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women being rude to men - 9/10/2006 6:12:52 AM   
kisshou


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Greetings,

Alot of times women are rude to men. Instead of debating a point they will be rude, argumentative, call a mans honour into question and say things in an attempt to belittle him.  They make no attempt at all to be pleasing in their post.

I don't think that offline in the presence of men they would behave that way. At least I have never seen that happen where a woman was rude to a Gorean mans face.

There have been many complaining posts about how this is just a part of online behaviour that has to be accepted.

I don't find it acceptable.

I have engaged in it and I don't find it acceptable in myself either and have been called on it and punished for it by the Owner.

What interests me is how the Man in question deals with it. It has been really fascinating  in my time here on CM to see what transpires.


On a forum such as this, what is the acceptable Gorean way to deal with this issue?

Is it just every man handles things in his own way?

As part of a larger Gorean society as a whole is it a Free Persons responsiblity to adhere to certain standards and protocols when dealing with females be they Free Women or slaves?

well wishes,
kisshou
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RE: women being rude to men - 9/10/2006 8:48:42 AM   
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Greetings kisshou..~smiles~

First would have to state a couple of issues that stand in the way with this: That being that while this is a Gorean section..it is a section on a BDSM open forum board available to any and all, and the only rules that apply are those of CM across the entire forum. Next is the fact that since face to face is not present..the use of body language, facial expressions, and tone of voice are not present as indicators of what and how a person (women) is truely expressing what they are writing. Just those 2 area's alone make a great deal of difference am afraid.

If you are asking how the Owner would deal with a women or anyone being rude for that manner in directness towards Him..He simply states what He wishes to say, and moves on either with a thought of hmmm good point that person had or that person is no longer worth His time, and He will simply not reply to them anymore No matter what snide or trivial words they use.

If it is something that this girl is posting then keeps the Owner informed of what the topics are..where girls mindset is when posting and asking questions that may come off as border line arguementive when just read, and He also reads at His leisure whats been posted. If at anytime the Owner feels this girl has crossed the line..He will step in just as He has done before on this forum, and deal with girl as He see's fit.

The Owner has a few times stepped in and called other girls down on their behavior which did nothing more in settings like this than to illicit a plethera of so-called Free Men ontop of Him in defense of these silly little wenches who were not owned but extremely clear in their attempts to demean and belittle a Free person..i.e. blatant words "your an ass" etc. Only a couple of thoughts when that happens..The Free are not what they say they are and are just in it for a piece of ass or attention, and the women in situations like this are just in it for the attention, and no more care to be slaves until the next time they want to have a orgasm.

If at anytime am told here or anywhere in forums or chats to stand down..then it behooves this girl to do just that, and let the Owner know immediately whats transpired so that He may deal with her if need be or just the situation in general.

Hopes this is along the lines you were asking..

Well Wishes

starshine
Happy slave of Master Delvin

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RE: women being rude to men - 9/10/2006 11:11:57 AM   
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It is an all to commonplace activity in chat or on boards for a female to act out as a brat, or to speak out of turn. Gorean men and free women are the only recourse to suspend this adverse activity among the unaccountable. If they find no solace within the gorean ranks they will shape up or ship out. The best thing to do in an online environment when confronted with this is to expose the culprit, slaves should do little more than observe and keep their eyes down, it is a matter for free men to deal with. Free women can assist but should be limited in response if the men are engaged with the issue. Lest they be seen as speaking out of turn themselves. Remember these Gorean free women are to be refined and distinguished. Each situation holds it's own cause and effect, but when men stand as such life follows its natural order.

I wish you well
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RE: women being rude to men - 9/11/2006 4:58:46 AM   
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Greetings kiss,

On the rare occasions I find myself in a chat room (never Gor or any other RP therse days), and a woman disrespects me she receives a well written, terce but well mannered reply reminding her of her place and asking by what right and for what reason she so disrespecte me. She is told that untill she makes an appology there will be no discourse between us. if needs be I simply block her. If of course she does this face to face in private or in public, I am in my element and she has delicately and with precision using only the most genteel language, a new arsehole reamed and made to appear insolent and out of place. Works well if done before her friends.   was once asked how I would feel if such a person went home and suicided. My reply was that she paid the ultimate prive for her inappropriate behaviour  and I would loose no sleep over it.


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RE: women being rude to men - 9/15/2006 10:44:11 AM   
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kisshou,

It's why so many don't post anymore. Just not worth the time.

