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LEGAL SYSTEM JARGON AND THE JUDICIAL PROCESS ( whats ha... - 4/17/2004 4:20:56 AM   
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National Coalition for Sexual Freedom -- Media Update
April 08, 2004
NCSFREEDOM.ORG
media @ ncsfreedom.org

1. Club focusing on fringe sexuality denied ECU association
2. Case sparks dialogue about judicial process
3. Judge denies dominatrix's motions to dismiss
4. "Gaypril" Commences With Open Mic
5. Administration wages war on pornography
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Club focusing on fringe sexuality denied ECU association:
Informational BDSM organization will continue without university approval
by Holly O'Neal
The East Carolinian (Greenville, NC)
April 08, 2004

The nine members and 50 pending members of an ECU organization for
individuals interested in sadomasochist sexuality will not have an
official tie to the university. Dominique Marshall, the group's founder,
was informed of the decision last week.

In a letter to Marshall, Vice Chancellor for Student Life Garrie Moore,
who approves campus organizations, said he could not approve this group
because he felt it didn't support ECU's mission statement.

[Moore said] "I support free speech ... however, I was concerned that I
protect students and the general public from a type of group that would
insult or present itself in a way that would conflict with
appropriateness and standards of civility and common courtesy."

Marshall formed the group, originally called ECU BDSM (bondage,
discipline and sadomasochism) in October 2002. She sought university
recognition and approval in October 2003.

"I was personally interested in BDSM when I came here as a freshman,"
said Marshall. "But there was no group for it. I wanted to go to a place
where people would not judge me, and I saw other students needed that as
well."
To read this article, go to: THE EAST CAROLINIAN
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Case sparks dialogue about judicial process
by Tom Barton
Iowa State Daily
April 08, 2004

A meeting attended last Friday by Government of the Student Body
members, Director of the Office of Judicial Affairs Bethany Schuttinga
and Dean of Students Pete Englin was the first in what officials
promised to be a series of discussions that could lead to change in the
judiciary.

A case involving a campus bondage and sadomasochism group, Cuffs, raised
concerns about impartiality in the process. Schuttinga investigated,
charged and decided the case.

However, GSB members stressed the meeting was not about Cuffs and said
they're working to shift focus away from the group and onto what they
said is a bigger issue.

"It would be hard to say that [Cuffs] wasn't responsible for spurring
the idea of creating the meeting," said GSB Graduate College senator Dan
Christenson, who was at the meeting. "Cuffs really made us more aware of
how the judicial system works, but it's not about Cuffs; it's about the
judicial process."

[cont.]

To read this article, go to: IOWA STATE DAILY
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Judge denies dominatrix's motions to dismiss
The Associated Press
via The Worchester Telegram and Gazette
April 07, 2004

DEDHAM, Mass.- A judge on Wednesday denied motions filed by a
dominatrix's seeking to dismiss manslaughter and dismemberment charges
against her.

Barbara Asher, 54, who went by the name Mistress Lauren M, allegedly
dismembered and disposed of the body of client Michael Lord in July 2000
after he had a fatal heart attack during a bondage session.

Asher, who pleaded innocent, filed motions to dismiss the charges,
claiming there is no evidence Lord, of North Hampton, N.H., was ever in
her apartment. Lord's remains have never been recovered and Asher
maintains that the retired telephone company worker may still be alive.

[cont.]

To read this article, go to:
DEDHAM MASS.
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"Gaypril" Commences With Open Mic
by Claire Provost
The Harvard Crimson
April 06, 2004

About 30 students gathered in Boylston Hall last night to kick off
"Gaypril", a month set to include gay pride celebrations, a day of
silence to raise awareness about the prevalance of homophobia, and a
panel of sadomasochism experts.

Gaypril, which has been hosted by the Bisexual, Gay, Lesbian,
Transgender and Supporters Alliance (BGLTSA) for nearly a decade, serves
to "promote the visibility and strength of a BGLTQ community on campus",
said co-chair Stephanie M. Skier '05.

In an event unique to this year's Gaypril, BGLTSA will present a
screening on April 26 of "Toilet Training", a documentary about
discriminiation linked to gender-segregated bathrooms, accompanied by
findings from a study on bathroom access on and near campus. For the
past few months the BGLTSA has conducted a thorough investigation of
Harvard buildings and dorms to locate gender-neutral and gender-specific
bathrooms.

