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Overkill and not guilty - 12/8/2017 6:37:47 PM

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Former Cop Acquitted Of Fatally Shooting Unarmed Man Who Begged For His Life
The victim can be heard saying, “Please do not shoot me,” on video released after the verdict.

shot five times.... warning, the video is pretty graphic

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/arizona-cop-acquitted-shooting-unarmed-man_us_5a2abf5ee4b069ec48acd8db

After a former Arizona cop this week was acquitted of murder in the shooting death of an unarmed man, officials released video of the victim’s final moments.

On the nearly five-minute video, which was recorded by then-Mesa police officer Philip “Mitch” Brailsford’s body camera, an officer can be heard giving commands to 26-year-old Daniel Shaver in a La Quinta Inn & Suites hallway on Jan. 18, 2016.

“If you make a mistake, there is a very real possibility that … you will be shot,” one of the officers can be heard shouting. “I’m not here to be tactical or diplomatic with you.”

Brailsford and several other officers were at the hotel investigating a report of someone seen pointing a gun out a fifth-floor window. They suspected Shaver was involved.

Shaver, who had been ordered out of his hotel room by police, was commanded to lie facedown in the hallway and to refrain from making sudden movements.

The married father of two from Granbury, Texas, can be heard crying and appears confused by some of the officers’ commands. On the video, Shaver says, “Please do not shoot me,” as he obeys a command to crawl toward the officers.

As he inched forward, Shaver reached toward his waistband. The movement prompted Brailsford to fire his AR-15 rifle five times, killing Shaver.

The former cop said he suspected Shaver was reaching for a weapon. A detective assigned to investigate the case later said it appeared Shaver was attempting to pull his pants up.

No weapon was found on or near Shaver’s body. However, investigators did find two pellet rifles in his hotel room. Those rifles were reportedly related to Shaver’s pest-control job. Authorities later learned that he was at the hotel on a work-related trip.

Two months after the shooting, Brailsford was removed from the force for violations of departmental policy. Prosecutors ultimately charged him with second-degree murder and reckless manslaughter.

A Maricopa County jury deliberated for six hours this week before finding Brailsford not guilty on both counts on Thursday.

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RE: Overkill and not guilty - 12/8/2017 6:53:59 PM

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Was the video allowed to be used as evidence, or was it argued out as too prejudicial?

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RE: Overkill and not guilty - 12/8/2017 7:06:52 PM

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Im guessing it was because of this particular part:

"Footage of shooting, captured on two police on-body cameras, formed the foundation of the prosecution's case. The judge did not allow jurors to hear about an etching on the dust cover of the rifle Brailsford used to shoot Shaver, which said "You're f--ked," because he felt it was prejudicial."

taken from this reporting
https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/mesa-breaking/2017/12/07/philip-brailsford-verdict-daniel-shaver-killing/927052001/

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RE: Overkill and not guilty - 12/8/2017 7:11:01 PM

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Yeah. I dunno wtf is going on with our juries this month.

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RE: Overkill and not guilty - 12/8/2017 7:30:07 PM

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New Mexico school shooting....
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/aztec-high-school-shooting-identifications_us_5a2adcf7e4b0a290f0505f97?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009

Victims And Shooter At New Mexico’s Aztec High School Identified
The sheriff called the gunman by name only once, then referred to him mostly as a “coward.”

ANother "lone wolf "with a gun....
if the shooter had been "latina" it would have been all about illegals killing white kids.

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RE: Overkill and not guilty - 12/9/2017 6:38:39 AM

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addressing the op: imagine youre a cop in an intense situation, responding to a call where (if I am remembering this rightly) a gun has been reported. the suspect reaches for his side. you want to take the three seconds to discern if he is indeed pulling up his pants as opposed to drawing a weapon?

you want to go home alive, or dead? now, see if you can see that as simply putting yourself in the position of the cop, and the jury who acquitted him of murder charges.

ive argued before here for cops to be much more adept at using non-lethal force. this seems like an instance where they could have been very effectively employed.

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RE: Overkill and not guilty - 12/9/2017 2:38:56 PM

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An example of the increasing militarization of police forces combined with the legal concept of police not being convicted of line of duty incidents.

That officer looked and acted just as one would expect a soldier to act in a combat zone interacting with hostile combatants.

Why were the police using combat weapons in a hotel? Rifle shots can go right through walls and floors and kill people totally unrelated to the issue at hand?

More and more police seem to be becoming not police in a community but amateur military occupying a community.

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RE: Overkill and not guilty - 12/9/2017 3:32:59 PM

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quote:

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New Mexico school shooting....
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/aztec-high-school-shooting-identifications_us_5a2adcf7e4b0a290f0505f97?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009

Victims And Shooter At New Mexico’s Aztec High School Identified
The sheriff called the gunman by name only once, then referred to him mostly as a “coward.”

ANother "lone wolf "with a gun....
if the shooter had been "latina" it would have been all about illegals killing white kids.

Shouldn't this be a new thread?

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RE: Overkill and not guilty - 12/9/2017 3:56:10 PM

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i don't disagree, and I think with increased armament, comes a change in how cops view civilians.

or alternatively, the way they view civilians is leading them to increase armament.

I suspect the two create a harmful cycle.

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RE: Overkill and not guilty - 12/9/2017 10:07:07 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
Former Cop Acquitted Of Fatally Shooting Unarmed Man Who Begged For His Life
The victim can be heard saying, “Please do not shoot me,” on video released after the verdict.

shot five times.... warning, the video is pretty graphic

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/arizona-cop-acquitted-shooting-unarmed-man_us_5a2abf5ee4b069ec48acd8db

After a former Arizona cop this week was acquitted of murder in the shooting death of an unarmed man, officials released video of the victim’s final moments.

