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Gor - What is it? - 1/27/2004 12:00:21 AM   
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Gor - What is it?

(disclaimer: I am not starting this thread to initiate debate on the specific points of Gorean trivia. Anyone who wishes to take me head on in Gorean trivia is welcome to do so with me via email.)

In 1982, when I was five years old, I distinctly remember begging my father to take me downtown to see a movie. In the beginning of Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan was based on a series he watched almost fanatically as a teenager. About ten minutes into the movie, there is a scene where slugs called ceti eels are dropped into the ears of three crewmembers. I'll spare the gory details, and only say that I didn't see the rest of the movie until I was nine years old as my father had carried me, kicking and screaming from the theatre.

I can think of few topics of debate in any online forum that raises the hackles and brings out the claws like when the word Gor is mentioned. After some time in this message forum and looking through the ads, I've found a fair number of individuals who identify themselves as Gorean (or practicing Gor in some fashion) and I've seen probably an equal number of individuals who state expressly they have no desire to interact with those who are Gorean. In the various threads, Gor has come up on occasion, and I thought I might offer my own observations on what I have learned of Gor in the past few years. In no way do I claim to be either Gorean, nor an expert, but simply someone who has read some of the books, and has enjoyed Gorean roleplay online for some time, and has met a number of self-professed Goreans in real life. The opinions stated are my own, and I gladly take responsibility for them.

In 1998, I was stationed in the Marines in Washington DC, a rather expensive place to live. My wife and I met a Professional Dominatrix at a dance club who invited us to her house for a 'play party.' We witnessed spanking demonstrations, met cross dressers, and watched a woman being electrocuted with what seemed to be a home made tens unit. My ex-wife and I remained friends with the woman, though we never 'played' in BDSM terms. We'd go dancing, and enjoyed her company as 'vanilla' friends. Not once was a discussion of the lifestyle in relation to power exchange, D/s, or other relationship issues discussed.

About three years ago I wandered into a Yahoo! BDSM chat room. What I found was discussions of elements of the lifestyle I never knew existed, though I had spent over a year as a close friend of a Dominatrix who was very open about her life. I learned through online conversations with others who seemed to know what they were talking about, about the nature of D/s and M/s relationships. Later I would learn more about SAM, though I didn't find I had any real taste for it until recently. One drawback of the BDSM chat rooms, was the myrid of behavior in the rooms that seemed better suited for a day care center. After a few months, someone whom I spoke with casually mentioned I might enjoy the Gor rooms, though she didn't really explain why, other then they were more structured.

My first experience with Gor chat was bizzare indeed, and I will discuss it on a humor thread some day. My second experience, was a bit less unsettling, the room was called 'Katanas of Gor.' Having a familiarity with Japanese culture, I thought "what the heck" and went in, identified myself as a newbie, and was welcomed to observe. It took time and patience, but within a month I learned what 'Gor' actually meant, that the online roleplay was based on science fiction books in the 1960s and 1970s, and that the online roleplay was quite similar to a structured D/s chat room. In the since three years, and a fair bit of time reading the books, I've learned a great deal about Gor.

What is Gor?

Gor is the name of a popular series of science fiction books, twenty six in all, penned by a man using the name John Norman. The word itself refers to a planet in the books that exists in our solar system, in 'opposite orbit' from earth (and sometimes called the counter-urth for this reason.) As with any science fiction book, suspended disbelief is required.

This planet's technology is restricted by higher beings, preventing the development of weapons more advanced then an axe, crossbow, sword, spear, net, and other such weapons of steel hand weapons. Any person attempting to create or make use of projectiles (arquebus, etc, ancient predecessors of handguns) or armor beyond a sheild and helmet is killed instantly by a 'blue flame' (again suspended disbelief.) The cities on this planet are derived in large from ancient Grecian, Roman, Middle Eastern, and Nordic cultures. A common element is that much of the land is desolate and harsh, with the vast majority of civilization concentrated in large 'city states' not unlike Athens or Sparta of Grecian times.

