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Poly or Nothing - 10/3/2006 8:41:21 PM   
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When the Master Who Owns me, claimed me as His, The confersation came up about His disires for a poly family.
Being taken by the first "real and true" Master that HE is..  i agreed.  i understood because of family issues i personaly have, He shouldnt have to be alone  during the times i am otherwise committed.  The search was on.  not just for a plaything,  but for a 24/7 girl with the slave heart. We each searched,  and came back with a few maybes  here and there. But that was it.

Now as time went on...The relaytionship between Master and i was   getting better and stronger all the time.    i sooo wanted to please Him... i steped up on the search..looking high and low for the perfect stand in.  thats when i  thought about it even more...  doubts came into my head... was i searching for my replacement??  How am i going to feel  when i cant be there? left out?? or cant reach them by phone, because they are to "busy"..How will i feel watching the Master Who Owns me, fall  for the new girl.  How will i feel, when He has time to train her, to watch her grow -and blossem,  the way i want to.??   i can see it now...the glances back and forth, the inside jokes, the feelings of being left out  would kill me...

Jealous hearted--You betcha
selfish-uh huh

SO now what??  i love Master. i love what we have now. 
He has trained me to love and need Him..

He says in time i will understand, and i will accept it.  1-because i have no choice, 2- Because He knows it can work. 3- Hes always right..  (this is true)

any advice on how to get past my own self-centeredness.??

Before Master took me.. i played with couples..some married,  some not..
i had no problems then being the "outsider" -  why now?
am i growing more immature as i get older?  what is my problem?? 


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RE: Poly or Nothing - 10/3/2006 9:32:16 PM   
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Ok, well, IMO he has NO business forcing you into this.  But that's just me...I'll drop that point.  It is possible that you need to be assured an alpha sub status, or if you feel the inkling... maybe she should be a shared girl between you two, but with you as her direct dominant and your master as the overlord of the house.  The feelings you are describing have a way of breeding and growing bigger and more terrifying.  If they are not reasonably easy to abate with solid, rational, non-emotional thinking- they will probably only get worse with time and actually finding a girl.  However, I really suggest trying on the idea of co-domming her on for size, and speak of the idea with your master.  Even if the idea makes you uneasy, panicky, nausious, or sad...if there is a flicker of truth in the thought...that's probably what you will need to feel happy and safe in the poly.  Once you try it on for size, you may decide it fits!  Best of luck to you!-- Jennifer

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RE: Poly or Nothing - 10/3/2006 10:06:54 PM   
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MaggieMommy.

what a perfect answer. Thank You.

funny...Master..has told me that.  But it took SomeOne from the outside looking in to drive what Hes been saying all along,  home.  So...do You think, a submissive, could learn to "co-Dom" ?

"Even if the idea makes you uneasy, panicky, nausious, or sad..." <---
 
the exact way i feel...knowing i'll have to learn to share.  i hate the way it makes me act...all jealous, and such...like a school girl trying to hold on to her boyfriend....YUCK..  but i hate the whole situation, because either way...i see so much heart ach and drama comming...  He says i think negitively all the time....maybe i do.. 
  maybe a little beta slave is just what this girl needs.../   its deffinitly what Master deserves..
Thanx again for the post..
 
 

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RE: Poly or Nothing - 10/4/2006 8:02:55 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: TIGER

Now as time went on...The relaytionship between Master and i was   getting better and stronger all the time.    i sooo wanted to please Him... i steped up on the search..looking high and low for the perfect stand in.  thats when i  thought about it even more...  doubts came into my head... was i searching for my replacement??  How am i going to feel  when i cant be there? left out?? or cant reach them by phone, because they are to "busy"..How will i feel watching the Master Who Owns me, fall  for the new girl.  How will i feel, when He has time to train her, to watch her grow -and blossem,  the way i want to.??   i can see it now...the glances back and forth, the inside jokes, the feelings of being left out  would kill me...

Jealous hearted--You betcha
selfish-uh huh

SO now what??  i love Master. i love what we have now. 
He has trained me to love and need Him..

He says in time i will understand, and i will accept it.  1-because i have no choice, 2- Because He knows it can work. 3- Hes always right..  (this is true)

any advice on how to get past my own self-centeredness.??

Before Master took me.. i played with couples..some married,  some not..
i had no problems then being the "outsider" -  why now?
am i growing more immature as i get older?  what is my problem?? 

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I think one of the questions you need to ask yourself is WHY are you jealous? Has he done anything to cause you to feel insecure or unwanted? What is it that caused you to think you were searching for your replacement?
 