On the nearly five-minute video, which was recorded by then-Mesa police officer Philip “Mitch” Brailsford’s body camera, an officer can be heard giving commands to 26-year-old Daniel Shaver in a La Quinta Inn & Suites hallway on Jan. 18, 2016.

“If you make a mistake, there is a very real possibility that … you will be shot,” one of the officers can be heard shouting. “I’m not here to be tactical or diplomatic with you.”

Brailsford and several other officers were at the hotel investigating a report of someone seen pointing a gun out a fifth-floor window. They suspected Shaver was involved.

Shaver, who had been ordered out of his hotel room by police, was commanded to lie facedown in the hallway and to refrain from making sudden movements.

The married father of two from Granbury, Texas, can be heard crying and appears confused by some of the officers’ commands. On the video, Shaver says, “Please do not shoot me,” as he obeys a command to crawl toward the officers.

As he inched forward, Shaver reached toward his waistband. The movement prompted Brailsford to fire his AR-15 rifle five times, killing Shaver.

The former cop said he suspected Shaver was reaching for a weapon. A detective assigned to investigate the case later said it appeared Shaver was attempting to pull his pants up.

No weapon was found on or near Shaver’s body. However, investigators did find two pellet rifles in his hotel room. Those rifles were reportedly related to Shaver’s pest-control job. Authorities later learned that he was at the hotel on a work-related trip.

Two months after the shooting, Brailsford was removed from the force for violations of departmental policy. Prosecutors ultimately charged him with second-degree murder and reckless manslaughter.

A Maricopa County jury deliberated for six hours this week before finding Brailsford not guilty on both counts on Thursday.

Thanks for reminding me that I am so glad to live in the state of Georgia and NOT Arizona. Numerous problems in any state, but . . .

It seems as though Ariz. filters applicants for LE jobs to weed out the level headed and favor the wackos and the emotionally unstable (which seems to be the national trend the last 10 yrs. or so, but AZ is clearly leading the way). This is the same state which had that nutjob pervert sheriff who forced all jail inmates to wear pink underwear.

All that dry heat - > desiccated brain cells.

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RE: Overkill and not guilty - 12/9/2017 10:47:17 PM

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quote:

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addressing the op: imagine youre a cop in an intense situation,

Flubbing one's lips in public constitutes "an intense situation" for today's police, but in any case current police training is towards having the police themselves intensifying the situation as standard procedure, as was clearly the case here.

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the suspect reaches for his side. you want to take the three seconds to discern if he is indeed pulling up his pants as opposed to drawing a weapon?

So then, having uncorrected seriously bad vision seems to be another prerequisite for the modern police force. The suspect was surrounded by several police with seriously bad vision and assault rifles. Feel safer, now?

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now, see if you can see that as simply putting yourself in the position of the cop, and the jury who acquitted him of murder charges.

-It was an Arizona jury.-

Arizona makes Texas look like a bunch of flower-waving hippies.

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RE: Overkill and not guilty - 12/10/2017 4:23:10 AM

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its too bad none of your responses rise to the level of thoughtful adulthood, as opposed to what seems like a bald dislike of police as well as an indefensible besmirching of a large group of people, such that a meaningful conversation could ensue.

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RE: Overkill and not guilty - 12/10/2017 9:55:10 AM

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Look, this is another baby step toward what will essentially be a police state whether juries pick up on it or not.

What is being created or has been already, is a culture of allowing law enforcement to start at dispatch.

I mean come on, the juries are not getting the real case. You read it from the transcription here. With no probable cause to believe this man was armed or dangerous what does the 'officer' cop tell the other ? You could get shot ? Why ? How ?

Not here to be tactical or diplomatic. Oh no, that takes brains, something in short supply with millions in law enforcent.

NO...you are here to be scared, be warned and now when approaching the suspect, you get to do what ?

You get to shoot and kill legally because YOU thought YOUR life was in danger. What could be a more perfect way to legally kill people.

I thought I was in danger. That's enough for me...how about you ?

Now there's a warning for all of society. Do not ever let another person f e e l as if you put them in any danger...they get to kill you and even...if you didn't.

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RE: Overkill and not guilty - 12/10/2017 4:29:09 PM

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i don't disagree, and I think with increased armament, comes a change in how cops view civilians.

or alternatively, the way they view civilians is leading them to increase armament.

I suspect the two create a harmful cycle.

The attitude isn't new but the armament is recent. Post 9/11 police forces could obtain military surplus weaponry at less than cost or even free.

... attitude ... Remembering pulling duty as S.P. going to watch turnover with the local P.D. and having to bite my lip at one Watch Captain that always closed the shift meetings with "Remember, there are only two kinds of people out there; law officers and potential criminals."

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RE: Overkill and not guilty - 12/12/2017 12:09:54 AM

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i don't disagree, and I think with increased armament, comes a change in how cops view civilians.

or alternatively, the way they view civilians is leading them to increase armament.

I suspect the two create a harmful cycle.

Now, there you go again, revealing your prejudices against a large class of public servants who, like everyone else just wish to go home at 5 PM, stoke up the barbie, hoist a cold, refreshing brew with his neighbors, stoke up his neighbor's wife, and forget about the unarmed MF-er that tried to ruin his day by taking four or five rounds center body mass. Shame on your social justice ass.

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