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RE: Punishment...a kajira in question. - 2/8/2007 2:47:18 PM   
dehana


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Thadius,

Thank you for your response. My err was in allowing myself to react and pen my frustrations at what I was seeing transpire without having taken the time to temper my words first. They were harsh and made in a to generalized manner I agree.

I'd noticed you'd separated your comments regarding my post and your generalized comments with regard to gossiping and making judgments. I'm still thinking on, and weighing, that potential double edged sword.

We all should expect to be judged and held accountable for our words and actions by whichever group or individual is appropriate. In some cases that group base is more narrowed, as in yours, and in some it's very broad...  but sure as the sun rises each morning, judgment and accountability will happen therefore should be the expectation.  

Unfortunately misunderstandings are a given part of a text communication forum. The people behind the words often enigmas except for the manner they employ to present themselves. Whether simply a poor choice of words or an issue of the readers interpretation, thankfully the opportunity also exists to backtrack and explain when a misunderstanding arises. Not alter or manipulate content or intent.. only clarify.

Again, thank you Thadius for investing the time to read my response to you.

I wish you most well,

Dehana




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RE: Punishment...a kajira in question. - 2/8/2007 4:45:26 PM   
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kisshou,

I was only referring to the second post, and wasn't offended in the least.  Just trying to illustrate a different perspective.  What one may consider better, another may consider a burden. 

I have often heard girls held to a more exacting standard express the opinion that girls that girls under a more laid back collar have it easier.  Imagine for a moment that the hand on the leash that guides your life suddenly let go.  Or isn't paying attention.  Good, bad, or indifferent, your behavior goes unnoticed or tolerated.  Does that actually sound easier? 


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RE: Punishment...a kajira in question. - 2/8/2007 5:14:17 PM   
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Hi Chewsie,

To be honest I had to go back and look for your post to know what it was you were referring to. No, your post had nothing to do with any of the comments in my posts. And no, I don't see some blossoming conspiracy in effect either though the reference did bring a chuckle. It's been some since I've seen that phrase used.

I will tell you what spurred the flurry of recent posts on my part though since it seems to be at issue. And this will no doubt get a little long winded.

I read an'jelles initial post which began this thread and saw in it nothing more than a recount of an experience she'd had. her post was well put together. she began with an outline of the days events which lead up to her reaction. Didn't whine in any sense of the word. A very simple and clear retelling. she then explained what happened and  commented on her reaction to it with no mention or suggestion of any negative feelings toward her Master or his choice of reaction or action on her part. In fact, quite the opposite. she noted where she had been wrong, a brief self chastisement of sorts (there was no need for more) and noted the lesson she had learned.  she ended with a couple reasonable questions about others which might have had the same or similar experience. From either side.  What I saw in her words was more a amazed wonderment at how well her Master knew his slave .. and knew exactly what would.. hit the effective mark.. so to speak. He knew exactly the method to employ to place her head back where it needed to be. An effective reminder of both her obligations and boundaries. she was very clear in presenting her intent in my eyes.

What followed shocked and to be quite honest, angered me. I watched as person after person reprimanded her for her sigh. she already knew that was her mistake and had noted .. then later acknowledged yet again as much.
What I saw after that wasn't posts aimed at being the least bit friendly or helpful. More were posts that nit picked at each opportunity words she used. The nit picking only enabled  by ignoring the balance of what she said which in essence denied her the opportunity to explain herself further. When the only thing being offered is a deeper hole.. why would anyone jump?
The example: suck it up. That can be taken in a negative manner.. or in a positive manner. The automatic assumption was the negative. And before long it was altered more to mean sucking up when it came time to pleasure her Master. she had used that term in the context of no matter how tired she is.. and no matter what is required of her she would pull herself up by the bootstraps and do what she needs to do. Never once did she mention anything about doing this with anything but joy. That got added in later by someone else not by an'jelle or by anything she had said or inferred.
Soon that was joined with another phrase she had used. Only the context each was used in was left the missing and most important ingredient. By doing that the entire context in which she had used both was completely altered.
And that is but one example.
I saw an'jelle give up at one point. her words and intent having been twisted and turned until they were
unrecognizable.
This thread had an initial basis.. a theme.. a very definite purpose set in place by the initial poster. What I saw was her asking others to share their experiences when their Master 'Hit the mark' when it came to a punishment.
I watched as pat me on the back and call me perfect slaves made some pretty hard and damning responses and criticisms but were totally left field of the purpose and intent of the whole basis for the thread they were responding to. No wonder she backed away.. everything she said was getting used against her. It.. was.. ludicrous.