Jealousy, insecurity and possessiveness are such useless emotions and rarely do anyone any good. When you think about it, I mean REALLY think about it... if he were looking to replace you do you really think being jealous is going to stop that from happening? In most cases it only serves to push it along at a faster pace.
 
How are you going to feel when he is training her like he trained you? Well, that's up to you... But the healthy way to feel would to be there for her and share your wisdom and experience with her and enjoy seeing it from the other side. Sometimes seeing something like that helps us to learn more about ourselves.
 
IMNSHO... Either he loves you as you love him or not.. there is little anyone can do to change that... well, little positive anyway... it would be pretty easy to change it to a negative...
 
Maybe seeing it from the other side will help some... For me... when someone displays jealousy concerning me I feel that for some reason they don't trust or believe what I am saying or doing and it's very disturbing to me. So many people think that jealousy is just something they feel and it's ok... not many think about how it affects their partner.
 
You either trust him or you don't... it's really that simple.
 
Jewel
 
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RE: Poly or Nothing - 10/4/2006 6:21:50 PM   
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It's not necessarily easy to do, but yes, I think you can learn.  Well, let me qualify that.  You can learn to be the alpha slave, and can learn to top, but I'm not sure if you can learn to dominate.  Not that I think you have to be born with 'it', but it is definately something that you have to be in the right time and place in your life.  No one is static.  I think that the only way to overcome these feelings is to take babysteps.  Figure out who your ideal person would be.  Include physical characteristics, emotional characteristics, sexual interests, and mental and intellectual qualities.  Show it to your master and see if those are things he is happy with the idea of as well.  Perhaps you can negotiate on points where you have differences. Then try to figure out "Is this person someone who I would wish to be alpha to, or is it someone who I would wish to co-dom?  Now that you have created your perfect addition (on paper), you should have a much better idea exactly what will make you happy in the relationship, insofar as your lifestyle orientation goes, as well as having a far better idea who you are searching for.  Just remember that even if you do these excersizes, you may meet 'the perfect one' and find that she is nothing like you thought you wanted, but everything you needed.  What you will know though, is more about yourself.  That's never bad! :)  Just don't forget to leave yourself room to grow, now and in the future.  I reiterate "No one is static."  Don't worry too much about why you are scared... it doesn't matter.  You are what you are and pushing down your feelings won't change that.-- Jennifer

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RE: Poly or Nothing - 10/4/2006 11:57:36 PM   
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Again, Thank You.
 
Between You and Jewle from an above post replie...i have alot to think about...  
After speaking with Master just now on the phone,  i truly need to dig down deep within myself, and Make it work.  He deserves to be happy.  He is SO worth Any discomphort or crazy feelings,  that poly could bring.  i Will do what ever nesserary  to bring happyness to Master...   its His decission. 
 
  the points made here...some i didnt want to hear,  but are ALL true.   Honsety is key.   Master is the most honest person i have ever met.  (almost to a fault)  
 
 what He says He'll do..---He does
who He says He is...--- He is.
 
always.    i have to count my blessings...  i am such a lucky lucky girl... !
How dare i care more about how poly will make me feel,  than How being poly will make Master feel.
 
 He demands,  and i will follow.  its my job and He Owns me..   i love Him. and He cares for me..
i wont ask for more...
 
thanks again.....   
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RE: Poly or Nothing - 10/7/2006 7:31:55 AM   
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Seems he's more aptly named on here.
dogobedience.

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RE: Poly or Nothing - 10/7/2006 10:05:40 AM   
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You need to look within yourself and decide if that is really what you want,I've found adding to my collection has not only made my subs more aware of what  they need to be doing without being told,but also a much clearer understanding of where their place is in my world!

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RE: Poly or Nothing - 10/7/2006 10:21:42 AM   
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Maybe he willl let you have a male switch as a brother sub situation.  If he gets jealous.. maybe he'll understand a bit more how you feel.  If he goes for it.. enjoy :) 
 
I don't know where guys get the idea women are pack animals.
 
If I understood you correctly.. he brought this up AFTER he collared you?  How convenient.

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RE: Poly or Nothing - 10/7/2006 10:11:58 PM   
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its a question of security. you are not secure enough in yourself or else you would not think of the new girl as a replacement.  each person is unique and irreplacable.  ask yourseld this, if you were really replacable, how come the search is not yet over?


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RE: Poly or Nothing - 10/7/2006 10:40:39 PM   
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having expericned this situation from being the one added in...i have a definate sensitiveity to it.   I appreciate the fact that you are goign to be resentfull it is the way we are in a natural way.   as women  when out partner wants to add in somethign else...we take it personallyand wonder what is it that we arent providing!?   And most of the time we strive to provide it even if it is sooemthing we cannot help but being lacking in..