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RE: women being rude to men - 9/15/2006 11:18:10 AM   
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Hec, what about all the rude men out there? Treating a woman like she is less of value as a human being...ah the height of arrogance? Or mere ignorance and lack of respect for other humans who are built a bit ... "different?"
 
The doors of respect swing both ways last time i checked.  Life style preferences really have little to do with humans respecting other humans as i see it.  In order to gain respect, one has to give it, live it, and then, "miraculously"...something happens...hmmmm....they won't have to command it for their very nature attracts it all on its own.  Universal law rules.
 
If i feel disrespected, i know that i don't belong hanging around that type of mentality, so i simply remove myself, for it is not worth it.
 
i don't participate in chat rooms for this very reason.  i used to get all upset, and challenge those lil squirts to come disrespect me to my face! LOL! Yup! Just like a lil warrior. *wink  Now, i have no time for petty shit, they can keep it all! *grin 

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RE: women being rude to men - 9/16/2006 2:41:10 AM   
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greetings riaken

thank you for your reply I have never really thought about that until you  bought it up.

well wishes
kisshou 

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RE: women being rude to men - 9/16/2006 8:17:04 AM   
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Tal, greetings, salutations,

I do believe raiken stumbled into the gorean forums on accident. She has posted somewhere hundreds of times though. Perhaps a note of what the threads are about would help her. I doubt it however the very context of her post would indicate she has most likely been the subject matter of the thread. I would go into a long lecture about respect but we have all read that one. All I would recommend for you raiken is that surely there are soft, cuddly, touchy feely rooms somewhere within these forums.

Have a nice time,

Bull

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RE: women being rude to men - 9/16/2006 11:29:51 AM   
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Even as a Gorean man I am not rude to women, I merely treat them in accordance with the degree of dignity they display.  If a FC is really just a mouthy slave that somehow has her master by the balls and abuses her advantage, then she has no dignity.  On the other hand if a slave takes a beating for the lies of an FC and never complains that she was wronged then she is far more dignant than the FC.  I will in such a case treat the slave with a greater degree of respect than the free woman.

These are just examples of experiances I have encountered.  When it comes to honor, I always weigh the honor of the person who is calling out the accused before leaping to any conclusions.  This is applicable to women or men.  You must also remember those who commit these offensive acts online are generally cowards face to face. Back hand a loudmouth once and see how quickly they go from brave gorean to earthman/earthwoman filing assalt charges.  It is in 99% of all cases here that the person questioning your honor really is in doubt of thier own.  If one truely has honor then they don't care about yours untill it interferes with them.

Jarl Torvald

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RE: women being rude to men - 9/18/2006 7:29:33 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: xBullx

Tal, greetings, salutations,

I do believe raiken stumbled into the gorean forums on accident. She has posted somewhere hundreds of times though. Perhaps a note of what the threads are about would help her. I doubt it however the very context of her post would indicate she has most likely been the subject matter of the thread. I would go into a long lecture about respect but we have all read that one. All I would recommend for you raiken is that surely there are soft, cuddly, touchy feely rooms somewhere within these forums.

Have a nice time,

Bull



Hey Bull,
 
Hehehe...this girl never stumbles much.  *smile  There aren't many accidents this girl has experienced either.  Since i have a warrior spirit, "touchy feely" is just not my gig. *grin  i generally refer to accidents more as outcomes from my personal choices.  Yes, i post everywhere and anywhere there are humans gathered.  This is how i learn about all types of folks and the way they think.  Including what i just learned about you. *smile It is also my right to post in this forum as it is a part of CM. 
 
The reason i made my post, was because again, (due to the post you have made about me, a stranger that you haven't nary a clue about) the doors of respect swing both ways. 
 
There are just as many very disrespectful men out there, as there are women.   Especially in a place where all men are to be respected by all women, i felt it necessary to share my thought merely as a point of consideration. 
 
i just felt to share, that for those seeking a Master (especially a Gorean Master) to remember to be cautious of going overboard in giving those (male OR female) who are less than honorable, an honorable mention. 
 
