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RE: Ask a Master...isn't that a man? - 11/7/2006 11:13:43 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Aileen68

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One has to be logged in to read any forum, it is not specific to the forum

Actually it is specific.  One can read all of the forums as a guest except the Gorean forum.  You must be logged in to read there.


I stand corrected then.  I am never logged in as a guest so assumed something incorrectly.  Thanks for straightening that out.

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RE: Ask a Master...isn't that a man? - 11/7/2006 11:45:28 AM   
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edited, because it didn't address the initial post.......


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RE: Ask a Master...isn't that a man? - 11/7/2006 11:57:50 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Aileen68

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I guess since the site owners added the forum after they had already established these boards as a whole.... a different code was used when the gorean forum was created.

Or is it a conspiracy




It's because they discuss all kinds of secretive, hush hush, "Hail Grand Poobah" things...I think.  I've never actually ventured into there. 
I'm not one for protocal.

edited to add...IT WAS A JOKE  (the disclaimer is so I don't get flamed.  I'm in no mood for that today.)


Well damn, and I wanted to make smores.

P.S. But I do have cookies!!!!!......oh, and I share too.


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RE: Ask a Master...isn't that a man? - 11/7/2006 6:53:25 PM   
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I can understand why Gor is an easy mark....a lot of roleplayers find the scenarios too good to pass up and that can shine a poor light on those actually living as Master/slave.  In fact, hardcore roleplayers make fun of Goreans more than anyone else, in my experience.  I'm thinking  BDSM roleplaying doesn't take off due to the lack of weapons as weapons.  You need a fighting reason to roll the dice.  A good thing, no doubt.  Imagine the kids walking around shouting their mastery and doing a little 7-7-7 with nipple clamps and tongs.

I spent a fabulous weekend at a Gorean gathering this year and was also shocked to find everyone so...normal.  I really had to let go of the fantasy stuff I was immature enough to imagine but emotionally it was wonderful for me and I appreciated the chance to interact with some really admirable people.  Its not my intention to flame your opinion since busting Gor is a fairly common pastime and I may have had a silent chuckle once or twice myself after a night of watching casscading, flowing, spilling  limbs serve a cup of joe in just under 45 minutes.  (From experience, a Gorean Master expects it a whole hell of a lot faster than that.) 

Just suggesting that there are some fine individuals that might be alienated by being so easily dismissed.  Probably won't matter in your grand scheme of things, just saying.  Because I understand why we are all unique in our limits, it always surprises me that the harshest judgments of one's preference comes from the kinky side of the tracks.  Not you in particular in this case, just a general perception in my experience in various groups online.  It does seem more relaxed in person.  I guess we are less likely to point and laugh outright when we see someone's sincerity in person.

The next portion is definitely not directed towards you, Aileen -- didn't want to do another post.

In order to not be totally off topic:  When I first read the OP, I thought about another scenario that is even more disconcerting to me -- and this applies across the chatrooms, Gor or otherwise.   Why is it common that when a dominant or Master or Mistress is asked a question, their FC/submissive/slave often answers before them/ for them?  I'm going to get hit with a "because i'm not a doormat and i have valuable opinions" slams, aren't I?  <laughs>  Its not a huge problem for me, just makes me wince in embarassement for them which is my baggage, not their's.

As for the original topic itself, it does not seem like a big deal to me personally although I completely understand why someone would pose the question.  Why not ask?  If I choose to go to a medical center full of many different doctors and I choose to stand in a much longer line in order to see a female doctor, wouldn't I be any number of emotions if, when it was finally my turn, I was told she is out to lunch and I can only see a male doctor.  I would choose to wait.  There are moments -- albeit rare -- when I want a specific perspective, and I was in the right line, waited my turn...maybe I want to be stubborn about it.  

Sometimes we are so darn happy to hear ourselves talk we could be drowning out someone else or hijacking an intended direction.  I do not think that just because the original question is from a Gorean, it makes the question or the opinion laughable.  I appreciate the different labels of the forums.  None of them are set in stone but they do guide you to a particular area.....why would that be such a bad thing?  (Gosh, I think I just became an advocate for coloring inside the lines!! Aarrrgggh, when did I become old...how did that happen.)

Best wishes,
Christine

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RE: Ask a Master...isn't that a man? - 11/7/2006 10:55:14 PM   
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Tal,

I quite understand it's an open forum, but the question still remains, WHY would you want to post here in, "Ask a Master", if you are female?  

I wish you all well,

Another


Another

You seem to have started this thread and then no revisited it. If you do I have a question for you

Have you posted the same question in the Ask A Mistress forum asking why males post and reply in that forum?

If not, why not?