The word Gor, in addition to being the name of this planet, also refers to the concept of a 'home-stone' which can best be understood in terms of the concept of community - that is to say, all individuals who live within a city support their homestone (represented by a physical stone of some sort) by working towards a greater good of the city. Life is ruled by a well established caste system derived from birth including peasants, merchents, herders, metal workers, warriors, scribes, physicians, and many other necessary functions for people to work within.

What the heck does any of this have to do with BDSM?

The bulk of the books follow a character named Tarl, who was taken from Earth, and chronicals his 'transition' from being a man of earth, to a Gorean warrior. During Tarl's travels and adventures, a heavy focus is on his interaction with female slaves. On Gor, part of the accepted society values is that roughly 3% of the female population, and a tiny fraction of the male population is enslaved. The books, on the other hand, focus nearly 50% of their time on slaves, with example after example of 'free women' finding joy in submitting totally as slaves.

A heavy theme in Gorean philosophy is rooted in 'natural order' of male dominance. The concept of female dominants is almost alien, as all women - free or slave - are beholden to free men, much as submissive women are beholden to men in D/s terms. The difference between a free woman and slave, is a cultural and legal (in terms of this fictional planets many different city laws) is that any slave may be beaten, whipped, or killed by any free man, while a free woman is culturally and legally protected within her city, usually by her brothers, father, sons, and other relatives. In a fashion remniscent of Middle Eastern culture, most cities require that free women wear veils to hide their face, robes, gloves, and other concealing garb. A free woman who so much as shows an ankle might be seen as scandelous, and might very well find herself stripped naked on the street and a collar placed on her neck forcibly by any free man who wanders down the street. This social implication reflects this Gorean philosophy that all women are at the mercy of men.

The books describe in intimate detail the obligations and duties of a slave, should she wish to remain alive another day. In the books, it's written that a slave who isn't found pleasing may be beaten, sold, or even killed at the whim of her owner or any other man who she fails to please. Interestingly enough, in twenty six books, not a single slave is killed for disbehavior or disobedience - though many 'come close.'

The focus of the books and the Gorean philosophy as it may apply in a persons real life, has nothing to do with brutality, threats of violence, or men trying to live on Gor-on-earth. The books themselves spend enormous amounts of time discussing the psychological ramifications of 'romantic' slavery. Every prominant free woman in the books, save for one, eventually finds 'joy' in being forced into slavery. Tarl himself finds peace within himself, at accepting his place as a dominant male, and everyone lives happily ever after. A great deal of time is also invested in the beauty of the female slaves, with more time spent embracing the wonder and mystique that is woman, then on bloodshed and intrigue of the different cities.

Online verses book Gorean interaction is a little tricky. Online, with the exception of AOL's Gor chats, the various Gorean chat rooms are in one way or another, roleplay (play acting if you will) of life on Gor. Slaves in these chat rooms are not always slaves in real life, or even submissives. Many enjoy online interaction the same way others might enjoy a chat room based on Gardening (even if I don't have a garden) or about autos (even if I own a 1992 Honda Civic with the bumper falling off) or any other topic of interest. The difference between Gorean and BDSM interaction, is the generally accepted protocols that evolved when Internet Relay Chat emerged some 10 years (or more) ago, and the bullatin board systems that cropped up before then. Not unlike Star Trek fanatics, those who fell in love with the idea of being 'Goreans' could interact with one another, virtually sharing ideas and thoughts on what amounts to a subculture of BDSM lifestyles. A whole Gorean language even evolved, the same way many Lord of the Ring fanatics developed Elvish, and Trekkies developed the Klingon language. A (very, very bad I've been told) movie was even shot in the mid 80s based on Norman's Gor.

Most real life Goreans I've met will openly state they do not believe themselves to be living on Gor. They acknowlege that they are born on earth, and are accountable to their local laws and customs. Many of these men are married to their slaves, have children with them (a BIG by the book no-no, as the children of slaves are slaves as well), and spend their whole lives enjoying Gor as a hobby as much as an interest. Online, they may assume any number of roles, and offline they work normal jobs. The only 'Goreans' I've ever spoken to who advocated the right to kill their slave, the right to sell her, or the right to enslave their children were in chat room environments. Many Goreans are also active in the Society for Creative Anachronism (http://sca.org for more information.)