[cont.]

To read this article, go to:
THE CRIMSON AT HARVARD
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Administration wages war on pornography:
Obscenity: For the first time in 10 years, the U.S. government is
spending millions to file charges across the country
by Laura Sullivan
Baltimore Sun
April 06, 2004

WASHINGTON - Lam Nguyen's job is to sit for hours in a chilly, quiet
room devoid of any color but gray and look at pornography. This job,
which Nguyen does earnestly from 9 to 5, surrounded by a half-dozen
other "computer forensic specialists" like him, has become the focal
point of the Justice Department's operation to rid the world of porn.

In this field office in Washington, 32 prosecutors, investigators and a
handful of FBI agents are spending millions of dollars to bring
anti-obscenity cases to courthouses across the country for the first
time in 10 years. Nothing is off limits, they warn, even soft-core cable
programs such as HBO's long-running Real Sex or the adult movies widely
offered in guestrooms of major hotel chains.

Department officials say they will send "ripples" through an industry
that has proliferated on the Internet and grown into an estimated $10
billion-a-year colossus profiting Fortune 500 corporations such as
Comcast, which offers hard-core movies on a pay-per-view channel.

[cont.]

To read this article, go to:
THE BALTIMORE SUN

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HOW TO WRITE A LETTER TO THE EDITOR

Feedback letters are an effective way to convey a positive image of
alternate sexual practices such as SM, swinging, or polyamory. You can
help to correct negative social myths and misconceptions about these
types of practices. These letters help achieve the advocacy goals of the
NCSF.

Generally, for a letter to be published, it's important to include your
name (or first initial, last name), city and daytime phone (for
verification only). For more information, see:

LETTERS TO THE EDITORS NCS FREEDOM
Please alert us to positive, negative or neutral stories about SM,
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the U.S. in order to guarantee equal rights for consenting adults who
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swing, and polyamory communities, who often face discrimination because
of their sexual expression.

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RE: LEGAL SYSTEM JARGON AND THE JUDICIAL PROCESS ( what... - 4/17/2004 7:09:04 AM   
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quote:

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny;
when the government fears the people, there is liberty"
Thomas Jefferson


