussion about it in the "CNN Howlers" thread.





Yes, I read the thread. I believe Lucy conceded only because of the line in your OP where court is mentioned. However, that is still inaccurate. I have explained that in that thread. Research and all.

My heels are quite firmly dug in.

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RE: Aaaaand The Story Changes To ... - 12/9/2017 12:52:31 PM   
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Alabama has no statute of limitations regarding sexual relations with children under the age of consent.

To my knowledge, only one of the allegations can be considered such, under State law.

No matter how many girls over that age Roy Moore had, or tried to have sex with in his lifetime, only the one case can legally be considered. Statute of limitations has played out for the girl with the yearbook.

In fact, the more women that come along saying Roy Moore dated them when they were legally able to consent to such a relationship confuses matters further. If Alabama law defines the age of consent at 16 years old, then there is nothing illegal about having sex with someone over that age in Alabama. Nothing shocking about it when it's the law of the land. And in fact, no matter how many 16yo girls Moore has deflowered, it doesn't add up to anything that proves he attempted to have sex with the youngest alleged victim.

In truth, it's slut-shaming against Moore himself, many years after the fact.

To me, it's no different than using Bill Clinton's antics of consensual sex as evidence of any allegations of being improper with women.

So is the goal to demonize Roy Moore entirely? Or to hold him accountable for the inappropriate behavior he's accused of when a girl was 14? I think Alabama voters are seeing it more as the former, and probably rightfully so.

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RE: Aaaaand The Story Changes To ... - 12/9/2017 12:59:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: JVoV

Alabama has no statute of limitations regarding sexual relations with children under the age of consent.

To my knowledge, only one of the allegations can be considered such, under State law.

No matter how many girls over that age Roy Moore had, or tried to have sex with in his lifetime, only the one case can legally be considered.

In fact, the more women that come along saying Roy Moore dated them when they were legally able to consent to such a relationship confuses matters further. If Alabama law defines the age of consent at 16 years old, then there is nothing illegal about having sex with someone over that age in Alabama. Nothing shocking about it when it's the law of the land. And in fact, no matter how many 16yo girls Moore has deflowered, it doesn't add up to anything that proves he attempted to have sex with the youngest alleged victim.

In truth, it's slut-shaming against Moore himself, many years after the fact.

To me, it's no different than using Bill Clinton's antics of consensual sex as evidence of any allegations of being improper with women.

So is the goal to demonize Roy Moore entirely? Or to hold him accountable for the inappropriate behavior he's accused of when a girl was 14? I think Alabama voters are seeing it more as the former, and probably rightfully so.

I posted this in another thread in response to the SofL question.


Alabama Statutes of Limitations

Every state has its own unique statutes of limitation for both criminal and civil cases, which are essentially time limits for either filing a civil complaint or (for prosecutors) filing criminal charges on behalf of the state. In Alabama, most civil actions have a two-year statute of limitations, with exceptions including a six-year time limit for trespassing, rent collection, and debt collection. Alabama imposes a 12-month limit for all misdemeanors and a three-year time limit for most felonies, although the most serious crimes have no statutory time limits whatsoever, including murder, counterfeiting, arson, or sex offenses with minors under 16.
http://statelaws.findlaw.com/alabama-law/alabama-statutes-of-limitations.html

NOTE: this states that there is no statue of limitations for sex offenses. However, that was not passed into law until 1985, and only applies to cases after that time period. Incidents prior to 1985 are still subject to a statue of limitations of (I think) 5 years.

Also this:
http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2017/11/roy_moore_could_alabama_senate_1.html

According to the news article, the original statue of limitations was 3 years, not 5. For crimes after 1985, there is none.

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