Why Gor?

When I first started chatting in D/s rooms, I quickly grasped the concept of 'why' I felt dominant, and why I dated submissive women. What I didn't grasp so quickly, and what few people were able to explain, was 'how' to express my role. If I have a slave sitting next to me, and we're talking, how do I know what to do with her? How do I know if I should use a belt on her ass, or if I should silence her, or if I should just listen to her ramble? How did I know if I was dealing with a 'brat' and how would I know when I am simply being overbearing? I knew I always wanted to be in control and dominate my lovers and girlfriends, because I found pleasure when I could make their lives 'content' though I had a hard time seeing how this was different from co-dependency. These aren't such simple questions to answer, for many people embrace BDSM lifestyles for many different reasons.

Some enjoy the fact that Gor isn't strictly about kinks. In fact, the vast majority of the books focus on psychological issues, with barely a hint of actual BDSM activities. Most who claim to be Gorean actively refute that they do not engage in BDSM lifestyles, that Gor is an entirely seperate form of lifestyle. I lend this a little weight as I pen this, as the concepts discussed in Gor also deal with Machiavellian philosophy with a healthy dose of common sense. Essentially, in reading through the books, a gradual illustration of domination and submission lifestyles is illustrated, over and over. The reader becomes desensetized to scenerios that would ordinarily shock and appall the average vanilla person. In reading three or four of the novels, it becomes clear what the writer believes interaction between men and women should consist of in terms of male dominance and female submission. I occasionally refer to it as a 'beginners guide to D/s' though the instruction manual is very...very boring to read. The books themselves are poorly written, use shoddy descriptions, with only the occasional flash of brilliance for every two hundred pages or so. For someone who has always felt that they were 'missing' something when it came to D/s, Gor does offer a pretty clear step by step rulebook for how a Master and slave should interact.

My own personal answer, is that Gor offered me answers that I didn't find in my real life BDSM, and later online D/s chat experiences. In learning about Gor, and interacting with others who took their lifestyles seriously, I was able to grasp things about myself that I had always felt. In the end, self-awareness is always a high price, and never without work. The tools we use to achieve this awareness is neither good nor bad, but simply a tool. I do not actively consider myself Gorean, for I believe that to be a limiting term - though if you were to ask others who have grown to know me, they might tell you I was as Gorean as they come in their eyes, through virtue of my words and actions over the months and years they grew to know me.

In the end, I am happy with who I am, I enjoy Master/slave relationships, I am a Sadist, and a whole host of other labels and terms that cannot be found in a book of Gor. Others who claim to be real life Gorean, in my eyes, have as much right to enjoy their lives as Goreans as I do to call myself a Sadist, a Wiccan, or a liberal Republican. When I say any of those terms, others can understand what it means, though any or all of those labels could very well land me in jail, depending on the county I am visiting (chuckles.)

My Father enjoyed the Star Trek shows, and has a christmas ornament of the USS Enterprise on the tree every year. He did not change his name to James Tiberous Kirk, he doesn't say live long and prosper, and he doesn't carry a Star Trek replica cell phone. I enjoyed the concepts of Gor, I enjoy debating them even - but no, I do live on earth.

What Gor is NOT

Again, I include the caveat, that these are MY opinions only - but I hold them VERY strongly.

- Gor is NOT real life sex slave trade or a valid excuse for real life prostitution where illegal

- Gor is NOT an excuse for a mental or physical torture outsdide of SSC or RACK parameters, even his own slave, for Goreans love their lives, and the lives of others around them, and especially love beauty.

- Gor DOES NOT relieve a person of responsibility to their family or children

- Gor DOES NOT relieve a person of responsibility to their communities - in fact, one of the strongest tenents of Gorean philosophy is a deep committment to furthering one's home and community; this includes obeying all laws of that community

- Gor is NOT a cult, anymore then people who loved the Rocky Horror Picture Show were cultists.

- Gor is NOT a religion, being Gorean does not affect one's ability to practice or enjoy the faith of their choice, but rather is simply a philosoph - a way of seeing the world

- Gor is NOT a real planet

- Gor is NOT a secret tradition, and anyone who claims to have secret, hidden Gorean wisdom or knowlege is either selling you something or has something sharp and deadly in that brown paper bag.