Thank you for reading *smile
 
~raiken

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RE: women being rude to men - 9/18/2006 7:57:38 AM   
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raiken,

Though the nickname has always been Bull, I do not eat hay or hey. As for respect, it is available to men, women and children. As I established in a thread some-damn-place else there is a pecking order in life. When followed you will find that it is easy to establish respect for all involved. Now you might have attempted to be all non-chalant with your retaliation to my post but it was visible what you were up too. I'm sure you have someone that surrenders well to your manipulations but I doubt that it is a gorean man. The point of this thread was about the disrespect of females, not men, if you wish to create a thread for such then do so. If you wish to create a distraction to real issue then go away. I have a patient ear for any and all, but I find mine closing to your noise rather quickly so if you have a good way to remedy this closure or if you even care, (which I doubt you do, as is with most that do as you have a mean old man that sets you to the point is an asshole) bring back a serious post, if you wish to simply flame, this is my last response to you. The gorean life is not an everybody is equal society, it is not about fairness, and no one has ever signed a document authorized by their chosen deity that promised a warm fuzzy and fair life to them. Goreans understand this and work to live within a thought that honor, integrity, discipline (for all), good sense and the natural order will best serve them in their lives. Your initial statement is commonly made and your second was expected. Thanks for helping me to demonstrate a point of my own.

Serve well,
Bull

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RE: women being rude to men - 9/18/2006 9:13:52 AM   
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In my opinion, it has nothing to do with men and women.
 
About one-third of people that post on message boards, can't back off talking down to people. When a dominant of any gender does this, they look like someone that claims to be an authority figure, but has not learned the simple lesson that the teacher can't talk down to the student. When a submissive of any gender does this, they look rude.
 
Two additional factors compound and exacerbate this. People are able to find quotes that give them justification for talking down to others. Others see this, and think it makes them look more "dominant" to be like that.
 
I used to be a prime offender on this board, but have been making an effort to reform. I get along much better since making this effort, althought in truth it's still a work in progress.

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RE: women being rude to men - 9/18/2006 9:43:43 AM   
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I don't get rude with a man unless he disrespects me as an EQUAL human being. Yes I do believe in EQUALITY between the sexes, I know that doesn't fly in the Gor world but here on the planet Earth where I am from it IS the natural order of things. Even if some refuse to believe it. If a man gets rude with me online or IRL then the gloves are off. I have no problem standing up for myself whatsoever whether it be verbal or a physical confrontation.
I do not think all women who stand up for themselves are brats, I think they are speaking their mind and yes women do have minds. Though I have heard some go off for no reason whatsoever (Ive heard men do the exact same thing) and I usually figure its been a bad day for them. If the men do not like it well they are welcome to fire off a retort as yes they have a  right to speak their mind as well. I surely wouldn't sit by while some guy/gal gave me a boatload of shit.
Where I believe the problem lies is when men assume that a woman is beneath him, or rather  "should" be beneath him, a woman's natural defenses come forth and she like the warrior she is fights back. YES women do have a warriors spirit in them, if we didnt we wouldnt fight like a wild bear to protect our children. Some of us will even fight to defend ourselves and protect the ones we love, much like a man would.
As far as CM goes if a guy is feeling really put out by some gal giving him a hard time he can always block her and vice versa. This is the internet afterall and you don't have to deal with pests if you don't want to , its as simple as pressing a button.

Have a nice day!
~Lashra


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RE: women being rude to men - 9/18/2006 11:30:05 AM   
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Tal to the wandering confused, (that means hello to the non goreans that love to post here)

I am not sure, (actually I am, but I'll let you learn it in due time) why some of you come into the gorean section and post these crazy notions about equality. Let me dispel myth or two. Yes, true to life, lifestyle living goreans know this is earth and even claim to be from earth, Crazy notion aye. We also know what the natural order of life is. It just so happens our idea of it is more enlightened than others. Now that has me laughing do to the fact out fems should be steamin' about now. We don't roam around the vanilla world calling them loons that think their from other planets. Some would believe they are more civilized and advanced then we goreans.

I haven't yet seen a female that would stand up to me in the flesh as though to do battle. So don't flatter yourself over the cyber channels. I do have binding fibers of some sort if there are any females that feel Froggy. I find it extremely humorous that a so-called Mistress would find her way to the world of men. Now Lashra, the men here won't volunteer themselves to you like your whipping boys. So get a hold of yourself. I have two books you can read that actually go a long way to explaining the perversion of humanity and the surrender of the male dominance by a great many. Fighting Slave and then Rogue should well demonstrate the very struggle you claim to have the more vested knowledge about. If in fact you have read these or other gorean novels then you have doubled the amount of proof that you are one of the females this thread was created for.

