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malebitchinatutu -> forced bisexual acts (10/8/2006 3:41:25 AM)

Hello A/all,

i was wondering if the concept of forcing men to suck cock and/or be used by another man has been around for a long time or if this is something that has recently become popular in the BDSM community.

It seems like a lot of Dominas really enjoy seeing this done.  i was wondering if the Ladies like the act itself or seeing a man degraded/reduced to a pathetic cocksucker?

Thank Y/you for sharing!

bitch b



Chainman69 -> RE: forced bisexual acts (10/8/2006 4:19:20 AM)

Im a male sub and have recently started doing this.

I have known my mistress for about 6 months and i know she enjoys men suffering and this is a real humiliating thing to do. I dont consider myself gay or even bi so i find this quite degrading, but know i have a duty to satisy my mistress.

I have only done it a handful of times, but my mistress has a bisexual ex boyfriend. He comes round and i have given him blowjobs and on 1 occassion rimmed his ass. My mistress has said she intends to see me having full gay sex in the near future. She is very health concious and says that the guy doing my ass would always wear protection.



mp072004 -> RE: forced bisexual acts (10/8/2006 6:18:10 AM)

"Forcing" people to do things they don't want to do strikes me as basic, if not essential, to power-oriented (d/s) BDSM. Think about it--if you've agreed to obey me, then I get to ask you to do things you might not do of your own accord, yes? I don't know when it started. Among identified BDSMers, forcing people to do stuff likely predates forcing heterosexuals to have sex with a person of the same sex, given that BDSM apparently started among gay men.

"Forcing" a het person to perform homosexual acts is just one of many ways to get reluctant obedience, or to do physical ravishment (that is, takedowns, rape fantasy stuff), and many dominants regard unwillingness as hot. I like unwillingness as long as the activity the submissive dislikes is something I find remotely appealing, and male-male sex falls into that category. I don't find male-male sex degrading to its participants--I'm bisexual, and I have sex with men, so I would have a difficult time finding homosexual sex or sex with a man degrading. I imagine one might find it degrading to do things one didn't want to do, and if one didn't want to have sex with a specific person or a person of a particular gender, but had agreed to do so, perhaps that would be degrading. Does that make sense? The act isn't the degrading bit, in my head--the reluctance is what makes it degrading.

Monica



DivaDuchess -> RE: forced bisexual acts (10/8/2006 6:23:06 AM)

It depends on the Domme ... I love both ... female and male domination.  Humiliation is one of my personal favorites as far as discipline goes.  However, to force (if it is a hard limit) gay sexual relations on a sub/slave is something I wouldn't do.  I respect hard limits.

Your profile states clearly that you WANT that type of contact and that type of attitude in a Mistress.  If We were in the market for male slave and one had your profile ... count yourself as a cocksucker.

My 2 cents




MstrssPassion -> RE: forced bisexual acts (10/8/2006 8:36:14 AM)

this activity per se is nothing new

a side note: however the use of the word "forced" is highly debatable in my opinion & is most likely used by those not willing to take responsibility or accountability for their involvement of living out their own desires






undergroundsea -> RE: forced bisexual acts (10/8/2006 8:37:57 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: mp072004
"Forcing" people to do things they don't want to do strikes me as basic, if not essential, to power-oriented (d/s) BDSM.


When forced bisexuality causes true humiliation or emotional discomfort, I see it to lie more within emotional SM (for those unfamiliar with the term, I do not intend a negative connotation with this term but use it to describe the mental counterpart of physical SM) than D/s. Forced bisexuality, as I describe above, and emotional SM certainly have D/s relevance but I think the former is essential to D/s only to the extent emotional SM (or even physical SM for that matter) is essential to D/s. I think a D/s relationship can exist without SM.

Cheers,

Sea



GoddessDustyGold -> RE: forced bisexual acts (10/8/2006 10:32:32 AM)

It all, quite honestly, comes down to obedience. 
I agree with Sea, that I find the term "forced" to be highly debatable.  If one finds it exciting to be obedient in this manner, then it really isn't taking you outside of any comfort zone.  Rather, it is fulfilling a fantasy and giving you a high. Therefore, it isn't truly forced. 
In a D/s or M/s relationship, it is wonderful if the slave is willing, but often, that willingness only translates into what the slave wanted anyway.   I, personally do not mind a bit of a mental struggle.  It is satisfying to see that and then see the slave bend to your will.  However, often, if the slave is not in the mood, or didn't realize that even simple things would be hard, and the struggle escalates, that is when I draw back.
S/m, such as you describe is harder and more related to particular scenes.  I would not "force" someone who might be psychologically or emotionally damaged by it.  But if all I want is a simple haircut, or a certain style of clothing, and I find that is not to be My domain either, then I have to give things a second think.



malebitchinatutu -> RE: forced bisexual acts (10/9/2006 3:52:50 AM)

Thank Y/you all for such great explanations and discussions!  i was/am simply intrigued by where this concept has gone since i have gotten into the scene.  For me personally, the thought of it was a real turn on (having a Domina reduce me from a cocky boy to a cocksucker who whimpers), but when push came to shove and there was a penis in my face, i hated every second of it.  i have no attraction to men whatsoever, but a Domina forcing it or asking for it makes it much easier to swallow (no pun intended). 