- Goreans are NOT necessarily polyarmorous, though the books expressly state that a man may own more then one slave, this does not mean he must in order to be Gorean.

- Gor DOES not replace common sense. If it feels wrong - DONT DO IT.

I hope this is found useful to any who have curiousity, and if anyone wishes to reproduce it, I only ask it be reproduced in full, including my name and email so that all hate mail might find it's way to the proper villan.
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RE: Gor - What is it? - 1/27/2004 10:39:33 AM   
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Stephan,

I find myself, yet again, in complete agreement. (Except that you're wrong about there being a very, very bad Gor movie. There were, in fact, two very, very bad Gor movies.)

Our journies through the Gorean milieu are not dissimilar. Having cast my nets into Gorean waters, I've salvaged some bits of quality from the mass haul of tripe.

The Gorean philosophies place a man's honor as paramount over all. In the reading of these books, you often find your honor and ethics challenged by comparison. Norman often outlines the stark contrasts between Gorean and Terran philosophies. You may or may not agree with the Gorean precepts of honor and ethics, but any time that you spend reflecting on your own personal codes is time well spent.

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"The morality of Earth, from the Gorean point of view, is a morality which would be viewed as more appropriate to slaves than free men. It would be seen in terms of the envy and resentment of inferiors for their superiors. It lays great stress on equality and being humble and being pleasant and avoiding friction and being ingratiating and small. It is a morality in the best interest of the slaves, who would only be too eager to be regarded as the equals of others. We are all the same. That is the hope of the slaves, that is what it is in their interest to convince others of. The Gorean morality on the other hand is more one of inequalities, based on the assumption that individuals are not the same, but quite different in many ways. It might be said to be, though this is over simple, a morality of Masters. Guilt is almost unknown in Gorean morality, though shame and anger are not. Many earth moralities encourage resignation and accommodation; Gorean morality is bent more towards conquest and defiance; many earth moralities encourage tenderness, pity, gentleness, and sweetness; Gorean morality encourages honor, courage, hardness, and strength. Gorean morality many earth moralities might ask "why so hard?" to these earth moralities, the Gorean ethos might ask, "why so soft?"


Now, I dont' claim the Gorean title because I define myself by my own standards. Those may agree or disagree with Norman's. I walk my path, wherever it may lead. It's for others to walk theirs.

To draw some clearer distinction, and illustrate why I do not consider myself Gorean, I'll list some of the points on which Norman and I differ.

1) In Norman's philosophy, all women are in one of two states: They are slaves or they are secretly, desperately wishing that they were slaves.

I will readily acknowledge that women respond to strength in men. I know enough femme dommes who have stables of subbies whom they care nothing for.. and one romantic interest who is stronger and dominant.

Wanting and appreciating strength in men does not, however, equate to a need for complete abasement and a pledge of life long servitude in abject slavery.

Norman's view of submission is very binary in nature. Either slave or free (and waiting to be a slave). I feel that there are many more degrees in between.

2) In Norman's philosophy, men are, by birthright, put in a position of dominance.

I dare say that a great many men - most, in fact - are completely inept and incapable of understanding dominance. This includes a large number of men who put women in collars. Too many cannot comprehend the difference between dominance, which is born in strength and control - and domineering, which is born in fear and tyranny.

Anyone can whip a girl into submission. There's no art to that.

3) In Norman's world, you trust those within your circle of steel and regard all others as potential enemies unless they prove otherwise.

There's nothing wrong with that approach. It just doesn't suit me so well. I'm fairly congenial in nature and I tend to give people room to fuck up. If they do, I excommunicate them. If not, then they stay. I don't know that my way is better, but I do know that it's less stressful. ;o)

There's more, but that will do for now.

The Gorean texts are full of shit and wisdom, as are most philosophical works. It's for us to determine which bits we accept and which we discard. (Optionally, of course, you can give the whole thing a miss).