But Dissent We Must
The problem with the "My Country, Right or Wrong" attitude is that it allows our government to go terribly wrong in many ways that may not be made right again for a long time, if ever. As Rep. Rivers pointed out Saturday, once laws are made that are supposed to help law enforcement in some way, they are almost never repealed because Members of Congress don't want to be seen as "soft on terrorism, soft on crime, soft on drugs."
Carry this a little farther. What about treason charges? At what point does it become illegal to speak out against a planned US government action that, on its face, is being taken to fight against the Terrorist Enemy, whoever he or she may be, even though that action may have very bad, long-term consequences for ordinary American citizens who want nothing more that to live their own lives quietly without being afraid of their own government?
Rep. Rivers said half the people in her district's gut reaction to the idea of legislation allowing government to read their email without getting a warrant first was along the lines of, "So what? I don't break any laws, so I have nothing to hide."
EPIC activist Kathleen Ellis told Rep. Rivers she believed questions about privacy should not be asked in the context of email. "Ask people if they should have the right to keep a secret and almost all of them will answer 'Of course,'" she said. Ellis also mentioned that cryptography is the email equivalent of an envelope on a letter sent by postal mail. "Unencrypted email is like a postcard," she said, "open for anyone to read. Ask people if they want all mail to be as open as a postcard and they're going to say no."
From that point on, the meeting focused on tactics. The
From that point on, the meeting focused on tactics. The question in the room wasn't, "Are privacy and freedom of speech good?" but "What can we do to protect our privacy and freedom of speech?"
Background on the Meeting Itself
The forum in which all this discussion took place was decidedly unofficial. It was an informal meeting thrown together hastily by local Linux user and ham radio afficianado Rob Carlson. Carlson sent a meeting notice to several email lists and posted it at cluebot.com. 13 people showed up at Saturday's gathering, most of whom were Baltimore and Washington D.C. area privacy advocates and/or Linux users. I was there myself for that reason. Wired News reporter Declan McCullagh is another "local" who hangs in the same circles, which explained his presence.
Rep. Rivers was there because her husband, William Simpson, is a computer consultant involved with the Internet Engineering Task Force [IETF] who spotted Carlson's notice on one of the cryptography-oriented email lists he's on. He had driven Rivers' chief of staff, who needed to get back to Washington but was marooned in Michigan by the airlines shutdown, to D.C., and was taking his Congresswoman wife back to her district for a little rest and some scheduled meetings (Congress had adjourned until Friday, Sept. 21), and they noticed that UMBC was on their way. So there they were, not dressed in "mover and shaker" clothing but looking like anyone else taking a 1000+ mile car trip.
One doesn't usually think of a Member of Congress fitting in with a group of downdressed geeks, but this one sure did. We only knew what she did for a living because Carlson asked everyone in the little circle to identify themselves by name and job, and when it was her turn Rep. Rivers gave her name as "Lynn," then added "Rivers," and softly, sort of as an aside, mentioned that she was "in Congress." Her husband had already mentioned that they were "from Michigan," which was curious enough in itself for a meeting with a decidedly local orientation. But Linux folks are friendly, and Rep. Rivers was as welcome as anyone else even though she was from out of town -- and freely admitted she used Mac OS, not Linux, both at home and in her office.
When he organized the meeting, Carlson said, "I didn't know whether no one or 100 people would show up." 13 did. And revolutions have started with as few as 13 people, so why shouldn't a strong pro-Constitution lobbying movement? The next step is to get 13 more, and another 13, and so on. This means calling and emailing friends until there are 13X13X13X13.... people talking to their elected representatives about privacy issues in terms they can understand, that will help them change their minds.
How You Can Lobby Against Anti-Privacy Laws
Start with this line Rep. Rivers laid on us, which is not new but needs to be said over and over: "Democracy is not a spectator sport."
Those Americans who don't vote, no matter how they excuse this failure, have no right to criticize their government. And those who don't bother to tell their elected representatives what they want and don't want their government to do should not act shocked when the government passes laws they don't like. It gets sickening, going to hearing after hearing about proposed laws like UCITA, DMCA, and SSSCA and always seeing a whole bunch of industry lobbyists wearing expensive suits, but hardly ever anyone who could be classified as an "ordinary citizen."
You need to make some noise instead of letting "them" talk while you sit around and let "them" get their way. Pump up the volume. Take some of the time you spend posting on Slashdot and register to vote. Write email and snail mail letters, send faxes, and make phone calls to Congresspeople and Senators and other representatives, and tell other people (13X13X13X13.... voices, remember) to do the same. This, not just complaining, is what this whole representative government thing is all about.
Rep. Rivers says phone calls "...have a sense of personal contact to them," and this makes them the most effective grassroots lobbying tool. "Stick to one issue," she advises. "Don't come up with a laundry list."
Also send email and write letters, even though they probably won't have as much impact as calls. And don't forget the fax machine; reps who are too technically unhip to read email read faxes. The ACLU and NRA have both famously used fax as a means of rapid communication with legislators for many years.
