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RE: Gor: How do I know what should be taken to heart? - 1/19/2005 8:06:02 PM   
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Moi???



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RE: Gor: How do I know what should be taken to heart? - 1/19/2005 8:07:04 PM   
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You.

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RE: Gor: How do I know what should be taken to heart? - 1/19/2005 8:14:02 PM   
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*gasp*

What libel!

What scandal!

What am I talking about?!?!

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RE: Gor: How do I know what should be taken to heart? - 1/19/2005 9:31:53 PM   
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You know.

<said in her bestest rumbly voice>

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RE: Gor: How do I know what should be taken to heart? - 1/19/2005 9:45:35 PM   
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Ummm, do I *want* to know??

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RE: Gor: How do I know what should be taken to heart? - 1/22/2005 6:42:06 PM   
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I'll leave you to answer that for yourself.

*smile*

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RE: Gor: How do I know what should be taken to heart? - 1/22/2005 7:20:22 PM   
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Ok, I do want to know!

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RE: Gor: How do I know what should be taken to heart? - 1/22/2005 8:07:18 PM   
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Then it is very good that you have the answer then, isn't it?

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RE: Gor: How do I know what should be taken to heart? - 1/22/2005 8:18:52 PM   
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*Which* answer????

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RE: Gor: How do I know what should be taken to heart? - 1/22/2005 9:25:53 PM   
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Why ...

... the one you seek, of course.

*giggle*

This could go on for months - prolly should stop hijacking this poor thread now.

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RE: Gor: How do I know what should be taken to heart? - 1/24/2005 8:55:33 AM   
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Okay, stormi finally got back to reading this post again and once again is
going to address this subject of GOR after many deep breaths!!!

So all of the ones who think there is not bigotry towards
Masters or slaves who call themself GOREAN (or that there is not a "knee-jerk"
reaction towards the person who inquires about GOR or claims to live as a
self-modified Gorean Master or slave..........and yes there are Mistresses or
Free-Women who claim the same) this point needs to be clear. So please
read it carefully and understand that stormi does indeed know what she is
talking about.


stormi cut her teeth and became a better submissive in the LEATHER lifestyle.
YES, some of the very same who think Goreans are stupid, off their rocker,
wanna bes, weaklings that can't find their place among the "real" lifestyle
of BDSM and LEATHER. stormi learned much from the LEATHER lifestyle
about OLD GUARD, how to be a better submissive, how to live life with
protocol and respect, to live life with HONOR. stormi witnessed alot of nice
people who would say they were Gorean and then be ignored til they just
quit showing up at gatherings, munches and club events. WHY? Because
God forbid they used the "G" (gorean) word. stormi is ashamed to say while
she did not know what Gorean was, she stayed away from what she did not understand.
WHY? Because that is what HUMANS do when they don't understand or
fear something. Thankfully, stormi does reach a point to overcoming fears!!

stormi was raised by parents who believed that everyone was equal. Color,
creed, religion, politics, hairstyle, clothing.... none of it make a difference.
It's the heart and the beauty that a person gives back for life that makes
the difference.

stormi met a man, who is a Gorean Master, who as stormi grew to know Him
realized that "oh my God, stormi is attracted to a Gorean Master". stormi thanks
all the stars daily that He was attracted too. After many long discussions, He
offered stormi a ko'lar. He offered her the ability to grow and be better than even
she believes she can be. He offered her the ability to grow in life and experience.
He took the time to understand her Leather beginnings (7yrs of them) and to
share the differences of what John Norman wrote and how people modified them
and used some of the ideas to create their own sense of protocol and in turn
called themself GOREAN.

Folks, get over yourself. You claim to be open minded and accepting. SHOW IT.
While stormi thinks there are some here who are full of hockeypucks, most of the
time she does a good job of keeping her mouth shut. stormi might not understand
cross-dressing or foot fetishes or purple hair but guess what, it's OK!!!!

IF you can't handle possibly having some of the some desires, thoughts, or fetishes
that a GOREAN might have then maybe you should look at YOUR OWN choices.