Now, in the interest of equal time, here is my favorite bit of wisdom from all of Norman's works:
quote:

But the Goreans have a saying, which came to me in the darkness, in the hall. Do not ask the stones or the trees how to live; they can not tell you; they do not have tongues; do not ask the wise men how to live, for, if he knows, he will know he can not tell you; if you would learn how to live do not ask the question; it's answer is not in the question but in the answer, which is not in words; do not ask how to live, but, instead, proceed to do so.


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RE: Gor - What is it? - 1/27/2004 3:18:50 PM   
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AHHHH ~~
Kudos Voltare , words well spoken and ones simalar to that I have been speaking for many years now on MSN and across the W W W. In fact that hate mail that you mentioned I deal with every day because of My simalar views that are from long befor GOR was on line and there was a computer to chat about it on. And ooooh by the way it does no good to post addresses to the Gorean Society News when most of Us Old Time Real Life Goreans whom are also BDSMers are barred and banned from the site for speaking Our words there as well. When Heidi is on one of her whims of distaste for the day in what other Goreans state in their Own opinions she has no trouble banning Them same as She banned Me the second week that the Society News was opened. But I will not take up that issue here and now. Just note that there are many Good Goreans whom have been practicing living its Life for over 20 years and whom are on line on the boards and in chat and role play and They are not allowed to speak Freely in the Society News. But You are always welcome in A place that allows All Goreans entry for chat, enjoy commeradery or discussion or Roleplay even on page 2 of MSN Lifestyles or Romance or General pay chats or in the GOR- free chat room in the GOR- GROUP or right here at WORLD of GOR on Collarme. There has allready been sum great readings and writings that have come out of Goreans from all servers chatting on their Homestones beliefs from their rhelms here on CollarMe.com ~smiles~ Just a FW Opinion. And welcome to Collarme.com!

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RE: Gor - What is it? - 2/7/2004 8:57:30 AM   
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First of all, thank you for this post. I am particularly glad to see the following:

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- Goreans are NOT necessarily polyarmorous, though the books expressly state that a man may own more then one slave, this does not mean he must in order to be Gorean.


I was once informed that I could never be a kajira because I am unwilling to be anything other than monogamous. I think that whatever two consenting adults decide to do together is their own deal, and I am curious what you make of what I was told.

And again, thank you. I've been reading your posts in the forums, and they are all excellent. I'm glad that you emailed me. :)


Be well,
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RE: Gor - What is it? - 2/7/2004 10:00:02 AM   
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To answer that issue, briefly, the issue isn't that a Gorean slave is monogamous, or polyarmourus - but rather, she leaves the decisions regarding the nature of the household to the person who owns her. Essentially, the 'choice' to be poly or mono rests within the discretion of the Dominant, not the slave. In real life, the key would simply be to ask a potential owner on his feelings for a poly household, and express your own view. If I collared a slave who expressly stated her frustration and aversion to a poly household, I (personally) would be unlikely to take another slave unless I felt her feelings on the matter had changed.

The question about Goreanism isn't rooted in a series of what is or is not acceptable per John Norman's world of Gor, but rather making use of his model to facilitate a relationship between two people. Submitting the whole of one's will is difficult, whether you call it kajira, slave, sub, painslut, whore, or whatever. Find enjoyment, wherever you may.

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RE: Gor - What is it? - 2/7/2004 10:02:42 AM   
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In agreement over the honesty issue--these are things that definitely need to be discussed before one even dreams of being a slave. Otherwise both people just wind up unhappy.

Glad to hear that there is openmindedness about the mono vs poly issue. I seem to run into people who think that anyone who is straight and monogamous is "vanilla." My response is that "No, I just think it adds a greater intensity and focus." :)