Now comes the matter of what to say. A letter, call or email that starts with something like, "I has nevir voted for you I am not registered to vote but you got to lisen to me," will go nowhere, says Rivers, pointing out that many pro-Napster messages she got were along those lines -- and got ignored. Better, she says, is something that tells your representative you are a computer professional (or manager or student or business owner or whatever) whose business, occupation or future will be hurt by whatever legislation you are working against. In this case (this week), privacy and online crypto are under attack. Next week, who knows?
So you're not a business owner? Know any? Know anyone who depends on privacy to transact their business? How about your doctor? Doesn't he or she want to keep patient records confidential? Ditto any lawyer you know. If a lawyer is serious about maintaining client trust, he or she certainly doesn't want the government snooping on email through Carnivore or a similar system with a less aggressive name. Other businesses have client information they want to private, along with trade secrets and other information they would rather not share with competitors. These are all points to bring up rationally, in an orderly debate format, when communicating with an elected rep, and they are ones you should ask others to bring up, too.
Stay calm, in other words. Assume your representative is sane and really wants to do what's right and what most people want, based on the input he or she gets. Your trick is to become part of that input, and right now the input you need to give must be strong and focused because Congress is caught up in post-attack hysteria and, like the rest of us, is saying, "We need to do something to help those poor victims and their families and make sure nothing this awful ever happens again."
The only problem here is that what Congress does is make laws, not post on Slashdot, and a law made in the same emotional heat as a flame post on Slashdot can't be moderated down to -1 after it is passed. Once that law is on the books, if you break it you can be arrested, tried, and fined or sent to jail. You've heard the saying, "If [guns/crypto/brains] are outlawed, only outlaws will have [guns/crypto/brains]." It's true, you know.
Right now, legitimate Americans are in danger of having many of their Constitutional freedoms revoked by a government that is doing its best, possibly in a misguided way, to protect its citizens. This is not about Disney's copyrights or the freedom to play DVDs on computers running Linux. The current debate is about much more basic issues than those, issues I will not repeat here because they have been written about so extensively elsewhere.
An Aside: How Congress Works
Rep. Rivers said it this way: "The House [of Representatives] is ruled by brute force."
Since she was talking to geeks who follow such things, she used the DMCA as an example. She told us that the "unanimous" vote that got DMCA through the House was not really unanimous at all; that the bill got through a committee dominated by a powerful chairman (which is how bills generally get to the floor for a vote) and that the Speaker called for a voice vote. "Most yelled 'Aye,'" Rivers said, and some yelled 'Nay.'"
The voices yelling "Aye" were the loudest, so DMCA passed by acclamation. Brute Force. People yelling at the top of their lungs. If 50 loud voices had yelled "Nay" instead of "Aye," perhaps we wouldn't have the DMCA as law today, and the EFF wouldn't be begging for money to get it overturned in the courts.
Now think about a Member of Congress who is hearing, right now, from all the "Kill-the-Arab-bastards-and-stamp-out-Internet-porn" crowd loudly and repeatedly by phone, fax, mail and email, but isn't hearing from you. Who is shouting the loudest? Which wheel is so squeaky that it is going to get the grease? So far, it's not the voices of reason and Constitutionality. They are getting drowned out. Heck, they are hardly there at all. At least Rep. Rivers isn't hearing them, and if she isn't hearing them -- with her ear attuned to Internet privacy matters and a totally Net-hip husband at her side -- you can bet the rest of Congress don't even know those voices (yours) exist.
Don't Delay! Do It Today!
Congress reconvenes Friday, September 21. The anti-privacy bills and anti-privacy amendments to various anti-terrorist bills are being written now, not someday. This means you must act immediately. If you put off those calls and emails to friends asking them to help support their right to communicate with each other in private, and to live without fear of police breaking down their doors or seizing their computer hard drives without warrants for even a few days, it is going to be too late. We are in the grip of national hysteria. A $40 billion appropriations bill to support the war on terrorism was passed a few days ago, with bipartisan support, almost without debate.
I'm going to admit that I am as ready to kick terrorist butt as anyone else, so I can't really blame Congress for being so gung-ho that it will pass all kinds of measures that will make America a less free country for decades to come in response to the current emergency. All I'm really asking Congress to do -- and asking you to join me in asking Congress to do, and to convince 13X13X13.... others to ask your Representative and your Senator to do -- is remember that the freedoms that make this country great must not be forgotten in our rush to avenge our fallen fellow Americans and our attempts to keep ourselves safe from future terrorist attacks.
Specifically (concentrate on one issue, remember), as a Net user I am concerned about watching our online privacy and freedoms evaporate if the government makes strong cryptography illegal or tries to have it controlled by agencies like the NSA, CIA, and FBI, or starts reading all of our private email without due cause and legitimate judicial warrants.

