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RE: Marriage in Gorean life - 8/31/2006 3:51:19 AM   
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watching and observing along with the written word can cause beliefs to develop and deepen and become cognitive schemas that grow into more than just a passing perception.

this isn't too any one in particular just a side note

just girls 02

wishing all well

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RE: Marriage in Gorean life - 8/31/2006 10:25:09 AM   
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Tal Unnamed,

All philosophers intend their philosophies to change minds, and societies, and work toward the improvement of the knowledge of man.  The fact that Lange is a philosopher by profession guarantees this.  It is not conjecture on my part.  That is a fact of the nature of philosophy as a discipline.  So, there is no way, despite what Norman , the author, might say in the public eye, that John Lange did not, at some level, expect the philosophy to have an impact on those who read it.  The truth then would be that the impact was not what he expected, and not that he had no expectation of impact.

Since you claim to be "The Gorean", I would think that you would spend less time trying to refute the philosophy that is presented, and more time pleading its case.  Since you cannot seem to do that, I have to assume that not only are you not "The Gorean", but perhaps not even "a Gorean".

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RE: Marriage in Gorean life - 8/31/2006 4:53:33 PM   
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starshine,

I am not sure what you took from my post but I was merely pointing out to Omega that he lives in a fantasy world.  I am all for everyone here asking, and learning about Gor as it is lived here on earth. There is a line that people of normal intelect draw.  I just don't want someone to tell them that they are not Gorean if they draw their line a little closer to reality. 

The Gorean
 

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RE: Marriage in Gorean life - 8/31/2006 5:02:08 PM   
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Omega,

I am done with you.  I have spent enough time trying to return you to the real philosophy as it is written, not as you twist it to suit your needs.  Please go on with your life and live as you will but don't tell others they are not Gorean if they don't see things your way.  I defend your right to see it your way but not more than I defend any other persons right do do the same.

Now, lets try to get back on topic here:

Since many expressed the belief that you can only marry an FC does that imply that you must marry the woman you would take as FC? if not, then what is your premis for either arguement.

The Gorean  

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RE: Marriage in Gorean life - 8/31/2006 5:12:08 PM   
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I often wonder why it is that though time people argue about how another person lives.  I have seen the Gor vs. BD/SM debates...i have always thought that it was no big deal.  Why does it matter how each other chooses to live their lives?  
I know i have said this quite a few times.....most likely i will say it again.   With this statement here RedDragonFreehold.....you finally showed your colors.
quote:

Since you claim to be "The Gorean", I would think that you would spend less time trying to refute the philosophy that is presented, and more time pleading its case.  Since you cannot seem to do that, I have to assume that not only are you not "The Gorean", but perhaps not even "a Gorean".

What a shame that you assume...

~smilezz~ 



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RE: Marriage in Gorean life - 8/31/2006 5:14:38 PM   
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fyre,

I believe that the bible was intended to be nothing more than a collection of stories based on a common philosophy.  In the reading of it and the preservation of the stories inside it became a religion and a structure for beliefs.  The first chapters of the new testiment were not written for over 200 years after the death of Jesus.  There were books edited to suit the needs of kings, there were books left out completely.  There were misinterpretations and exadurations.  The average man of the time rarely lived past 50 so we are talking about 4-5 generations of twists before things were put to ink.

Not to that you said anything about religion but you speak well of beliefs and religion is all based on belief.

Maybe we are forming a new religion, we have already ben labeled a cult afterall

The Gorean

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RE: Marriage in Gorean life - 8/31/2006 5:25:19 PM   
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Greetings TheGorean,

a girl thanks You for responding.
this one was speaking ,in general, of personal cognitive schemas. these beliefs could include many ideals,religion included amongst those.

wishing you well

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RE: Marriage in Gorean life - 8/31/2006 6:50:48 PM   
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Tal Unnamed,

You really don't know me well enough to tell whether I live in a fantasy world or not.  FYI, I live this 24/7 in the real world, and I have managed to bring roughly 85% of the philosophy to the real world.  I live full time with a Free Companion and two kajira.  Kajira, I might add, who are kept as nearly to slaves in the books as possible, right down to their wearing silks every day, and being whipped for misbehavior.

It only sounds like "fantasy" to those who lack both the heart and the courage to achieve what is achievable.  I am living proof that it can be done.  Now, why don't you belly up to my bar.  It is apparent that your expectations of yourself are set to too low a standard.

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RE: Marriage in Gorean life - 8/31/2006 9:47:39 PM   
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Omega,

I have  read you for years online and what I believe of you is that you are a fraud. Since I started trying to repair the damage you bring to the philosophy through your misrepresentation of it here, I have recieved many e-mails telling me things about you.  I, as you stated, do not know you well enough to state that you are a fraud, I still believe it.  Further more there are many who aparently do know you and they seem to agree. 

When it comes to your 85 % what do you use to measure that? Do you have a list of things that make you a Gorean?  How do you pick the other 15%? Having slaves doesn't make you Gorean, (there is no pic of your FC, interesting but unimportant).

Now lets talk about standards.  First, slaves in silks are not dressed apropriately for working in the house. Are they just couch meat?  Second, if you have to whip them more than on rare occasions then you failed to teach them to respect you enough to not misbehave, or you failed to teach them right the first time.