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RE: Gor - What is it? - 2/7/2004 10:28:49 AM   
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actually We as Human Beings tend to follow Alternates because they relate to what We as that Being agree with in its concept and this is the debate with GOR and those whom choose to follow its concepts in Real Life.( My GOR is right Yours is Wrong and in fact I fight daily the concept of many On Line Goreans whom feel that BDSM or M/s is not a part of GOR period there for making My GOR wrong and am ousted as Gorean for such thoughts) In Gor there are Lifes being lived on a singular leval as well as one with many people in close relationships and the common concepts of the Life that which is being the Male Dominanted M/s take of the cronicles. It does not matter if the characters in the books are mono or poly and infact both lifestyles are lived and written about side by side with none looking down at either choice and are accepted equally as a normal part of the GOREAN living. The bigger questions in GOR tend to be the Male Dominance over Female Dominance issue then that of servitude in a one on one manner or one of many in Real Life practices of GOREANS.
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RE: Gor - What is it? - 2/7/2004 10:35:18 AM   
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I see a lot of that fundamentalism in the BDSM communities: "You're not a real sub/Dom if", "This is the REAL way to do it", "This way is the WRONG way", et cetera. And it's quite a shame because people keep coming into the lifestyle and think that they have to be a certain way, have a certain kink, type a certain way in the chatrooms (my biggest pet peeve), have certain interests, et cetera.

I really hope that people can try and eliminate that as much as possible.


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RE: Gor - What is it? - 2/8/2004 11:45:30 AM   
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Gor, well that is an interesting catch phrase my friends.. Alot of persons play at this online and find unique benefits from it. Offline very few find it to be totally livable(sp) due to reality interfering. The closest I usually see to a gorean lifestyle in real life is TPE total power exchanges.

Now you will find Gorean in my profile I use it to indicate a type of control I expect from those I deal with. I have read all the Gor books at one time or another.. They were quite interesting in my earlier years as an Old Guard Master.. Now I will admit a certain affinity for TPE but even then I like most other reasonable folk blend what parts I enjoy of BDSM in its many forms to form my unique viewpoint.

Many of you are right there are too many preconcieved notions about what you have to be when you enter this lifestyle.. Basically it is just like sex though.. Different strokes for different folks. LOL Seriously.. After 20 odd years I think I am somwhat of an experienced person in these matters. You need to decide what is for you and what you want to try and what you want to work towards and yea what you will never try. That will define your particular style of this lifestyle.

Well enough from this old man.. Take care folks and I enjoyed this thread..

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RE: Gor - What is it? - 2/9/2004 7:13:21 AM   
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Thought provoking thread. Thanks Voltaire.

My own reactions, based on my own experiences as a "Service Oriented Master."

(A term bestowed upon me years ago by Jon Jacobs, I believe it was, after daring to disagree with His Emenance and his owner. )

Anyway, I siezed upon it, as it's the essence of what makes me not a Gorean, and it's also what's wrong with it, when it does go wrong. The overlap between my nature and the "what if" contingancy is, I realize, the only time I'm likely to interact with Gorean submissives.

Or to put it another way, over the years I've cleaned up more than one wet mess.

I'm of the opininon this is a case where the greatest strength is the greatest weakness; many men do need to be "given permission" or validation for behaving in a dominant way, and the context helps.

Frankly, I think Norman fell into this category himself, so he didn't say much of use to those further along the spectrum.

The difference between good dom and mere asshole is at times very fine, perhaps only visible in context, and I don't see a lot in Gor that actually distinguishes between the two states; I do see a lot in it that allows exploitive assholes to justify their behavior.

This is also true of BDSM in general, and indeed, corporate life.

However, I do believe we'd all be better served by a New Revalation of Gor. :)

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RE: Gor - What is it? - 2/10/2004 1:09:09 AM   
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NO MORE TRUE A WORD SAID MR KING:

The difference between good dom and mere asshole is at times very fine, perhaps only visible in context, and I don't see a lot in Gor that actually distinguishes between the two states; I do see a lot in it that allows exploitive assholes to justify their behavior.
This is also true of BDSM in general, and indeed, corporate life.

If You dont run with the pack of wolfs You get eaten is what I was brought up being told........So I made My Own Pack cause I dident desire to be food.

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RE: Gor - What is it? - 2/11/2004 6:17:12 AM   
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In a nutshell, yes; that's what I did as well.

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RE: Gor - What is it? - 12/24/2004 1:50:25 AM   
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She banned Me the second week that the Society News was opened. But I will not take up that issue here and now. Just note that there are many Good Goreans whom have been practicing living its Life for over 20 years and whom are on line on the boards and in chat and role play and They are not allowed to speak Freely in the Society News.


