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RE: STDs in older people - 5/15/2004 9:31:26 PM   
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well, I have to respond. I have never had any std because I have always been carefull
and I am in my 50's. I don't think I am unique.


I hope you're right ttlysik. The non wart varieties of HPV have no symptoms in men, but can be passed to women, some of whom may develop cervicle dysplasia which if not treated can become cancer. Condoms don't prevent transmission of HPV because it is transmitted by skin contact not fluids. That's why it is so prevalent and most don't know they have it.

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RE: STDs in older people - 5/16/2004 3:56:56 AM   
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You have your opinion and so do I, but really think about it. If you have unprotected sex with one person and they had unprotected sex with three people and so on and so forth., that is alot of people. It is also a bigger chance of getting sexually transmitted diseases. It might be different for you because you live a different life. There are alot of people out there that really dont know, because they have never been taught. That is what I'm talking about. For people that dont know or care, that is a big number and it dose affect this country in a major way.

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RE: STDs in older people - 5/16/2004 4:10:48 AM   
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Another thing who cares what the CDC say's, what dose that prove anyway? There are alot of people out there that think there invincible because they cant get HIV or AIDS. WRONGE, gay men and intraveneneous drug users are not the majority that gets AIDS. It's the people that think they cant get it because there not gay or intraveneous drug usesrs, that is the real problem, we are not invincible. This is a real problem with real numbers.

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RE: STDs in older people - 5/16/2004 8:51:39 AM   
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GoddessMarisa,

i posted the CDC links and info b/c some people do want to see numbers. They do serve a certain purpose, however, i agree with you, that it is the ATTITUDE of those who think they will not contract HIV that is the problem.

As i mentioned, i've been working with HIV/AIDS impacted people for over 4 years, and i have had clients who were born with HIV, heterosexual males and females who did NOT use IV drugs. Anyone can contract HIV, and while it is more difficult for a man to contract HIV from a woman, it is very easy for a woman to contract the virus from a man.

The other thing to note is that there are thousands of people who have never been tested, who are, in fact HIV positive. People can have HIV for years without having ANY symptoms, and all the while they may be transmitting the virus- so you just never know.

Be safe & have fun.

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RE: STDs in older people - 5/16/2004 12:06:42 PM   
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Marrissa I choose not to become hysterical over something that doesn't affect me. You seem to have your mind made up regardless of the facts or the truth. And that is your right. But to me, truth is what matters, not rhetoric.

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RE: STDs in older people - 5/17/2004 12:34:33 AM   
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The other thing to note is that there are thousands of people who have never been tested, who are, in fact HIV positive. People can have HIV for years without having ANY symptoms, and all the while they may be transmitting the virus- so you just never know.


An easy solution for this is to donate blood or blood products.

The Red Cross (after being implicated in the transmission of the virus to 1000s of people) tests and retests each and every blood product they receive, and will notify you if you test positive. Additionally, it is done in a way where you dont actually have to ask a person to test you for the disease; it is all done far away and the person testing only knows you as a number.

I had a friend die of lung cancer. After long conversations with her I decided to make a point of donating platelets as often as I can.

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RE: STDs in older people - 6/15/2004 2:28:01 PM   
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Hello going by experience, I know from my ex gettting Hiv
{I'm not Hiv, thanks be to God} It can take some years to show up even Hide~ But as far as there is an epidemic here, I agree with Estring
I don't see it. But we are sending 350 some od million to help with it down in South Africa~

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RE: STDs in older people - 6/15/2004 3:30:23 PM   
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I'd prefer condoms, over a body bag.

On my reservation they test for HIV and STD's no matter what age you are and whether or not you requested it...due to the high drug and alcohol addictions. Drunken people and people who are high do not always make the best decisions when it comes having sex. (Sings...all the people get hornier at closing time...). They also sent you home with a lunch bag half full of condoms.