May i please ask you to do the Beta a big favor?  BE HONEST  do not set her up for an emotional injury...but do not blame her for things that arent there either.   If you  find yourself not to be able to handle this situation please be honest and mature enough to say so... please do not make up percieved crimes that she has committed!  Do not take everything she says as a direct injury to yourself   sometimes  the word fine means just that fine.

I wish you well and i wish you great stringth and dignity for attempting soemthing that goes against many of our natural emotions...
little one

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RE: Poly or Nothing - 10/9/2006 2:24:26 PM   
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I am in a not dissimilar boat (please see the thread I've just started "How Can You Know").

But how can one set oneself up emotionally when you don't know or have any clear reason to believe you are actually the alpha ?  If I knew that I don't think I would have too much trouble with the whole idea.  But I don't.

I am in the position where other girls will be involved whether I like it or not.  Now I may find I enjoy playing with them , and if so I will be a very happy bunny because it will make this situation much easier on me.  I don't care to spend to much time pondering the "if not".

What makes my situation v difficult is I am not sure if I am/ will be the alpha or "just another one of his girls".  I just don't know and the one time I brought up the subject I hit a brick wall.  He doesn't want to be pushed and feels I'm asking for commitment he doesn't want to make.  Consequently I won't be bringing it up again.

I feel like I'm probably the alpha, but that could be purely a case of convenience.  On the other hand, I try to tell myself that so long as we both enjoy each other, maybe it doesn't matter.  I am trying extremely hard to convince myself of this, but it's bloody tough.

Any advice for someone in my boat ?

LM x

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RE: Poly or Nothing - 10/9/2006 2:30:15 PM   
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Any advice for someone in my boat ?

LM x


Tell him that becoming a brick wall isn't a good sign and that you need a lot of hand holding and guidance- not insecurity about "not being in control." 

Granted that's probably something very hard for you to do- but it doesn't make it any less true.

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RE: Poly or Nothing - 10/10/2006 2:40:42 AM   
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Thanks all,

There was great input here and sound advice..
Its taken a toll on my pride.. but what good will pride do me all alone? 
I will do as Master wants.. He knows whats best for me..He has proven that time after time....He said He can make it work.  and that i wont feel left out.  i trust Him with my heart....

( wish me luck )    kali

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RE: Poly or Nothing - 10/12/2006 2:11:44 AM   
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There is a lot of fantasy in the scene, but I dont know, you should think about why you went into it in the first place. Its obviously progressed beyond simple fun, the relationship fills gaps in your life, would that be threatened by another girl? He obviously means a lot to you, and I'm sure he realises that and wont want to threaten the connection you two have once someone else comes along. In the end its down to why he wants someone else and thats something you cant control either.

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RE: Poly or Nothing - 10/12/2006 6:01:46 PM   
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Here is something to think about, and just to think about. It is an extreme viewpoint, and likely does not apply to the reader, it is just some musings I have had over the last 10+ years encountering and studying polyamory and polyamorous relationships. And let me make it perfectly clear that I am not critical of polyamorous situations or people in them, I am just speaking from my own personal experiences with polyamorous individuals I have met in my life.

In over 10 years, I have never personally witnessed and been able to verify a long-term polyamorous relationship in which noone ever felt like they were getting "less" than another member of the relationship. I have never seen a situation in which everyone was 100% satisfied with the relationship (then again, I have rarely if ever seen a monogamous relationship like that either :) ). What I have seen is a man (or occasionally woman) who was selfish and greedy and wanted everything he or she could get and more (i.e.: have your cake and eat it). While selfishness is to a degree expected in a Dom/me, greed rarely if ever is, and that is what polyamoury looks like to me, having seen it tried and failed so many times (many dozens of times).

What always needs to be asked is, why does the one person need the many? What is it that they need or want that one sub or slave cannot provide? Or does he or she really need it, or just want it, and try to get it because he or she knows they can get it, because the current partner will do anything to please his or her Dom/me? i.e.: If they can get away with it, they will. To me this seems unhealthy, because a Dom/me's ultimate responsibility is to the health and welfare of Hir or Her sub/slave(s). Now, I am told over and over again that this is just not so, but every single time I am told this, it is not long after (months, weeks, even days) that the polyamorous relationship breaks up. Is it because I introduced an element of doubt into a healthy relationship that would have been fine if I had not interfered? Well, if it was so healthy, how come the One could not convince all of the many that everything was fine, calm their fears and doubts, and get things back in order? Someone is lying there, to themselves and/or others, because they want to believe it so much. Again, this is what I have seen, and is by no means definitive.

