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women addressing males..... - 1/1/2007 1:11:28 PM   
atendersoul


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with respects...
I lived within a Gorean family for many years.
I have read the comments from females here, none that I noted is stating themselves as freewomen....they tend to speak freely about the Way with their own opinions....
is there a different way within Gorean that maybe I lacked training in?

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RE: women addressing males..... - 1/1/2007 1:30:09 PM   
AlwaysLisa


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I'm not certain your exact question.

If you go to the profile of any woman in question, it will usually tell you their status, if that was your query. 

Lisa

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RE: women addressing males..... - 1/1/2007 1:48:33 PM   
atendersoul


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prime example here....
you state you are dominant but yet within your profile you say that you are not....that you still serve Sea....


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RE: women addressing males..... - 1/1/2007 2:05:11 PM   
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Greetings,

I am a little confused what you are asking here.

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I have read the comments from females here, none that I noted is stating themselves as freewomen....they tend to speak freely about the Way with their own opinions.... 


I am sensing you don't approve?

quote:

is there a different way within Gorean that maybe I lacked training in


And this seems sarcastic.

Am I reading this wrong?  Sometimes it is hard to convey in text what is meant, and if I have read it wrong I apologise. 

angharad

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RE: women addressing males..... - 1/1/2007 2:40:17 PM   
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Wouldn't it stand to reason that a Free Woman, in her way, is still serving men?  More to the point, this forum isn't exclusively for those who identify themselves as Gorean.  It'd be awefully quiet if only folks on Malkinius's list were permitted to speak here.

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RE: women addressing males..... - 1/1/2007 3:27:10 PM   
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atenders,

If I may ask you stated in your OP that you lived withhin a Gorean household for several years and your profile states you are a submissive. So where you trained as a kajira and live as a kajira within this Gorean household?

In your vast training within this Gorean household where you taught that Gorean men will correct the women around them weather Free or slave as they see fit?

In your vast training where you taught that Gorean men, enjoy knowing the thoughts and opinions of kajira?





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RE: women addressing males..... - 1/1/2007 3:55:25 PM   
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quote:

prime example here....
you state you are dominant but yet within your profile you say that you are not....that you still serve Sea.... 


and  why   can  she  not say  she  is  Dominant  ??

a FW  is submissive  to  the  right   FM
because she  submits  to him  it  does not make her any less of a  FW

I wonder  what  your  Gorean home  was like 

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RE: women addressing males..... - 1/1/2007 3:57:45 PM   
Camerius


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quote:

ORIGINAL: atendersoul

with respects...
I lived within a Gorean family for many years.
I have read the comments from females here, none that I noted is stating themselves as freewomen....they tend to speak freely about the Way with their own opinions....
is there a different way within Gorean that maybe I lacked training in?


The only Freewoman that I know IS a Freewoman and has even stated so by her own accord besides defended her position as such, is Jahna. How do I know so? Because she has stated herself to be so, and are accepted as such within the community because she has proved and earned that place over a long time period.

Many of the socalled "freewomen" we can point out either here on this board or at other places aren't often what they claim to be, they're most often flip-flop-flavour of the week "slaves" ( read BDSM subbies ) or BDSM Dommes playing Goreans for sexual kicks. This is very much the same trail you can follow on the "I R Gorean Master, bow to me"-wave that hits from time to time, many claim what they're not, a few do in time turn out to be what they say they are. Very few indeed.

The Freewomen that I talk with on a regular basis and knows of, are Freewomen, as they have been released by what ever reason their former owners had, to take their places in that home as Free Companions and live together as such. He might have seen her to be of more potential to him as such, could be that he viewed it as being wrong to have a slave to carry his children, and so on, the reasons are many, and his alone and for her to follow. Some have on their own, after extensive personal though and pondering found out that that's is where they fitted in in the Gorean community and philosophy, and have never gone through the slave to free transgression.

Now to continue, with the amount of the socalled Freewomen outthere I know and/or have talked with through the years, and there have been a lot. Only 6-8 ended within what fits the Gorean understanding of takeing and holding that position, the rest have shown time and time again to be the types I mentioned before, BDSM Dommes and flip-flop "slaves". These very few Gorean women have earned their places over time and through personal interaction helped the Gorean community and understanding in bother their field but too as a whole to move further ahead and grow stronger.


A Freewoman or female for that reason, only have as much power as the men around her allows her to have and hold. This is even more clear when you look at this in a Gorean understanding and setting. We, the men that follows this philosophy in our lifes, don't let a female, whether she is Free, slave or for that matter unowned, step out of their place. She's a female first and formost, and will be held as such in all areas, which also means that if the reasons are called for it, will include her to serve the men.

If you're still indoubt about some of the insights and understanding of the Freewoman, then go read the thread about this special subject, and read their thoughts of the matter and position. Some of the posts found there are very enlightning and interesting to read, and might help you in your "training".


Be well

Camerius














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RE: women addressing males..... - 1/1/2007 4:17:06 PM   
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Like Stephann said some of us do not claim Gorean but enjoy our time here alot. I know the general rules of this board and would like to think I follow them accordingly, like the post about a mans honor..... oh I wanted soooo bad to join the conversation but as the OP asked solely for the FM opinion inthat matter and I respect the person and his candor in making that statement, I kept my finger to myself.

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RE: women addressing males..... - 1/1/2007 4:39:07 PM   
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Standard Gorean protocols are not observed on this board, because, as it has already been mentioned, this board is not restricted to those who identify as Gorean, and therefore ought to know them.

I don't know where you served and trained, but calling the standards of a community into question as you just did is a rather bold beginning for a slave girl.  As a slave, you'd probably be better served to just observe how things go here, and then go with the flow.

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RE: women addressing males..... - 1/1/2007 6:16:15 PM   
AlwaysLisa


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atendersoul...

This forum does not cater to FW, you are either "a" dominant or "a" submissive, period.   When after years of service I was released, it was decided by the deciding factor in my life that I was not to list myself as "a" submissive, so that left one choice.    I am still serving and submissive "in nature" to his needs and I can see why this is confusing when using a forum to label people.

The gorean FW I have met and talk with are definately not what BDSM would classify as "a" dominant, yet in places such as this, it is hard to know just what to check off.

Hopefully reading here will ease your quandry.

Lisa



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RE: women addressing males..... - 1/1/2007 6:55:21 PM   
Stephann


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I have the distinct feeling we all just got rattled by a squeaky blender who was looking to make a Gorean smoothie....

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RE: women addressing males..... - 1/2/2007 3:15:26 AM   
nephandi


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Have i understood it corectly that what you are wondering aboute is why Freewomen and slaves speak freely to the men here? Well ther eis several reasons. Firstly this forum do not realy follow Gorean Etiquette, the econd is that if for example a slave was to ask to be aloved to speak whit every post this forum would be clogged up whit may i pleese speak Master posts. As for Freewomen, never have i heard they can not speak their mind, they are free, and while a Freewomen tend to be a bit more softspoken than the men she is a Free citisen and can speak as she wish. When it comes to slaves, well some Gorean forums have slave subforums that slaves can discuss in and they ahve to have premission to speak in the forums of the Free, this forum dont have that, think if it as a mixing pot for ideas and information here. Welcome to the forum i hope you will find good conversation and alot of fun here.

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