Being that I am no longer on my reservation and without insurance, I sought out an HIV test at an AID's clinic. Granted I had the quickest test possible (because I thought perhaps I'd be um doing something fun soon) and the director made a copy for me to produce documentation if required. No charge for this test, but I did make a contribution. I do not donate blood (for other reasons not relative to this thread), hence, the clinic of choice.

Many of us think we are infallable until~we discover we are not.


Enough said...this has been a fantastic thread, I truly appreciate it!


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RE: STDs in older people - 6/19/2004 5:04:57 AM   
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I just got around to reading this thread and want to ask you something, Estring. You say you aren't worried about getting HIV. May I ask why? I'm not a terribly fearful person myself but HIV does get me a bit jittery. Please share your thoughts on HIV with me.

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RE: STDs in older people - 6/19/2004 5:34:16 AM   
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Well I just read all the threads here on HIV/STD and alot of so called food for thought was presented here. Still best to find one partner and stick with them after testing of course. Now the problem is where do you find that one person. Soon to be 53 this month and have been looking for years. LOL Anywhooooooooooooooooooooo everyone have a nice weekend.
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RE: STDs in older people - 6/19/2004 7:36:16 PM   
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Denise, the reason I don't fear HIV is because in the US the vast majority of HIV and AIDS cases are gay men and/or intraveneous drug users. Despite all the rhetoric used these days, the numbers don't lie. More people die from car wrecks, cancer or heart disease than AIDS. I have a better chance of winning the lottery than getting AIDS. And I'm sure I will be getting neither one.

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RE: STDs in older people - 6/19/2004 8:01:07 PM   
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An easy solution for this is to donate blood or blood products.


Donating blood to find out if you have hiv is irresponsible.

In fact, doing that is explictly discouraged by my blood bank. For good reason. Yes, it is true you are a number, and the blood is tested for aids. But when I donate, I am first interviewed to determine my lifestyle. I'm asked a huge number of questions regarding my sex life and my partner's sex life, tattoos and drug usage, and even if I've ever been to England (mad cow, don't you know.) etc.. etc...

If I was at risk for aids because of the things I did or where I'd been, the bank would NOT take my blood. So I would have to lie about my activities, just to get a free test.

It's immoral to use the blood bank to find out if you have aids. I might be contaminating the blood supply--perhaps with lifestyle related diseases they don't even know about yet, or can't test for.

Just my opinion,

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RE: STDs in older people - 6/19/2004 8:22:30 PM   
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This is not the solution. There are advocacy agencies that offer free testing. You should absolutely never give blood to discover if you are HIV positive.

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RE: STDs in older people - 6/19/2004 10:53:17 PM   
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I agree. There are many places here in Los Angeles that do free Aids testing. And now they have a new test that just uses a swab of saliva instead of blood. It's a piece of cake to get tested now.

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RE: STDs in older people - 6/20/2004 6:21:03 AM   
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Thanks for the reply, Estring. You make complete sense to me. :-)

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RE: STDs in older people - 6/22/2004 7:33:39 AM   
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I work as a transplant coordinator with one of the nation's busiest organ procurement organizations in the country. We're required to serologically test any of our potential donors, even ones that don't wind up being consented, in order to establish transplantability before recovery. While I don't have actual statistical numbers, I will say hands down that infectious diseases (not necessarily HIV, but things like Heb B and C, and syphyllis) are HUGE among the 50+ crowd, much of it being undiagnosed. I am forever amazed at the 60, 70 and 80 year old referrals that come back positive for something that family was completely unaware of.

It's ALWAYS a wise idea to use universal precautions when engaging in play or exposures to bodily fluids.

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RE: STDs in older people - 6/22/2004 7:36:32 AM   
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Denise, the reason I don't fear HIV is because in the US the vast majority of HIV and AIDS cases are gay men and/or intraveneous drug users.