Why does everyone seem to feel that by saying you're GOREAN it means something bad?
Why do you feel it gives you the right to bash, condemn, ridicule, or belittle someone
for having the guts to use a word such as GOREAN to describe what they are.
Did it ever occur to you, that maybe they like the "black and white" that offered...
make believe or not? What about all the men who think they are so good looking they
shave their heads? Some of those should ask for second opinions cuz bald or not
they are anything but goodlooking, yet we accept them, we look past it, and look to
the type of friend, Master, or man that they are.

stormi has let this board and some of the very ones who think they are above reproach
get the better of her temper a time or two and of that she is not proud. But make no
mistake! stormi is dayum proud of her ko'lar. she is dayum proud of the fact that Master
calls her His. stormi is dayum proud that in the middle of everyone being rude and nasty
that Master still proudly stands faces those same folks and says guess what.. I'm Gorean.

OH and by the way........ stormi's leather family, not all but the majority think Master
is dayum good for stormi.

So in short ...................... GO bite the big one. Get over yourself and let people be what
they want to be and either accept them or tell them you're into living in a glass house and
throwing stones. Cuz folks that is what you are doing.

That said .... ShadowKnight, thank you for your post. Thank you for being what seems to be
from your words open-minded.

stormi
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PROUD kajira of a GOREAN MASTER!!

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RE: Gor: How do I know what should be taken to heart? - 1/26/2005 1:41:17 PM   
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quote:

My advice would be to wait for the final Star Wars installment to come out, and base your life on that instead.


LMAO

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RE: Gor: How do I know what should be taken to heart? - 1/27/2005 10:10:11 AM   
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a girl is new to this site but having read the posts in this thread she is reminded of how isolated one of Gor becomes in r/t as well as online and how few people there are in life a slave can truly talk to without inciting such harsh feelings..........

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RE: Gor: How do I know what should be taken to heart? - 1/27/2005 10:24:30 AM   
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quote:

stormi might not understand
cross-dressing or foot fetishes or purple hair but guess what, it's OK!!!!


My Kink is OK, Your Kink is OK

OK?

(I think this is what you are saying...and it makes sense)

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RE: Gor: How do I know what should be taken to heart? - 1/27/2005 12:02:23 PM   
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I think those who have a knee jerk reaction to Gorean Masters/Mistresses and submissives are probably the ones who have only heard about the horrors (that which does not jive with the normal societal values of equality and fair treatment) that the books contain.

I admit when I first heard about the books of Gor I passed them off as a young boy's wank material... and so the books are in my opinion. However here comes that “but”…

The people who live that lifestyle by using the terms, positions and protocol from the books aren't always abusive nuts who publicly flog a naked woman in the streets. Those who understand the D/s principle of consent and live the Gorean life do not raid villages, kidnap women and run off to strip them of their clothing and dignity.

I've met a Gorean submissive and a Gorean Master. Both of them were lovely people. He was the epitome of a gentleman and never grunted or demanded. While it is true his submissive used different terms she was still a willing submissive and he was still respectful and grateful for her trust, affection and submission. He didn't take it for granted.

He informed me that if he ever said anything or did anything that she considered out of line he expected her to get up and walk out without looking back. He also mentioned having a rather overwhelming dislike for the jack-off fantasy Masters who could be as rude, disgusting and overwhelmingly chauvinistic as they saw fit solely because they were "Masters". He fessed up to wanting to deck one or two of them for what he considered mistreatment of a submissive. He was a good man – a kind man. And I’ll always value the insight he offered into a lifestyle I knew very little about.

That doesn’t mean I’m so enamored I’m going to sign up for the next spaceship to planet Gor. It isn’t my cup of tea. However I’m a firm believer of live and let live – unless the screams become so loud you can’t sleep at night. Then you send them a nice letter and tell them to kindly invest in a ball gag.

