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RE: Does Courtesy Still Count? - 1/26/2007 12:29:01 AM   
Vendaval


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Greetings Orion,
 
I do think that the ADD and ADHD diagnosis are over-used
and that medication for these conditions are over-prescribed.
 
Structure, stability and discipline are good for guiding
the youngsters with too much energy.  I also think that
lack of proper nutrition and exercise; i.e. too much junk food,
sugar, preservatives, fat, TV watching, and video games;
contribute to the problem.
 
Peace,
 
 
Vendaval

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These ADD, ADHD, hyperactive kids never manifest around me. My nephew was actually diagnosed as such but after a year of being aon a strict schedule and me working with him one on one, this illness magically went poof. Not saying these conditions are not real, just that I do not think they are as prevalant as the pharmaceutical companies would have us believe, but that is for another thread.
Orion



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RE: Does Courtesy Still Count? - 1/26/2007 4:04:08 AM   
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Tal and good morning everyone,

I had so many different thoughts when I read this, that I'm not sure where to begin. The most recent threads about ADD and ADHD are of interest to me because of our own experiences with the Ritalin magic answer. I believe the drug was created and developed for use in the late 1980s and was widely distributed to an almost mass population of parents and teachers who complained about rowdy behavior, and to my understanding, to the specific rowdy behavior of boys. My younger son has a free spirit. He's been like that since he was born. Part of his maturing over the years has been learning when to randomly share that free spirit, and when it is appropriate to reign it. At 5, he entered the public school system in Florida, and was immediately placed into that batch of kids that created disturbances in school and were recommended for the magic pill. My husband was adamantly against such meds. He's adamantly against 99% of medications on the market, but that's a different thread too, and felt that the magic pill was a cop out for teachers who didn't want to handle issues, and for parents who didn't want to discipline. Instead of accepting the teacher's suggestion, and the doctor's recommendation, we did some research and approached it homeopathically. All of us went on a no sugar except for very special occassions (like a birthday might have cake) diet, a management of fibers, carbohydrates, and a mixture of vitamins in the right vegetables and vitamin supplements for our respective ages. Our doctor had 6 children. They were all boys. The last two were born 11 days after my youngest son, and instead of one, she had two that age. I think she took the school's recommendation seriously, but when she saw that we were going another route, she was supportive. She said, "Get that kid in soccer. You'll see a big difference." We did! We all played. My husband coached, I learned to referee, and the boys both played. We had a blast. We did it for 9 seasons. Diet and organized run time made a huge difference. It didn't solve all the problems. Nothing ever solves all the problems, but it did make a difference. If you have children or are given the opportunity to help teach or discipline others' children, make time to do research. Information is out there, and support groups are there too. It helped us. And the biggest support group we found ended up being our Soccer Org.

Now, fast forward to my youngest child's 14 (almost 15) year. He's visiting with young ladies. At Christmas he had a very cute little girlfriend. This is the age where the girls are calling him all the time, and he's loving the attention. He's not permitted to go out with girls one on one, but pack dating is fine. If a group meet up to bowl, that's great. Otherwise, if he wants one on one time, he has to have us or the girls' parents with him. It's actually a little different from our first dates when I was a teen. I like this new way of doing things a lot, and wish I'd had that stepping stone into the dating scene. The first few girls he hung around with were like female buds. They'd punch each other in the arm, play video games together at our house, watch movies, not particularly chick flick in nature, and just play together like they were genderless. We're currently on his fifth girlfriend, and suddenly he's copying his father's behavior. There isn't any punching. There is a little petting. He's opened the door for her before they leave to take her home. He's still the same energetic person with a free spirit that he was when he was five. Ten years have given him time to emulate others, good role models, and primarily his father.

I do not think courtesy is dead. I think it resides in the hands of those we call Master or Mate, and our sons, and our daughters. We may only be a remnant of society. Some people would not understand our way, natural order, a more primal approach to reality. There are those who'd instantly clump us into some sort of kink and not take us seriously because of it. I think, however, that it is this group of thinkers, and others out there in pockets meeting in person, meeting online, learning and discussing, this group of people are part of the group that is making a difference and keeping old school values alive.

Ashaia

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RE: Does Courtesy Still Count? - 1/26/2007 8:57:42 AM   
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Greetings,
I said in my previous post, no one has the right or my permission to ever strike my child, save me and my ex husband. If anyone took it upon themselves to strike my child, whatever the reason, they could consider themselves lucky, if I *only* took them to court for it.
well wishes,
Maahsatti

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RE: Does Courtesy Still Count? - 1/26/2007 9:00:40 AM   
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Hi Maz,
Just like a Master, has to weigh the situation, when punishing his slave and then make the choice, how to go about it. So does a parent with a child.When the situation calls for it, I use physical punishment, but not all the time, infact, it is my last resort descision to use such punishment. I believe it has its place and it serves well when used properly.
well wishes,
Maah

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RE: Does Courtesy Still Count? - 1/27/2007 2:33:58 AM   
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greetings

yes it does it counts so much

mons

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RE: Does Courtesy Still Count? - 1/27/2007 9:55:16 AM   
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Where to start?

Lets start with the destruction of the family unit.  divorced parents fighting to win their childrens affections.  kids that are in the system are the worst.  Lack of parental guidance.  People in america as a whole are not real brite.

Its the school system teaching revisionist history.  Political correctness to the point of stupidity.  Political correctness over constitutional rights.  We have legal abortion as well as many other laws even though its unconstitutional. How is a kid supposed to digest this?  If i were a kid i would sum it up as anything goes.

ipods, tv, xbox and on and on, kids are media programmed.  It comes down to the battle between parents and corporate pressure.  unfortunately corporate pressure usually wins.

its not simple, its huge social puzzle with many aspects thrown into the mix that would need to be simulataneously addressed, however it falls squarely on to the backs of being responsible parents, (plural), in the end.  Kids have no structure today.


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RE: Does Courtesy Still Count? - 1/27/2007 11:01:22 AM   
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Real,

Funny, adults have been saying that for thousands of years....

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RE: Does Courtesy Still Count? - 1/27/2007 11:15:16 AM   
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We have legal abortion as well as many other laws even though its unconstitutional.

Abortion is unconstitutional? 

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RE: Does Courtesy Still Count? - 1/27/2007 3:15:15 PM   
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Folks,

Sorry for the hijack.

Stef,

He believes it is.  The problem is how we interpret  the law; the Constitution doesn't define what constitutes a 'person' or not.  Indeed, this is precisely why slaves weren't considered to be 'persons.'  The subsequent definition that a slave would give his owner a 'portion' of a vote, indicates that the Constitution permits human 'like' creatures to exist, but not with the same rights to life, liberty, or pursuit of happiness that white males did.  Until the Suffrage amendments, it would seem women also would not have counted in the matter.

The purpose of law is not to permit us an action, but rather restrict or regulate it.  An abortion firmly straddles the grey area between 'murder' and 'medical procedure.'  The simple answer, for the states and nation, would be to a) pass an amendment to the constitution to make the determination of what exactly constitutes a person, or b) pass legislation that specifically prohibits the medical procedure.  That there are existing laws that regulate abortion (i.e. it must be done by medical personnel, it must be done before the third trimester, etc) with no laws to the contrary, sets the precedent. 

Personally, I am against abortion.  Publicly, I don't think the government should be given the right to make a woman's decision for her, in this: that puts me in the pro choice camp.  In a democracy, there are adequate legislative mechanisms in place to permit a law to be passed that I don't agree with.  It happens all the time.

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