I'm really sorry that you feel this way, as it's not necessarily true. HIV can be transmitted through faulty practices at the dental office or in the surgical suite, as well as during casual sex encounters with an infected individual. Folks are living undiagnosed with many, many deadly infectious disease, and the last thing we need to do is believe that we're not at risk or feel that we're impervious because "we're not gay and don't do IV drugs". There are lots of indiscretions that sex partners have before they're with you, and they're really not likely to tell you that they shot up once. Once IS all it takes, and likewise, once is all it takes for you to become infected.

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RE: STDs in older people - 6/22/2004 7:54:25 AM   
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An easy solution for this is to donate blood or blood products.

The Red Cross (after being implicated in the transmission of the virus to 1000s of people) tests and retests each and every blood product they receive, and will notify you if you test positive. Additionally, it is done in a way where you dont actually have to ask a person to test you for the disease; it is all done far away and the person testing only knows you as a number.


I'm sure many have already made this point, but your information, while it's right, is a horrible message to put out to the general population. While repeat ELISA tests are done on the blood products, as with any other FDA-regulated human tissue, they are not infalliable tests. That's the MAIN reason why all tissue processors have ABSOLUTE ruleout criteria for anyone considered to be US Public Health Services (USPHS) high risk --Those who are at increased risk for becoming infected with HIV are not eligible to donate blood. According to the Food and Drug Administration, you are at increased risk if:

  • you are a male who has had sex with another male since 1977, even once;
  • you have ever used a needle, even once, to take drugs or steroids that were not prescribed by a physician;
  • you have taken clotting factor concentrates for a bleeding disorder such as hemophilia;
  • you were born in or lived in Cameroon, Central African Republic, Chad, Congo, Equatorial Guinea, Gabon, Niger, or Nigeria since 1977 (This requirement is related to concerns about HIV Group O.)
  • you have taken drugs or money in exchange for sex since 1977;
  • you have ever had a positive test for HIV virus;
  • you have symptoms of HIV infection including unexplained weight loss, night sweats, blue or purple spots on or under the skin, long-lasting white spots or unusual sores in your mouth, lumps in your neck, armpits, or groin that last more than a month, fever higher than 99 degrees that lasts more than 10 days, diarrhea lasting over a month, or persistent cough and shortness of breath.

Donation is also deferred secondary to use of human-derived growth hormones, exposure to or a positive test (ever, or jaundice) for hepatitis. There is also generally a deferral made for those having close contact with someone who is at an increased risk for HIV infection, or actively infected with HIV or hepatitis. This occurs when paying to have sex, as a result of rape, or when having sex with an IV drug user.

Why would you want to put your loved one's at risk when there are so many other free options available? Most county or local governments offer HIV testing through the health department, as does Planned Parenthood (all over the nation.)

More information can be had on blood and tissue donation and the reasons why donation might be deferred or declined at Red Cross Donor Exclusions, through the FDA Final Rule on human tissue/products, and through a very compelling from Duke School of Law

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RE: STDs in older people - 6/22/2004 9:31:41 AM   
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And the sun could blow up tomorrow, but I don't worry about it. It always amazes me that despite the numbers, people will choose to worry about something that will never affect them. Since the first reports of Aids began, some people have been warning of an Aids epidemic in the US. It hasn't happened, and it never will. The simple fact is, the vast majority of Aids and Hiv cases are gay men and /or intraveneous drug users. If anyone can show me differently, let's see it.
And while you are at it, show me where this huge number of hepatitis cases in older people is? You claim you have no numbers, so what do you base your belief on? If you were an auto mechanic, you might be telling us that there is an epidemic of broken down autos.

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RE: STDs in older people - 6/22/2004 11:33:13 AM   
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Hello,

Well, I see your point about it being an irresponsible statement to make to the general population so I retract it.

From a personal view, I fill out (truthfully) the questionnaire each time I donate blood products, have none of the associated risk factors, and have regular medical check-ups to make sure I remain healthy.

But then I work a job that has considerable risk for me personally, and I want to make sure I dont have something happen which will make me have to retire either in person or be carried out of class in a body bag. So I like to cover all bases.

Better safe than dead.

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