This no longer a problem as I now Own this rag of Heidi's and all its content that She tempted to erase. ~~rolls My eyes~~ stupid Free Woman.....

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RE: Gor - What is it? - 12/24/2004 4:19:17 AM   
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I avoid those who are "into" Gor for the very same reasons I avoid those who are "Trekkies". They have their little world; I have my big one. Just a preference though; not going to declare war on Gors or Trekkies; just avoid them.

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RE: Gor - What is it? - 12/24/2004 4:56:00 PM   
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"Gor" is basically an IRC cult.

You'd think there'd be Gorean parties and clubs, which would be fun. But no. The Goreans seem to get little traction in the real world.

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RE: Gor - What is it? - 12/24/2004 6:39:27 PM   
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actually that isn't true at all...and this is someone vehemently not Gorean..but just correcting a very blatant mistruth

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RE: Gor - What is it? - 12/24/2004 7:10:46 PM   
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Thank You afmvdp.

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RE: Gor - What is it? - 12/26/2004 10:25:11 AM   
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I plowed through 1 Gor book and was not impressed. My problem was that I could never tell the Nafkas and the Meshuganahs apart.

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RE: Gor - What is it? - 12/26/2004 12:12:46 PM   
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This is quite an excellent posting.

I personally abhor Gor (small rhyme) as most of the people involved in it are rather egregiously overtly and sublimely idiotic about their "world" and behave like asses.

One of my favorite statements is that "The Superman comics had a parallel world on the opposite side of the sun as well" (the name of that parallel world says it all).

But, seriously... this is an honest portral of the Gor phenomenon - and, rather good.

~J

(PS: 'Tiberius' is spelt incorrectly in "Kirk"'s name - he was allegedly named after the Roman emperor and warrior.)




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RE: Gor - What is it? - 12/26/2004 2:17:27 PM   
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quote:

"Gor" is basically an IRC cult.
You'd think there'd be Gorean parties and clubs, which would be fun. But no. The Goreans seem to get little traction in the real world.


Ok, it's been a while but here we go...

Actually your statement could not be further from the truth. It is the experience
of this LEATHER BDSM trained/kajira slave (Gorean), that in general there are many
that are not aware of just how many Gorean communities there are. NO not here online
but in RT.

Master and stormi belong to a couple of them.

The problem is that the term Gor brings alot of times such venom from otherwise
great BDSM / leather lifestylers. Some can speak of it politely while disagreeing with
the very basics and that is ok. Goreans it is this girl's opinion have over time gotten
so alienated... <maybe not the right word but it presents the picture> by the BDSM
community in general that Goreans tend to be very careful of who joins the groups/clubs
and who has the opportunity to be close to or maybe inside that tight knit circle.

Most everyone who does not understand Gor, tend to be very abrasive and at times attacking
of those that are Gorean. Because we choose to be different. When infact if we would all just
march to the beat of our own drums we might actually find the two actually cross paths of beliefs
alot.

Master is a lifelong Gorean Master, stormi was a very experienced leather trained submissive when
she met Master. While wording and some beliefs are very different alot of it is so similar you forget
where Gor begins and leather ends. The thing that stands out the most for stormi is the marking of slaves.

In leather, a sub/slave is more likely to be tattooed or jeweled on the right, while in Gorean beliefs
the slave is always tatooed/jeweled on the left. (Left in Leather is a sign of Dominance.)(Right in Gorean
is a sign of being a Master, Ubar, or Free)

But the bottom line is ....... MARCH to your OWN drum and the rest of the world be dayumed.
stormi would rather be true to herself and be happy than to go with the flow of the "norm" and
be miserable.

There is never a need or reason or excuse to be intolerant of anothers lifestyle or what makes them happy.
By the same token there is no reason to lie about them either....

Just call this girl a proudly owned kajira slave.


stormi
property of Master Bear

Master Bear ( TEMJI@yahoo.com)
stormiKnight_Bear (stormiKnight_Bear@yahoo.com)

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PROUD TO BE TEXAN AND AMERICAN BY BIRTH~
GOD BLESS TEXAS AND THE U.S.A !!!!

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