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The Impact of Online Gorean Roleplay - 1/21/2007 7:50:50 PM

Stephann

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I'll keep this brief. Reader, please keep responses respectful , otherwise this will end up uglier than Baghdad, and the last flame will be those of the Priest King/Moderators.

Online Gorean Roleplay has it's place. Many real lifers make a special effort to refute and denounce it, heedless of the fact that they are denouncing this roleplay in an online forum.

We learn of lifestyles where we learn of them. I've never met someone on the street who was familiar with John Norman or the Gor series. I don't think I would have even learned about Gor, had I not met people in a D/s room who knew about it... from other chatters, no less.

It's this sort of internet 'word of mouth' that has fueled the Gorean counter/sub culture in the first place. At the worst, they are simply mental (and occasionally leading to physical) masturbation. At their best, they can provoke curiosity, discussions, and reflections on the reality we all live in.

We do what we do, in our free time, because we (hopefully) enjoy it. There's never any sense in judging other people on how they spend their free time, so long as there is no harm being done.

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RE: The Impact of Online Gorean Roleplay - 1/21/2007 8:04:13 PM

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Stephann,

It may indeed have it's place, and I can see where it may have the potential to teach others but the majority of role players I have had contact with are not very into the philosophies. Instead they seem to be more caught up in serves and cybersex. Many make themselves out to know so much, but know so very little. Even the ones that seem to know the books very well, do not seem to know the difference in the customs and the philosophies. It is these that many RT Goreans have a problem with. When I say the bushell of apples is bad, it does not mean every single apple is bad and there may be some that can be eaten, the bushell is still bad.

I will not disagree there there have many some that come from their first exposure to online Gor, and have a very sound understanding of the philosophies, you and Malkinius are good examples. That does not remove the fact that super sexy Ubars with their harems still seem to be the status quo in the RP chat areas that I have been exposed to.

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I'll keep this brief. Reader, please keep responses respectful , otherwise this will end up uglier than Baghdad, and the last flame will be those of the Priest King/Moderators.

Online Gorean Roleplay has it's place. Many real lifers make a special effort to refute and denounce it, heedless of the fact that they are denouncing this roleplay in an online forum.

We learn of lifestyles where we learn of them. I've never met someone on the street who was familiar with John Norman or the Gor series. I don't think I would have even learned about Gor, had I not met people in a D/s room who knew about it... from other chatters, no less.

It's this sort of internet 'word of mouth' that has fueled the Gorean counter/sub culture in the first place. At the worst, they are simply mental (and occasionally leading to physical) masturbation. At their best, they can provoke curiosity, discussions, and reflections on the reality we all live in.

We do what we do, in our free time, because we (hopefully) enjoy it. There's never any sense in judging other people on how they spend their free time, so long as there is no harm being done.

Stephan

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RE: The Impact of Online Gorean Roleplay - 1/21/2007 9:36:48 PM

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There indeed is nothing at all with online roleplay, if it stays online , However in reality .. the abbertions they come to fall in love with be it, the idea or slave or Master,( talking about normal not acceptional tho there are those about) it crosses over with them and with the twinkle in their eye that is what they go out seeking (once they decide or if they decide to go real) but drat it.. Fabio and Angelina aren't there :(,, just a person.. so we as the community get the brunt of the episode with the vocal expressions / slanderious web writings of "what we are" type of lash outs" cause we wern't able to fulfill there expectations. On the other hand it's a really great way to learn in some things( different prespectives played out in story form) but theres no substitute for the real thing~wink~ So the part about it doing no harm.. i sorta debate on that
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RE: The Impact of Online Gorean Roleplay - 1/21/2007 10:22:17 PM

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I would have to liken it to all of the so-called "computer geniuses" for myself.

They make my life harder at times, but most of the time, they have absolutely no impact upon me. The ones that truly want to learn about the craft will eventually become more useful and potential coworkers that don't make my life harder, the ones who want to just get by and be 'hacks'... well, I don't have much respect for them, but they can fix workstations or work in a call center.

If you frequent the online chat rooms, they can be annoying. If you don't... the only way I can think of encountering them would maybe be at a convention, but I haven't really seen much in the way of Gorean conventions, but I'm still learning.

Maybe I'm looking at this from too academic of a point of view, I'd look at it as a way of correcting them... if they were computer geeks. I'd wait for some of the other more knowledgeable folks to correct them on Gor though, or direct them to somewhere that more knowledgeable folks are at.