I don't agree when someone posts here the responders have the right to twist the OP's words or take the thread in any direction they want. Want a thread to address something else.. fine.. start one !! To me that's applying a 'right' but neglecting the responsibility which goes hand in hand.

I won't say all.. but there were some that appear to have been more like vultures landing in attack mode. Some more subtle.. some more blatant.  That, to be quite honest with you is what disgusted me enough to dig my heels in and move forward on this thread.

Judge a person and hold them accountable for what they say.. not what you can create from it.


It seems interesting to me that given she was punished and had learned what her Master wished her to, some felt it their place to go beyond his lesson and teach her further.

Dehana

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RE: Punishment...a kajira in question. - 2/8/2007 6:12:00 PM   
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Greetings dehana,

I am sorry but a reader of words will interpret what they read based on their own perceptions and understandings of what they read.  Much like you have.   It is why you have so many differing opinions of what the OP was actually implying, saying, or whatnot.  However, you are doing exactly what you are accusing others of doing, puting a spin on her post.  What spin?  Your own.  You are not the writer of the post, you don't actually know her intent, mindset, or emotions when she was writing, you are telling everyone else their interpretation was wrong and yours is right because your's makes the most sense to you.  Yet you have sat here time and again determined everyone agree with your take on the OP.  Which is fine, just don't expect an overall consensus.   

However, you speak of quotations, have you ever heard people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones?  You are sure shucking a lot of stones, and the tint on the glass of your own home is relecting the light,  but i am sure you feel its okay because its you who is doing so. 

i have no opinion of the OP, however, you seem awfully defensive for someone who lives by the quotes you use.  Since you don't judge, i am confused at why you are so defensive?  You have to be judging others in order for you to come back defensively not only for the OP, but for yourself.  Judging btw is a two-sided coin, you judged the OP also, just because you have claimed your judgment in a positive matter doesn't change the fact that you have sat in judgment on the OP.

Your own judgment of others is what keeps you coming back to respond, no?  Or are those quotes only for artistic value or to preach and not practice?  Be careful when utilizing quotes as you do that you in utilizing them don't make yourself out for a hypocrit.

Well wishes,
angel

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RE: Punishment...a kajira in question. - 2/8/2007 7:25:10 PM   
dehana


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quote:


quote:

ORIGINAL: dehana

The reactions were mostly in support of or in judgement of one or the other. I didn't see where she at any point she questioned or judged her Master or his reaction. I did see her ask if this was a method other Master's employed and supported her question with the impact it has on her. And asked if it had that impact on other slaves. Fair and reasonable questions!!



i was wrong in my actions that night...and was punished how HE saw fit...and it, indeed, was fitting for THIS slave.  my punishment was taken with grace and the lesson was learned.  Nothing has been said about the incident since then, nor is there reason for it. 
The post was merely to speak with others, as i thought was the reason for boards such as these, about the happenings in our lives and how we react to them.

Yes, dehana, this was the intent of my original post.  i did not mean to start a heated debate over "who's the better slave" or "my Master's harsher than yours".

Again, please forgive if the proper words fail me.

In loving service,
an'jelle{DPK}


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RE: Punishment...a kajira in question. - 2/8/2007 7:42:45 PM   
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Chuckles, out of all that post lol you thought i was asking you to prove you were somehow "right" in your interpretation. As i said, becareful in throwing quotes around to explain how you live your life, as your application of such will in fact prove you to be a hypocrit.   However,  I am sure your utilization of them in your life is a reflection of how you have applied them here. 

Carry on.


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RE: Punishment...a kajira in question. - 2/8/2007 8:03:00 PM   
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Evening dehana,

Can you show me anyplace in my posts in this topic that I chastised the girl from the original post?  The closest I came was asking for clarification on the online thing.  I read the exact same posts you did, and from my vantage point it seemed that people were commenting on their own personal situations and how it may or may not have been different... which would be answering the questions in the OP.  Now I did jump in and give a general comment about how gossiping and making judgements about a free person and their property by slaves is very unbecoming.  I also took a stance on how you had been conveying your thoughts about what everybody else had been posting.

I would be more than glad to discuss this via email or some other medium.  I am not sure if it is just that your mind is flying in a million directions as you are posting which might be adding to the backtracking and bouncing around, or if it is just a simple misunderstanding of what you are trying to say, and what the others here have tried saying. 