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RE: Ask a Master...isn't that a man? - 11/7/2006 11:06:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: feylin

I can understand why Gor is an easy mark....a lot of roleplayers find the scenarios too good to pass up and that can shine a poor light on those actually living as Master/slave.  In fact, hardcore roleplayers make fun of Goreans more than anyone else, in my experience.  I'm thinking  BDSM roleplaying doesn't take off due to the lack of weapons as weapons.  You need a fighting reason to roll the dice.  A good thing, no doubt.  Imagine the kids walking around shouting their mastery and doing a little 7-7-7 with nipple clamps and tongs.

I spent a fabulous weekend at a Gorean gathering this year and was also shocked to find everyone so...normal.  I really had to let go of the fantasy stuff I was immature enough to imagine but emotionally it was wonderful for me and I appreciated the chance to interact with some really admirable people.  Its not my intention to flame your opinion since busting Gor is a fairly common pastime and I may have had a silent chuckle once or twice myself after a night of watching casscading, flowing, spilling  limbs serve a cup of joe in just under 45 minutes.  (From experience, a Gorean Master expects it a whole hell of a lot faster than that.) 

Just suggesting that there are some fine individuals that might be alienated by being so easily dismissed.  Probably won't matter in your grand scheme of things, just saying.  Because I understand why we are all unique in our limits, it always surprises me that the harshest judgments of one's preference comes from the kinky side of the tracks.  Not you in particular in this case, just a general perception in my experience in various groups online.  It does seem more relaxed in person.  I guess we are less likely to point and laugh outright when we see someone's sincerity in person.


I actually use that Grand poobah remark in reference to many organized groups...Knight of Columbus, Masons,  the Catholic Church.  Not just towards Goreans.  Thus my JOKE disclaimer.  I really don't know anything about Goreans and have no opinion about them one way or another...except for Another here.  To me she's pretty close minded.  But I don't blame that entirely on her being Gorean.

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RE: Ask a Master...isn't that a man? - 11/7/2006 11:09:08 PM   
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except for Another here.  To me she's pretty close minded.  But I don't blame that entirely on her being Gorean.


No, that would be due to her being human...smiles.



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RE: Ask a Master...isn't that a man? - 11/7/2006 11:12:53 PM   
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except for Another here.  To me she's pretty close minded.  But I don't blame that entirely on her being Gorean.


No, that would be due to her being human...smiles.



And humans are notorious for lacking common sense.

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RE: Ask a Master...isn't that a man? - 11/7/2006 11:17:59 PM   
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OK, if this has been asked, then i apologize.
Was this bait? If the OP posted in here, it was meant for the females to answer, why wasnt the question asked in Ask A Mistress to inquire why we post in the forum NOT relegated to us?

DV

Since the OP seems to have gone silent, i have a feeling this will soon as well.


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RE: Ask a Master...isn't that a man? - 11/8/2006 6:23:39 AM   
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ORIGINAL: feylin

<snip>
I spent a fabulous weekend at a Gorean gathering this year and was also shocked to find everyone so...normal.  I really had to let go of the fantasy stuff I was immature enough to imagine but emotionally it was wonderful for me and I appreciated the chance to interact with some really admirable people. 
<snip>
In order to not be totally off topic:  When I first read the OP, I thought about another scenario that is even more disconcerting to me -- and this applies across the chatrooms, Gor or otherwise.   Why is it common that when a dominant or Master or Mistress is asked a question, their FC/submissive/slave often answers before them/ for them? 


You kind of already answered your question in the earlier portion of your post. Chatrooms are predominantly filled with people who you will most likely never meet out in the real world. A majority of these people wouldn't have a clue how to behave outside of their virtual realities.

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I'm going to get hit with a "because i'm not a doormat and i have valuable opinions" slams, aren't I?  <laughs>  Its not a huge problem for me, just makes me wince in embarassement for them which is my baggage, not their's.


I doubt it.... most everyone will tend to agree that you should get out of the chatrooms if you are seeking some reality.

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As for the original topic itself, it does not seem like a big deal to me personally although I completely understand why someone would pose the question.  Why not ask?


The point is that this individual wasn't asking legitimate questions, this individual already had their mind made up & was not seeking answers.

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If I choose to go to a medical center full of many different doctors and I choose to stand in a much longer line in order to see a female doctor, wouldn't I be any number of emotions if, when it was finally my turn, I was told she is out to lunch and I can only see a male doctor.  I would choose to wait.  There are moments -- albeit rare -- when I want a specific perspective, and I was in the right line, waited my turn...maybe I want to be stubborn about it. 


You are entitled to personal preference & under the circumstances you described above then you have to decide whether you are set in your conviction to only be seen by the female doctor & wait for her to return from her break or are you capable of compromise & see the male doctor so that you can get on with your day.