LotusSong -> RE: forced bisexual acts (10/9/2006 4:30:24 AM)

One thing I never mess with is someone's sexuality.

As far as the practice of forcing it.. I don't believe one can "rape the willing" and I refuse to be the "excuse".



malebitchinatutu -> RE: forced bisexual acts (10/9/2006 5:50:02 AM)

That leads into another question:

Can sexuality be manipulated/changed?

To me, the answer is yes.  If you look at men or women who are sent to prison, they have no option of having the opposite sex, and through time, they are sexual people, and hence learn to get into homosexual acts.  i believe the same can be true with the D/s aspect.  If a Domina denies Her sub/slave sex with Her or any Woman, and only permits him to have homosexual acts, after awhile, he will learn to adapt and get good at it....possibly learn to enjoy it if the Mistress enjoys it.

Am i way off base here or is there possibly some substance to this?



michaelGA2 -> RE: forced bisexual acts (10/9/2006 5:55:39 AM)

i, personally, would be looking for the closest exit and the quickest way out of the building and never look back. this has been a major concern of mine for many years. there's obeying and then there's breaking hard limits and i won't go there.



LadyEsenem -> RE: forced bisexual acts (10/9/2006 6:13:46 AM)

Both bitch b.

To me knowing that a submissive who is not gay or bisexual submits to my will and desires, is a huge turn-on for me. It also gives me something to hold over his head for future play by giving me the power to call him names like "cocksucker" and "asslicker" or any other variation that I come up with at the time. Afterall, calling him a cocksucker when he has never sucked cock really does nothing for him.

I have a bisexual boyfriend who gives me the availability to enjoy the bisexual play & humiliation with my subs.

I have not done this as of yet, but the thought of having a malesub submit to me by taking it up the ass from my bi-bf while he is orally pleasuring me is a huge turn-on, with words spiling out of my mouth like... "Take it like a man, you wimp" and " I love it when you scream like that. Your screams vibrate my cunt".

If the sub has no interest in bisexual encounters or forced-bi, then I respect his limits. This is not about breaking a person. It is about breaking down the walls of submission. A slight interest the submissive has, but is afraid to do it without my assistance.

Buttfuckers and cocksuckers are wonderful creatures




malebitchinatutu -> RE: forced bisexual acts (10/9/2006 6:33:33 AM)

"Buttfuckers and cocksuckers are wonderful creatures "- Lady Esenem

That might be the funniest saying i've heard in a long time!  Good stuff, Lady Esenem!




dicipline2 -> RE: forced bisexual acts (10/9/2006 8:16:12 AM)

ugh... for me this is a hard limit, one of only a few. Nonetheless, I couldnt go through with this because I would become physically ill and couldnt finish the play.



LotusSong -> RE: forced bisexual acts (10/9/2006 8:25:31 AM)

There is also the issue of "high-risk" behavior.
 
Which is why I do not get into bisexuality.



tazzzz -> RE: forced bisexual acts (10/9/2006 10:37:27 PM)

I agree with michealGA2. This is definitely a hard limit for me. I would do anything for love but I wont do that!  No I wont do that!



BlkTallFullfig -> RE: forced bisexual acts (10/9/2006 10:44:40 PM)

It isn't my thing.   M



MisPandora -> RE: forced bisexual acts (10/10/2006 1:00:50 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: malebitchinatutu

Hello A/all,

i was wondering if the concept of forcing men to suck cock and/or be used by another man has been around for a long time or if this is something that has recently become popular in the BDSM community.

It seems like a lot of Dominas really enjoy seeing this done.  i was wondering if the Ladies like the act itself or seeing a man degraded/reduced to a pathetic cocksucker?

Thank Y/you for sharing!

bitch b

How does one "force" someone who would have already willingly do it, or at least do it with encouragement?



MisPandora -> RE: forced bisexual acts (10/10/2006 1:05:59 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: malebitchinatutu

That leads into another question:

Can sexuality be manipulated/changed?

To me, the answer is yes.  If you look at men or women who are sent to prison, they have no option of having the opposite sex, and through time, they are sexual people, and hence learn to get into homosexual acts.  i believe the same can be true with the D/s aspect.  If a Domina denies Her sub/slave sex with Her or any Woman, and only permits him to have homosexual acts, after awhile, he will learn to adapt and get good at it....possibly learn to enjoy it if the Mistress enjoys it.

Am i way off base here or is there possibly some substance to this?

The fact that a guy takes whatever sex he can get in a male only environment (incarceration) doesn't mean that he's going to change his SEXUALITY and live life on the outside as a gay man.  Do you have statistics to prove that these guys are actually "converted" or are you simply speculating?



DiurnalVampire -> RE: forced bisexual acts (10/10/2006 1:10:49 PM)

Manipulated, yes.  Changed, no.
If a slave is denied sex with the gender they are actually attracted to, and their owner forces only sex with the opposite gender, then they may learn to enjoy that.  They will get enjoyment out of it if nothing else becasue the owner does.  However, in the event of their release, it is doubtful that they will actively pursue relations with those genders.  Rather, tey will take their oppertunities to return to the sex they were deprived of.
Or, at least judging by what I know of human nature and how my former pets have reacted, this is the opinion I hold.

(And incase anyone is wondering about the gender neutrality, forced bi isnt only with male-male interactions. So, I didnt want to use only guys)

DV



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