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Now for something completely different - 5/9/2023 11:24:00 PM   
blnymph


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How to take care of quality teaching at schools:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/apr/30/florida-principal-david-statue-visits-florence

https://www.npr.org/2023/05/01/1173017248/florida-principal-david-michelangelo-visit-italy

https://www.laprensalatina.com/florence-welcomes-us-educator-fired-for-showing-students-naked-david/

https://www.artnews.com/art-news/news/florida-principal-ousted-michelangelo-david-controversy-florence-visit-1234666134/


only a quick selection of media in english (italian and other media galore for you to check yourselves)



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RE: Now for something completely different - 5/9/2023 11:39:52 PM   
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Yeah, good luck. The schools aren't about students they're about self-serving "Democrat" Teachers Unions pushing radical political dogma

What is it, 0% proficiency in many schools in "Democrat" cities such as Chicago and Baltimore

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11774133/Report-reveals-no-students-proficient-math-reading-60-Illinois-schools.html

https://www.foxnews.com/media/outrage-twitter-baltimore-reveals-zero-students-proficient-math-across-23-schools-failure

You want a good school? Opt out of the public miseducation system







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RE: Now for something completely different - 5/10/2023 4:49:46 AM   
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I think I had good schools, or at least I learned stuff. Eating paste & sniffing markers is are important life skills.

Teacher unions have too much control. School boards have too much control. Politics shouldn't be a factor in our education system, but it is. I'm sure the school system has changed greatly since I finished, but it hasn't improved. Children still get left behind, and there is nothing common among the states except failure.

So how to fix the school system? Depends on what we're talking about. Elementary, middle, high school, or college & vo-tech? Cuz there's a long way to go with all of them, and I don't think private schools are doing much better at actually getting better.

There should be realistic goals for every grade level, to measure a child's learning track, and to ensure that they are learning basic math, science, English arts, and social studies each year. And parents should absolutely be involved in their child's school, as much as possible! (More on that in a bit.) Teachers need to be treated better by everyone! Schools have to be safer, without becoming prisons for the kids.

Vo-tech should be included in any talks about higher education, and it really should be considered a viable alternative to college, as we are always going to need more tradesmen than underwater basket weavers. Vo-tech always had a stigma when I was going to school, like being a blue collar worker was a bad thing. The emphasis was on college, even if you had to go into the military first to pay for it.

Parental involvement is always important in a child's education. But parents range from one sort of lunatic to another, and the teachers have to deal with it. On the parent's terms usually, not the teacher's. There are so many avenues available for parents to have an impact on their child's education, from teach conferences & bake sales to field trips & PTA meetings. There's always school board meetings, or even running for a seat on it, if you want to take on a bigger role. But what we see now is mostly crazy & entitled parents pushing too hard for such dumb things, while I'm not seeing clips of anybody pushing for actual education issues.

Yes, education should be different than when I went to school. You know how many times I was LIED TO & then tested on those lies, to make sure they sank in? Columbus did not discover America, he never even set foot on North America. "World History" just taught me the history of white people that eventually came to the US. Not very worldly really. So history needs to teach actual facts, and not indoctrinate kids with any revisionist or white-washing bs. School libraries should have at least 10 books that make parents say wtf, otherwise, the librarians haven't done their jobs. And yeah, the Bible should be there, as should all major religious books.

And children should learn about the Constitution, their rights & responsibilities as a citizen, and how to adult. Home ec should be mandatory for high school students, and basic cooking or other life skills (like paying your taxes) should be part of that. We probably need to look at college entrance requirements, and compare them with high school graduation requirements. The basics of critical thinking should be taught, but the kids should be able to decide what to think critically about. Hopefully everything! At least everything important, and we have no idea what will be important to them in their adult lives.

There may also need to be a class on how to be "normal", and what to do if you don't think you are. Yeah, everything we know that isn't white CIS hetero is "other". This includes race, sexuality, gender-identity, mental health, general economic levels, criminal activity, etc. Anything that we know could be different than the mainstream needs to be touched on, so that none of these kids ever have to feel like something is wrong with them. And so that all the kids know that some people are different, and it's really not that big a deal, until it is, and how to know the difference. This would cut down on bullying in general, and teach kids they're ok, even if they're all kinda fucked up.

Inappropriate thoughts are normal. Inappropriate actions will probably have consequences. No means no for everybody. Everyone has the right to be who they are, and should feel confident enough in themselves to deal with general situations.

.ost importantly, we need to look at what organizations are teaching kids, and consider bringing some of that into the curriculum. Most organizations are created because the school system is and has been failing children on certain things, for a long long time. The basics of Boy)Girl Scouts should be taught in schools. How to tie a tie needs to be taught. What happens during puberty, and what can be done to counter the bad things needs to be taught. It shouldn't be such a big deal, to them or to others when the expected happens.

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RE: Now for something completely different - 5/11/2023 12:16:49 AM   
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Thank you for your long explanation of the US education as it is, was, should be. It helped me understand a lot of my past experiences with US university students abroad. I would not agree with most of your ideas for improvements, yes in general but not at all in detail. That some parent/s who considered any depiction of a nude human figure as pornography could pressure a teacher to resign turned your school system into an international laughing stock but showed only a symptom of what was going wrong. Not only that once.

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RE: Now for something completely different - 5/12/2023 11:19:23 PM   
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I would think it difficult to understand, much less change any system you don't know specifically without being destructive of all the good things it has to offer, simply due to being ignorant of them. Getting my Master's degree over 20 years ago, I'm not even certain I'd be qualified to change my alma mater's campus. But I can recognize problems pointed out to by those on the right, and compare them against what I did know, the things I saw that needed to be changed.

I don't recognize the chaotic scenes and extreme leftist takeovers of campuses that is shown on right-wing media sources. And I honestly have no idea how schools are now, unless a school shows up on the news.

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