Now as for the question being posed to this board... the OP came into the Ask a Master forum & already had the knowledge that many different types of people post her but for some unknown reason (or might I suggest for a known reason) this individual targeted the dominant women. It is easy to track others movements on the boards... at the time I replied this member had only posted one time on the Gorean board & every other post was on here, with this thread & never once was any reply made that spoke of attempting to discover why women post here... they were more about enforcing an agenda of discrediting women who would post her & make attacks upon their womanliness. This tactic is something that runs rampant in the virtual gorean world but not in the real life gorean world (at least those who I have known in the real world).

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Sometimes we are so darn happy to hear ourselves talk we could be drowning out someone else or hijacking an intended direction.  I do not think that just because the original question is from a Gorean, it makes the question or the opinion laughable.  I appreciate the different labels of the forums.  None of them are set in stone but they do guide you to a particular area.....why would that be such a bad thing?  (Gosh, I think I just became an advocate for coloring inside the lines!! Aarrrgggh, when did I become old...how did that happen.)

Best wishes,
Christine


No one made fun of this person's gorean status but she opened herself up to gang type ridicule since it was unanimously perceived that this member posted in a deceptive fashion. This member was also never subject to any form of flaming. Look at it like one's personal preference for the female doctor of the male one you made, we are also entitiled to personal opinion & free to speak our personal opinions. 

Most posters on here will go to almost any length to help someone with real questions but when they show that their intentions are less than honest... they will be faced with less than favorable replies.

I have a great deal of respect for the gorean community & I am rather good friends with a few real-time houses. I was actually accepted in one at one time by a mentor. He was the first person to refer to me as a master & the way I look at it... coming from a gorean, that is the highest honor he could bestow upon me.

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RE: Ask a Master...isn't that a man? - 11/8/2006 4:21:05 PM   
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Hi, Aileen:

Glad to hear it -- I know it really doesn't matter but I do think you have a great sense of humor (from posts I have read) and I guess I was thinking you probably would have liked some of the folks I met even if the way they live might not be your cup of tea.

Best wishes,
Christine

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RE: Ask a Master...isn't that a man? - 11/8/2006 4:34:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Aileen68

edited to add...If you don't like it, then leave.  I'm in a bad mood today folks.  Sorry.


I'm not even a mistress and I find this to be excellent advice.

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RE: Ask a Master...isn't that a man? - 11/8/2006 4:41:49 PM   
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My question for you another, is it because of a Gorean mindset that you have trouble with the concept of women posting in a "man's" forum?

Just curious

curious,

The concept I have trouble with is why a woman would want to post here, commenting to a question that WAS/IS being directed towards men.  I hope this satisfies your curiousity.   And of course, I have several answers to my question, because you can.  Guess that is as good as it will get. 

I wish you well.

Another


I really want to know the answer to this: Why aren't you posting on the submissive forum asking masters why they are responding to posts directed at submissives? Is it only a problem when women step into a "man's" place? Do you object to male masters posting in the mistress forum? Honesty please...

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RE: Ask a Master...isn't that a man? - 11/8/2006 4:43:43 PM   
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Greetings julie,

My original question was not directed at submissives.

Be well,

Another


Wow... I'm sure this has been said someone else but let me second it: If you want a submissive to automatically obey you, ya have to post in the Gor section. Do not expect us to conform to your ideas. 

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RE: Ask a Master...isn't that a man? - 11/8/2006 4:45:53 PM   
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I missed it because I am just a lowly female submissive... gosh darn, when I grow up I want to be a man!


*cracks up* I think I love you.

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RE: Ask a Master...isn't that a man? - 11/8/2006 4:52:37 PM   
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First off, there are many women who identify as Master, secondly this is an public internet site, people can post where ever they like. Men and submissives/slaves post on ask a Mistress and i have never seen it as a problem, not sure why you do.

Also you said at the end of your post "Isn't this a section for MEN and slaves/subs?"  Well by your original post i assume you feel only Masters should post here, so no it wouldn't be for slaves/subs of either gender.

So bottom line, what's the problem?

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RE: Ask a Master...isn't that a man? - 11/8/2006 4:59:21 PM   
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I identify as a Master...

to my kitty. 

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RE: Ask a Master...isn't that a man? - 11/8/2006 5:01:11 PM   
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I identify as a Master...

to my kitty. 


damn.. you must be good..

all my kitty will call me is "bitch" and is usually followed with "where the hell's my dinner" LOL

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RE: Ask a Master...isn't that a man? - 11/8/2006 5:04:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: RedSavageSlave

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ORIGINAL: joyinslavery

I identify as a Master...

to my kitty. 


damn.. you must be good..

all my kitty will call me is "bitch" and is usually followed with "where the hell's my dinner" LOL


Yes, I've achieved complete mastery over my kitty. 

Btw...love your sig line! 

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RE: Ask a Master...isn't that a man? - 11/8/2006 5:05:42 PM   
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True - but a MASTER (masculine form) can never be a Mistress............... 'smirks'
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