How to find your representative
How to contact your senator


Governments do not like nonconformists generally, unless they directly increase the influence of governments: goverment benefited research by scientists (Einstein/nukes) OTHERWISE they are considered a danger to society
OK, here's the deal: When the Federal marshals show up at my door to demand I uninstall PGP n PGS, I'll think seriously about it. Until then:

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RE: LEGAL SYSTEM JARGON AND THE JUDICIAL PROCESS ( what... - 4/17/2004 8:43:51 AM   
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Just FYI, this piece is credited as follows:

Preserve Your Rights Online
Written by Robin Miller
September 18, 2001
copyright 2001, Robin MIller


Dread, it's generally a good netiquette to post your sources, rather than putting up things as if they're your own work. Authors are entitled to credit for their ideas, especially when it's copyrighted.

-- Sherri

< Message edited by SherriA -- 4/17/2004 11:45:12 AM >


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RE: LEGAL SYSTEM JARGON AND THE JUDICIAL PROCESS ( what... - 4/17/2004 3:10:25 PM   
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Shit! I typed a reply to Dread's post, not how she posted and screwed up on the spell check. Why can't that ever happen to short posts?

Anyway, I expect a deluge. I agree with the non-BDSM side on some cases.

In the college things Most State Universities get funding from the State. Even if it does not I bet they allow students to get Pell grants and other Federal Financial aid. Some of which goes to the student fee that pays for those groups. Does anyone realistically think a Baptist minister should have no right on how his money is spent?

Don’t get me wrong. Adults have a right to do whatever they want. They do not have a right to stick someone else with the bill.

The Dominatrix is charged with disposing a body. She is charged with disposing evidence. The lack of that evidence is not sufficient proof that she should not be even charged. Not found guilty, charged; different standard of proof there. (If there wasn’t why would we bother with trials.) (Besides you didn’t you expect me to come out against a right for Dominatrix to hide bodies. )

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RE: LEGAL SYSTEM JARGON AND THE JUDICIAL PROCESS ( what... - 4/17/2004 10:22:32 PM   
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sherri thats why I stuck the links to take folks directly to the articles where the original writings with the writers names are at um duhhhh"?If I was claiming any thing in My Post My name and copy write would of been clearly seen.

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RE: LEGAL SYSTEM JARGON AND THE JUDICIAL PROCESS ( what... - 4/18/2004 7:22:21 AM   
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Dread,

I just went back and looked again, and I don't see a link to the article you posted. I see links to how to contact your government representatives (house and senate websites), and your personal sites, but nothing at all giving credit to the original author, which is why I posted the info. Not kewl to take credit for someone else's work, imnsho.

-- Sherri

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RE: LEGAL SYSTEM JARGON AND THE JUDICIAL PROCESS ( what... - 4/18/2004 7:50:56 AM   
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I see several "To read this article" Links in her post.

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RE: LEGAL SYSTEM JARGON AND THE JUDICIAL PROCESS ( what... - 4/18/2004 10:08:23 AM   
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Your blind sherri The whole posting comes from one place it just dident fit in one post duhhhh your really showing your smarts today on this one.........

Thanks ProDomme its good to know One person with sum sence in reading.

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RE: LEGAL SYSTEM JARGON AND THE JUDICIAL PROCESS ( what... - 4/18/2004 4:50:51 PM   
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I wasn't referring to the NCSF update. I was referring to the following piece that Dread posted. My comments should have shown up attached to that post, since that's where I replied to it.

The NCSF Media updates are very good about linking to the original articles, and yes, those links were included.

However, in the follow up piece which starts "But Dissent We Must", there were no links to the original article, and no credit given to the copyrighted author. That was my beef, not the NSCF posting.

Clear as mud?

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RE: LEGAL SYSTEM JARGON AND THE JUDICIAL PROCESS ( what... - 4/18/2004 4:57:09 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MistressDREAD
Your blind sherri The whole posting comes from one place it just dident fit in one post duhhhh your really showing your smarts today on this one


Dread, if you'll look at the thread, you'll see that my comments were NOT referring to the NCSF Media update that you copied here. I was talking about the article you posted after that, in which you gave no credit to the author and no link to anywhere that credits her.

I have the April 8 NCSF Update as posted to the SM-Act list, and it does NOT include the article by Robin, as you seem to be suggesting, nor did it include that article in any of the other several placed that I received it.

So what didn't fit into one post? And again, where was the author credited? Please feel free to point it out to me, since I can't see credit given to her anywhere other than what I posted.

-- Sherri

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RE: LEGAL SYSTEM JARGON AND THE JUDICIAL PROCESS ( what... - 4/18/2004 5:02:54 PM   
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quote:

Clear as mud?



Why yes, very clear. That was a most needed comment, I applaud your tact ;)

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RE: LEGAL SYSTEM JARGON AND THE JUDICIAL PROCESS ( what... - 4/18/2004 5:43:01 PM   
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Lol what part of the "this was all from the same place originally that I got this" part dident you get sherri? the links led Me to whats here and if you followed the same ones I did would end up to the same place I did as well.
Duhhhh no no Double Duhhhhh.........

I suspect that your mud is NEVER clear

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RE: LEGAL SYSTEM JARGON AND THE JUDICIAL PROCESS ( what... - 4/18/2004 5:49:11 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: ProDomme

quote:

Clear as mud?