Be well, I wish you the patience to wait in your corner of earth until your master comes and collars you.

Bull

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RE: women being rude to men - 9/18/2006 11:47:43 AM   
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ORIGINAL: xBullx

raiken,

Though the nickname has always been Bull, I do not eat hay or hey.

It was meant as a greeting, nothing more. 

As for respect, it is available to men, women and children. As I established in a thread some-damn-place else there is a pecking order in life. When followed you will find that it is easy to establish respect for all involved. Now you might have attempted to be all non-chalant with your retaliation to my post but it was visible what you were up too.

i felt there was nothing to retaliate, therefore these words and feelings belong only to you, and your personal judgement made upon my character and intention which you know nothing about.

I'm sure you have someone that surrenders well to your manipulations but I doubt that it is a gorean man.

Your doubts are valid here.  i serve owners that respect the Gorean way, as do i, but do not label ourselves as Gorean.  i feel no need for labels, i am just me, a person who is interested in learning of others. i also feel to point out, that those who are Gorean, or who are dominant, such as yourself (using your post to me here in this forum as prime example) do not have the market cornered on honor and respect.
 
The point of this thread was about the disrespect of females, not men, if you wish to create a thread for such then do so. If you wish to create a distraction to real issue then go away.

The point of this thread was about females disrespecting males.  However, this post of yours, supports the reasoning why i shared my perspective.  i do not wish to create a distraction, i wished to add my perspective to the exchange, without being personally attacked or flamed by one such as yourself, for doing so, and being told to "go away."
 
I have a patient ear for any and all, but I find mine closing to your noise rather quickly

Your words contained in this post contradict the above statement.

so if you have a good way to remedy this closure or if you even care, (which I doubt you do, as is with most that do as you have a mean old man that sets you to the point is an asshole)
 
i see nothing that requires remedy or closure.  i do see that the content of my post, affected you enough so, that you felt to attack my person and pass judgement with less than respectful remarks.  Instead of making reference to the content of the post, and not the poster.
 
bring back a serious post, if you wish to simply flame, this is my last response to you.

Your words are condescending, in that my post WAS a serious post, with my serious perspective on this topic being offered for a consideration in this exchange. You are the one flaming me.  You are the one doing the accusing.  Your words support the reasons why i posted my original thought. Each time i post i am of honorable intentions and merely sharing my own personal perspective.  i have made many posts in all the forums, and not one of them has ever been disrepectful or rude.  This is my last response to you, regardless.

The gorean life is not an everybody is equal society, it is not about fairness, and no one has ever signed a document authorized by their chosen deity that promised a warm fuzzy and fair life to them.

You are preaching to the choir here.

Goreans understand this and work to live within a thought that honor, integrity, discipline (for all), good sense and the natural order will best serve them in their lives. Your initial statement is commonly made and your second was expected. Thanks for helping me to demonstrate a point of my own.

In turn, thank you for doing the same for me.

~raiken

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RE: women being rude to men - 9/18/2006 11:54:51 AM   
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Oh noooooooo,  from Iowa........ I guess that explains an awful lot, considering.

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RE: women being rude to men - 9/18/2006 12:19:15 PM   
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Tal Tigeress,

Yes, us vicious old Iowans. How bout them Hawkeyes. I guess I was disected by the slave girl. Hopefully she hates my enough to stop bothering me. Well it's an age old story. I just a crabby old man. That's what one little slave called me. Maybe we can have dinner sometime, I go through Iowa city alot.

I wish you well

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RE: women being rude to men - 9/18/2006 12:19:27 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: kisshou

greetings riaken

thank you for your reply I have never really thought about that until you  bought it up.

well wishes
kisshou 

 
Hey kisshou,
 
The reason i brought this up is because when i read your original post, that is the thought that immediately came to mind, so i shared it.  This is why...
 
i have observed many a dominant, and more so lately with new girls who are still learning, including those who profess to be Gorean, use this lifestyle, way of life, philosophy and titles to give them carte blanche in using less than respectful treatment of females and others.  i have also observed those who profess to be Gorean, including female slaves, demand that others tolerate and accept this form of disrespect as part of the "way".  When females stand up for themselves, and voice their thoughts, (no matter how respectful) and their line of integrity and honor, dominants often place blame and pass judgement on the female as being outspoken or rude. 
 