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RE: The Impact of Online Gorean Roleplay - 1/21/2007 10:38:22 PM

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Evening Stephan,

It is and always will be a 2 edged sword, it can spark curiosity (which I see as a very good thing) or it can project the stereotypes that so many in the 'vanilla' (for lack of a better word) and BDSM communities already have about Goreans.

I think you are right about much of it being related more to the erotica that so many evening turn into in many of the channels. That may or may not be what drove the multitudes that flooded chat channels during the mid and late '90s, and nobody can deny that there has been a waning influx of new blood hitting the existing channels.

Some of the positives of the online roleplay could be the reenforcement of status in the minds, learning of some protocol (whether it is used in daily life or not...), forming of some habits that may be found pleasing (many girls attempted to learn to dance and the various positions offline). There are others I am sure but these few seem like good side effects.

The negatives can range widely, but some of things I have witnessed include girls inflicting real physical punishments on themselves for being punished online, some people having a problem with seperating the reality from the fantasy, a few men that used the medium to prey on as they put it "willing victims" (they were arrested, and justice was served, and maybe their cellmates named Bubba helped them learn about being willing).

I have always felt that almost anything can be good in moderation, it is when many of the folks forget about living life, and devote their waking hours to being online living the fantasy that I see a problem (not that it effects me). These reflections, like it or not, can and do taint that which I love.

I hate using the religious comparisons, but this one I think may fit. Just as there are radical Muslims that distort the teachings of Muhammed and use Jihad as an excuse to blow up whatever it is they are angry with, they are reflecting on the majority of Muslims who despise violence and have a clearer (in my opinion) vision of what Islam is about.

I wish you well,
Thadius

P.S. I hope that made sense, it is late.

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RE: The Impact of Online Gorean Roleplay - 1/21/2007 10:42:22 PM

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Greetings Masters,
Greetings Mistesses,
Greetings fellow slaves,

I am sure that on-line role/play has its uses and I am sure there are a few real-timers out there that discovered Gor because of it. Honestly I did not find Gor on-line. Though through online I have found the books and read them. I was introduced to Gor by a Master/slave couple that had been practising it way before it came to the net. They were very informative and not like some of the characters I have run into on-line.

I particularly don't care for r/p on-line nor does my Master. But we respect those that wish to r/p on-line as that may be the only outlet they have to vent with. As some people are not fortunate enough to be able to go real time. Be it for real time issues (being married to a vanilla.) or a physical handicap that would make it virtually impossible to serve or attract someone to serve. We respect those that wish to do it. We just don't. We may enter a chat-room that is discussion only but we never enter room's that are r/p based. Also we do not go into rooms to expose or ridicule r/pers either. I don't think anyone here would like a r/per to come here and copy and paste what is said here and try and humilate anyone on the boards. I see no reason to do it to them. I see no purpose in it.

We may not be role-players but we are all gorean either slave or Free and we are on-line either searching for Masters, slaves or information. Way I see it. Everyone should respect everyone. There is no reason to go around and insult each other be a person a r/t or a o/l Gorean. Me and Master simply ignore any bad comments to us. Otherwise its a out and out war and that is the last thing we want. Soooooooo, We respect any opinions flung at us. Period. We have no reason to get into fights on what is right and what is not. Otherwise everyone is going to be in a battle that is never ending. With insults upon insults being flung at each other. And there is no reason for anyone to be acting childish in Gor it really does not give a good view to anyone new trying to learn about Gor. It really does not. With that said, I can't say who can do what. Its up the individual what they want to do. Be it fantasy Gor or real time Gor. They don't live in the house I live in and they don't live in anyone's house but their own or whereever they are supposed to be. So really its not hurting anyone. A person seeking to be gorean will hunt down the information they need until they get it right wether there is disney gor or real gor information around.

I have several friends that went r/t gor and it took them awhile but they finally got the real information they needed by reading the books and finding r/t goreans to talk too. Seek and ye shall find.

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RE: The Impact of Online Gorean Roleplay - 1/23/2007 11:08:06 PM

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Greetings Stephan,
There really is not anything I can contribute to this thread (albiet a really good topic) that Orion and Thadius has not already expressed.I had mentioned in a previous thread, that I have many friends who role play Gor and that they post that they are role play out right. They also make clear, that they are learning as well and still reading the books, while other people who role play take the stance, that they are indeed the only true Goreans and those who they call, the lifestylers, are phonies.now, the pissing contests (please excuse my choice of description) but was the only way I could think to describe it, does not much get under my skin.What gets to me is the false knowledge they spread and the various other head games that seem to follow suit, they use on many.anyways, I did not mean to ramble, it has all been said before and in a much more graceful way, then I have expressed...lol

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