Why yes, very clear. That was a most needed comment, I applaud your tact ;)



The comment was meant to convey that I wasn't sure if it was clear or not. Because of the threading, it isn't necessarily straightforward to follow. It wasn't meant as a slam.

-- Sherri

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RE: LEGAL SYSTEM JARGON AND THE JUDICIAL PROCESS ( what... - 4/18/2004 5:53:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MistressDREAD

Lol what part of the "this was all from the same place originally that I got this" part dident you get sherri? the links led Me to whats here and if you followed the same ones I did would end up to the same place I did as well.
Duhhhh no no Double Duhhhhh.........

I suspect that your mud is NEVER clear


Mud generally isn't clear. That's the point.

I've asked repeatedly for you to point out where you credited the author of the 2nd message you posted in this thread, or where there's a link that credits her. So far you've not managed to do that. Are you able to do that or not? If not, then it seems my point was valid, since the author does indeed deserve credit for her work.

This shouldn't be a "muddy" question...or at least it seems quite clear to me.

-- Sherri

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RE: LEGAL SYSTEM JARGON AND THE JUDICIAL PROCESS ( what... - 4/18/2004 7:55:08 PM   
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I see your beef, Sherri - there's no link in the second post. I thought it was Dread's words until I read your posts. Being a creative writer, I agree - post your sources or get sued. Of course, this is likely not the place that would happen, but it should be done in any arena. If I could spell plagurism, I'd say that is what it is. Not to offend Mistress Dread, just some helpful insight.




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RE: LEGAL SYSTEM JARGON AND THE JUDICIAL PROCESS ( what... - 4/19/2004 4:32:11 PM   
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I dont repeat My self sherri and I have
allready told you where its at. One must
sign sumthing as their own in order to say work
is being stole MY name and copywrite is NOT
at the bottom of any thing, BECAUSE ITS NOT
MINE. Follow the links and you will find where I
got whats posted. I think Ive found another name
to add to the put on iggie list with Perverta LOL!
Ohhh yes why NOT answer the question sherri
since you seem to be so interested in whats
posted? Go find sumone else to razz you dont
impress Me nor have a sound opinion to Me.
FYI thats why We have Mod and ModII so that
things are keep with in the rules and Ive stated
My case and your tempt to put guilt where there
is none is moot. They dont want this here They
know how to do Their j o b s.

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RE: LEGAL SYSTEM JARGON AND THE JUDICIAL PROCESS ( what... - 4/19/2004 6:25:25 PM   
SherriA


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Uh huh...just as I thought. You can't answer the question because no where did you ever give the author credit. Thanks for clearing that up Dread.

-- Sherri

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RE: LEGAL SYSTEM JARGON AND THE JUDICIAL PROCESS ( what... - 4/19/2004 7:41:08 PM   
MistressDREAD


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you are the one whom dident answer the question posted
sherri
nor took the time to read what was posted completly.
you have got to be the most dense person Ive ever
not had the pleasure of correcting. LOL

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RE: LEGAL SYSTEM JARGON AND THE JUDICIAL PROCESS ( what... - 4/19/2004 7:45:28 PM   
SherriA


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quote:

ORIGINAL: MistressDREAD

you are the one whom dident answer the question posted
sherri


Question? I just went back over your posts in this thread again Dread, and I don't see a question mark anywhere. Perhaps your punctuation is as "unique" as your spelling though, and I missed one in there somewhere.


quote:

ORIGINAL: MistressDREAD
nor took the time to read what was posted completly.


Well I read what I could decipher. I admit that much of what were your words rather than someone else's was difficult to make sense of.


quote:

ORIGINAL: MistressDREAD
you have got to be the most dense person Ive ever
not had the pleasure of correcting.


You've apparently lived a very sheltered existance, then.


-- Sherri

*done with this nonsense, for now*

< Message edited by SherriA -- 4/19/2004 10:46:43 PM >


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RE: LEGAL SYSTEM JARGON AND THE JUDICIAL PROCESS ( what... - 4/20/2004 5:40:46 AM   
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You must be B L I N D then cause the questions right at the top!
quote:

LEGAL SYSTEM JARGON AND THE JUDICIAL PROCESS ( whats happening in BDSM Legally in YOUR area?)

its your own nonsense so you must know best when you have had enough of your own shit.

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