 All humans have qualities that garner respect, and to be less respected because of gender (no matter what the lifestyle preference or philosophy) goes against universal principles.
 
Everyone has been rude and disrespectful at one time or another in life, no one is exempt from this human behavior.  However, there are those who have learned what real respect means, and have the honor, self control and discipline to respond rather than react out of emotions such as anger or pain.  Others are not there yet and are still learning.  That is just a part of life. There will always be rude and disrespectful folks among us.  Some of us are lucky to get the lessons right the first time, and not have to repeat them.  As for others, well, peat and repeat were on a boat...
 
Disrespect is at the beginnings of abuse.  To be forced by a dominant to tolerate disrespect, IS abuse. Unless of course this is the type of thing that one gets off on. *grin
 
Respect is not gender specific.  One gender is not more precious than the other as far as being shown mutual respect.  It swings in both directions.
 
There are times when it is a matter of considering the source or root cause behind the disrespectful behavior.  Then there are times when we simply must remove ourselves from the company we keep.
 
~raiken

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RE: women being rude to men - 9/18/2006 12:21:25 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: xBullx

Tal to the wandering confused, (that means hello to the non goreans that love to post here)

I am not sure, (actually I am, but I'll let you learn it in due time) why some of you come into the gorean section and post these crazy notions about equality. Let me dispel myth or two. Yes, true to life, lifestyle living goreans know this is earth and even claim to be from earth, Crazy notion aye. We also know what the natural order of life is. It just so happens our idea of it is more enlightened than others. Now that has me laughing do to the fact out fems should be steamin' about now. We don't roam around the vanilla world calling them loons that think their from other planets. Some would believe they are more civilized and advanced then we goreans.

I haven't yet seen a female that would stand up to me in the flesh as though to do battle. So don't flatter yourself over the cyber channels. I do have binding fibers of some sort if there are any females that feel Froggy. I find it extremely humorous that a so-called Mistress would find her way to the world of men. Now Lashra, the men here won't volunteer themselves to you like your whipping boys. So get a hold of yourself. I have two books you can read that actually go a long way to explaining the perversion of humanity and the surrender of the male dominance by a great many. Fighting Slave and then Rogue should well demonstrate the very struggle you claim to have the more vested knowledge about. If in fact you have read these or other gorean novels then you have doubled the amount of proof that you are one of the females this thread was created for.

Be well, I wish you the patience to wait in your corner of earth until your master comes and collars you.

Bull

P.S. Don't piss on my carpet and I won't piss on yours.


Hello confused one, in  your post you insult quite a bit, make no valid points and make alot of assumptions. First of all you don't know me and I don't know you. Good thing isn't it? I have personally flattened a 6 ft tall 200 lb male and sent him to the hospital. Why? Because he tried to man handle me, a broken nose later he learned never to underestimate the power of an enraged woman again.

I happen to own an ex-gorean Master and yes he does submit to me. Why you say? Because he realised all that honor and male superiority is untrue. Its just sugar coating for men who are insecure in themselves. Yes alot of females fall for that sugar coating, this one does  not.

You insult me as a Mistress, again you don't know me and good thing. Because I believe I am more of a Mistress then a master you would ever be.

In your rude post you have proven everything that was ever said about *apemen* and their rudeness and lack of intelligence. And by the way NO man will ever collar me, but there maybe one waiting in your future. Judging from your picture Im sure some nice Gorean Master would love to get his hands on you.

Have a real nice day and don't bother trying to flame me, I don't respond after one post to those with IQ's lower than their cocksize.

~Lashra


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RE: women being rude to men - 9/18/2006 12:27:48 PM   
raiken


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ORIGINAL: xBullx

Tal Tigeress,

Yes, us vicious old Iowans. How bout them Hawkeyes. I guess I was disected by the slave girl. Hopefully she hates my enough to stop bothering me. Well it's an age old story. I just a crabby old man. That's what one little slave called me. Maybe we can have dinner sometime, I go through Iowa city alot.

I wish you well

Bull


Hehehe...i love biology labs.  Nope, i don't hate you at all Bull. i don't have a reason to.  Hate is a very strong word i don't use, for i don't like how it feels to hate someone.  Been there before, don't want to go back.  Just for the record though, YOU were the one to attack and "bother" me...and i will stand up for myself against you or anyone else who is less than respectful to my person...sorry...that ole warrior spirit never dies. *grin

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