When I am belly up I may be able to slide under your bar, till then I will stand tall knowing that I am honest, with myself and those around me. I will never need an image of myself other than the one that is true, and lastly I never need to seek out acceptance of others hiding behind pics from days long since past, or big words, or long responses to yes/no questions which never get answered.   

Seriously, this is the last off topic response you will get from me.

The Gorean

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RE: Marriage in Gorean life - 9/1/2006 7:36:11 AM   
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Tal Unnamed,

More blandishments and glittering generalities.  Since there are only a handful who really know me well, I find it hard to believe that your sources, regardless of their claims, are accurate in their assessment.  They would not know me, other than that "Gorean Asshole".  Something I find is not a bad thing to be.

I take the references of 25, now 26, books, and constantly measure what I have brought across from the pure philososphy.  I am not talking those things that equate to fantasy in the books.  There is, for instance, no such thing as a tarn or sleen.  They are ideas, and in many ways iconic, and you can bring the ideas to Earth, and understand them, and apply the pertinent portions of them.  For instance, the importance of the flora and fauna that Norman devised for the Gorean landscape is that it all has evolved into the most survivable, and it is all strong, and vicious, and does what it need to do to perpetuate itself.  The sleen, the tarn, the larl, even the leech plant.  They are all survivors on a natural world where nature accepts no weakness, and on Gor, mankind has been forced to live within nature, and has evolved to be a competitor within nature and the natural order, instead of usurping its place, and destroying nature in the process (a destruction both physically and metaphysically.  Man on Earth, elevated by man to the status of God, feels that he does not need to be natural, that he can socialize all that away. 

Understand these are not my words.  They are merely paraphrasings of Norman's words.  If you don't like Norman's words, see my last post.

On Gor, as in my house, slaves had "silks" for work and "silks" for play.  They are still correctly termed "silks" even if they are made from the Earthly equivilent of rep cloth. 

You, obviously, fail to understand that all girls, coming from Earth as they do, tend to wax Earth-girl, from time to time, and, just like in the books, when that happens, they are punished.  I am constantly amazed at how close to the beam Norman got in his descriptions of Elinor Brinton's mental state, and how closely they approach the kajira of Earth.

You are standing as tall as you can, and from what I can see, you are nowhere close to touching my bar.  "Big words" come with knowledge, learning, education, and other things that you might want to investigate for yourself.  It speaks to the simplicity of your mind when you think that you are asking questions that can be answered in such simplistic fashions as "yes or no".  Ultimately, the question is answered completely, just, maybe, not to your liking.  It seems that having to think about the answer is a bit tough for you.

Be well,




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RE: Marriage in Gorean life - 9/1/2006 4:37:06 PM   
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Omega,

To paraphrase is to restate something in your own words to clarify the meaning.

Please get back on topic.

The Gorean

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RE: Marriage in Gorean life - 9/1/2006 5:01:50 PM   
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Greetings Master Omega,

elinor was by far the worst behaved of all the earth girls that had been brought to Gor that this one can think of.
granted this one is missing a few of the books still and has not read all of them, but elinor ,epitomized everything in a woman that this one can not stand.
Rask of Treve had to punish her,humiliate her,brand her ,whip her publicly, have slaves switch her, keep her in the box for days before she was able to grasp the concepts of Gor and a Masters will.

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RE: Marriage in Gorean life - 9/2/2006 8:25:38 AM   
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Tal Unnamed,

Or to state something that is not a direct quote, in a simpler, and more concise manner.

Potatoe potato

Be well,

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RE: Marriage in Gorean life - 9/2/2006 8:40:11 AM   
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Can we all play "my penis is shinier than your penis", or is this a game for two?....Is it okay if we use a store bought one?

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RE: Marriage in Gorean life - 9/2/2006 1:14:12 PM   
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Greetings, puella....
just as girl went and commented about mising your posts here,over in the General BDSM section....

Best wishes to thee and thine,
with all respect, and in hopes that this is pleasing to the Free
bina, of Wolf



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RE: Marriage in Gorean life - 9/2/2006 8:34:51 PM   
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Wow gone for a week and look what happens, talk about off track. 

While I defend Omegas right to "espouse" anything he wants to here, I have known him face to face and can tall you he is exactly the same here as in real life.  I disagree with him on many levels and I disagree with trying to change him.  He said it best of all, he is known as The Asshole of Gor and he happens to be proud of that. someone has to be. 

I want to be the heart of Gor, maybe the brains, I may even be contented as the penis of Gor, though that may belong to "The Gorean" since he is directlty opposite Omega. To answer you puella, yes please, show me your penis.

Jarl Torvald 

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RE: Marriage in Gorean life - 9/2/2006 8:44:22 PM   
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Hehe, Jarl..

Well welcome back to the madness, if nothing else.

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RE: Marriage in Gorean life - 9/3/2006 5:28:18 AM   
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Tal Torvald,

That one is going to be a tough sell, especially from those of us who know you.

Be well,


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RE: Marriage in Gorean life - 9/3/2006 7:19:09 AM   
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I beg your pardon Master,
I am doggishly submissive and slaveminded man.
Which would be my place in the Gorean Lifestyle?
Kajirus 375

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RE: Marriage in Gorean life - 9/3/2006 9:12:45 AM   
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nevermind

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