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RE: Gor: How do I know what should be taken to heart? - 1/27/2005 1:21:34 PM   
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i have mixed views on Gor, on the one hand, i tend to find it a bit too "Trecky" way too "sci-fi" for my taste, yet, at the same time i can see what can draw a person to it...also, hey, i know others view my chosen way of living & loving as something totally "freaky" and, i'll be the first to admit, yeah, it probably is freaky, but hey it floats my boat... : )
The expierience i've had with Gor has been online and through the books....i find it very interesting, a definately pretty good read....the chat rooms however, specially those gorean yahoo chat rooms tend to be filled with too many who either take it way too seriously, i mean to the point they have lost total grip with reality, or those who don't have a clue and just throw a few words around that make them sound as they are Lord Master of the Universe, or, should i say, Planet Gor....i don't really know how "Goreans" can take the Gorean ways into real life...and i am not being sarcastic or anything, i'd really like to know...anyhow, when it comes down to it, to each their own, hey we are all here for a short time and should enjoy the ride, i admire anyone that dares to live their own life true to their desires and needs, and not just as a cookie cutter proper pillar of society, just cause it's "normal"


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RE: Gor: How do I know what should be taken to heart? - 1/27/2005 3:23:33 PM   
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As I said before, my knee jerk is based on what I've seen and experienced of Goreans who I met online. Many of those people claimed to do it offline as well, though it's the net so one can never tell. Also from the bits of the books I've read. (Theyr'e out of print. I can only read what I've found on the net)

I am not saying that Gor is bad. I -am- saying I disagree with ideology I find in the books and largely in it's practitioners.

By all means, do what works for you. I have no problem with people doing what works for them. I have a problem with the ideology -as I have read it- but that's my problem, not the one of anyone involved.

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RE: Gor: How do I know what should be taken to heart? - 1/27/2005 3:26:12 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: perverseangelic
By all means, do what works for you. I have no problem with people doing what works for them.


Bravo perverseangelic! Live and let live. Do unto others and all that good jazz...

... why can't we all just... get along?

-ducks the hurled tomatoes-

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RE: Gor: How do I know what should be taken to heart? - 1/28/2005 8:25:26 AM   
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the biggest mistake someone can take from this is thinking the books are used for the actual base for the variations

no they simply give them names and relation

yes im gorean
no i dont think i have tarns waiting for me upstairs
no i dont carry a sword to work
or any of the other so called things we seem to be thought to do in reality

yes i keep kajira
yes they are trained in a strict protocol
yes they wear a collar at all times
do they runaround doing nothing but have sex no
kajira work just like everyone else in all forms of work
unless your so rich you dont have to, im not so work is done

some may see our style as only being around for what 30 some odd years
they are misinformed
i saw something about history books
norman in his travels gathered the culture of all the ancient civilizations of history to form his collage that made Gor
the Assyrians,Summerians,Egyptians,Incas,Vikings,Zulu,Romans as well as others taking this trait from here and this trait from here and merging them into a series of stories to entertain the reader
he isnt the best writer no
but what he merged is based on fact
that is whats taken out of the books and used in reality
even though modern kajira are consensual they do make the choice to live as they do
they can leave the same way as they came
but while they stay they live by the doctrines of the house
and if the house has them following codes and protocols and weavings as ive heard them called
so be it
in 17 years i havent yet to raise a whip in anger to a girl and ive had several over that time
so dont think Gorean means abusive and sadistic
dont think Gorean means running around burning things and breaking into houses raping girls

your adults so act as such and use common sense
what you read on the web is people interpretations of the books
read behind the words to find what context it lies

if you trace bdsm back to its roots you may find out that your not so different,only use different words and different alterations of a simliar thing

: hops off his soapbox:

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RE: Gor: How do I know what should be taken to heart? - 1/28/2005 9:26:12 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Falonthas

the biggest mistake someone can take from this is thinking the books are used for the actual base for the variations



Then why on earth isn't it called Sumerian slavery? Or Egyptian slavery? The fact that the term "Gor" has been chosen, like it or not, allies the practice with the books.

I understand what you're saying, but if you want to break away from the books and all the things the books imply, choose new terminology.

Also, Gorean slavery isn't at all like Viking slavery, at least not viking slavery 700-1300AD. ('pologize, but this is one of my periods of interest.)

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