Now I honestly and truly would welcome any proof that polyamoury really works in the long term, I believe it has great potential, but there is a quote that goes like this, "Communism looks good on paper, and it would work great if it weren't for the fact that it has to be implemented by human beings."

I should also make a distinction between a Dom/me or Master/Mistress who has more than one sub/slave that they train, but only one who is their personal life partner, lover, whatever, because that is not the sort of deep, meaningful, loving relationship that polyamoury (love many) implies...nay, indicates.

Of course I entertain contrarian viewpoints, indeed I enthusiastically welcome them, and would truly love to be proven wrong, but it will take a lot of convincing and verification to overcome more than 10 years of observations and cynicism.And I fully expect to be flamed, ridiculed and abused over this post, but nevertheless, I believe it to be a valid viewpoint whether or not it is accepted. To date, it has not been satisfactorily disproven.


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RE: Poly or Nothing - 10/13/2006 11:05:41 PM   
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I keep jumping back to something that is said over and over and over again about poly relationships...if the primary relationship isn't stable there are going to be problems for everyone. This new person that you're seeking is going to end up being the target of your insecuritites and eventually feel as if they are the "cause" of failure in your primary relationship. While I know masters always like to believe that they are right in all things the disintigration of your relationship is also on his head. If you're this insecure and he's pushing because "he knows what's best" I question the motives. It sincerely appears that poly is more important to him than your security in the relationship (red flag for me). He's got you seeking the second (red flag) and wants this above your objections (red flag). This is one of those times where tapping the brake seems like the better option and he's laying on the gas. I would take a hard look at whether this is going to work for you long term and go from there. Finding someone closer to "fill in" just seems an odd way to reinforce a primary relationship.

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RE: Poly or Nothing - 10/14/2006 3:58:53 AM   
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In over 10 years, I have never personally witnessed and been able to verify a long-term polyamorous relationship in which noone ever felt like they were getting "less" than another member of the relationship. I have never seen a situation in which everyone was 100% satisfied with the relationship (then again, I have rarely if ever seen a monogamous relationship like that either :) ). What I have seen is a man (or occasionally woman) who was selfish and greedy and wanted everything he or she could get and more (i.e.: have your cake and eat it). While selfishness is to a degree expected in a Dom/me, greed rarely if ever is, and that is what polyamoury looks like to me, having seen it tried and failed so many times (many dozens of times).


The saying in our house is "People who say you can't have your cake and eat it too have never had dinner at our house". We are an M/M/s household and I personally am 100% satisfied, so is my husband and our girl... twicehappy. If you look up some of their posts you'll see that for yourself. I agree that many fail at polyamorous relationships because it goes against the societal training we grew up with and it's a lot of effort to get past that. We are a "family" and share all the love and devotion that the word implies. In the beginning of the relationship there were some pretty tough times... but that's true in any relationship, but we got past all the bumps and potholes and it just keeps getting better.

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I should also make a distinction between a Dom/me or Master/Mistress who has more than one sub/slave that they train, but only one who is their personal life partner, lover, whatever, because that is not the sort of deep, meaningful, loving relationship that polyamoury (love many) implies...nay, indicates.


I think you put this beautifully. My husband and I consider ourselves to be the foundation that our poly family is built on, I don't like the "primary" couple image, we are a triad, our girl is as much a part of us as each other is.
 
And I don't see how you could be flamed for stating this... but then again, I don't see how a lot of people are flamed for some of the things they state. lol
 
Jewel

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RE: Poly or Nothing - 10/14/2006 4:57:02 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LAMPedge

What I have seen is a man (or occasionally woman) who was selfish and greedy and wanted everything he or she could get and more (i.e.: have your cake and eat it). While selfishness is to a degree expected in a Dom/me, greed rarely if ever is, and that is what polyamoury looks like to me, having seen it tried and failed so many times (many dozens of times).


Why do you think it is about selfishness? Granted there are those who become poly to have more sex partners but i think for those in long term poly relationships selfishness has nothing to do with it.
 
It is about love, polyamoury means to love many. I get as much from this as either Scooter or Jewel, we each have more than one to love, to hold hands with, to confide in, to laugh with.
 
Maybe those relationships failed because you could not or did not weather the intial bumps in the road.

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RE: Poly or Nothing - 10/14/2006 5:03:49 AM   
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'Finding someone closer to "fill in" just seems an odd way to reinforce a primary relationship'

i agree with Rose4U 100%.

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