I wish you well,
Thadius

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RE: Punishment...a kajira in question. - 2/8/2007 8:11:31 PM   
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Hi dehana,

OK. I had a totally different take on her post then you did. What you saw in her words and what I saw are like night and day in the difference....but that is what makes the world go round.

Have a nice night.

quote:

ORIGINAL: dehana

Hi Chewsie,

To be honest I had to go back and look for your post to know what it was you were referring to. No, your post had nothing to do with any of the comments in my posts. And no, I don't see some blossoming conspiracy in effect either though the reference did bring a chuckle. It's been some since I've seen that phrase used.

I will tell you what spurred the flurry of recent posts on my part though since it seems to be at issue. And this will no doubt get a little long winded.

I read an'jelles initial post which began this thread and saw in it nothing more than a recount of an experience she'd had. her post was well put together. she began with an outline of the days events which lead up to her reaction. Didn't whine in any sense of the word. A very simple and clear retelling. she then explained what happened and  commented on her reaction to it with no mention or suggestion of any negative feelings toward her Master or his choice of reaction or action on her part. In fact, quite the opposite. she noted where she had been wrong, a brief self chastisement of sorts (there was no need for more) and noted the lesson she had learned.  she ended with a couple reasonable questions about others which might have had the same or similar experience. From either side.  What I saw in her words was more a amazed wonderment at how well her Master knew his slave .. and knew exactly what would.. hit the effective mark.. so to speak. He knew exactly the method to employ to place her head back where it needed to be. An effective reminder of both her obligations and boundaries. she was very clear in presenting her intent in my eyes.

What followed shocked and to be quite honest, angered me. I watched as person after person reprimanded her for her sigh. she already knew that was her mistake and had noted .. then later acknowledged yet again as much.
What I saw after that wasn't posts aimed at being the least bit friendly or helpful. More were posts that nit picked at each opportunity words she used. The nit picking only enabled  by ignoring the balance of what she said which in essence denied her the opportunity to explain herself further. When the only thing being offered is a deeper hole.. why would anyone jump?
The example: suck it up. That can be taken in a negative manner.. or in a positive manner. The automatic assumption was the negative. And before long it was altered more to mean sucking up when it came time to pleasure her Master. she had used that term in the context of no matter how tired she is.. and no matter what is required of her she would pull herself up by the bootstraps and do what she needs to do. Never once did she mention anything about doing this with anything but joy. That got added in later by someone else not by an'jelle or by anything she had said or inferred.
Soon that was joined with another phrase she had used. Only the context each was used in was left the missing and most important ingredient. By doing that the entire context in which she had used both was completely altered.
And that is but one example.
I saw an'jelle give up at one point. her words and intent having been twisted and turned until they were
unrecognizable.
This thread had an initial basis.. a theme.. a very definite purpose set in place by the initial poster. What I saw was her asking others to share their experiences when their Master 'Hit the mark' when it came to a punishment.
I watched as pat me on the back and call me perfect slaves made some pretty hard and damning responses and criticisms but were totally left field of the purpose and intent of the whole basis for the thread they were responding to. No wonder she backed away.. everything she said was getting used against her. It.. was.. ludicrous.

I don't agree when someone posts here the responders have the right to twist the OP's words or take the thread in any direction they want. Want a thread to address something else.. fine.. start one !! To me that's applying a 'right' but neglecting the responsibility which goes hand in hand.

I won't say all.. but there were some that appear to have been more like vultures landing in attack mode. Some more subtle.. some more blatant.  That, to be quite honest with you is what disgusted me enough to dig my heels in and move forward on this thread.

Judge a person and hold them accountable for what they say.. not what you can create from it.


It seems interesting to me that given she was punished and had learned what her Master wished her to, some felt it their place to go beyond his lesson and teach her further.

Dehana


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RE: Punishment...a kajira in question. - 2/8/2007 8:13:14 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: dehana


This thread had an initial basis.. a theme.. a very definite purpose set in place by the initial poster. What I saw was her asking others to share their experiences when their Master 'Hit the mark' when it came to a punishment.


Dehana


greetings dehana;

Maybe the post did have a theme, that would probably be open to each person's interpretation also. However, sabba doesn't think most kajira are anxious to share a punishment on such an open forum as this one. sabba, for one, is not proud of the times she has not been found pleasing, and doesn't wish to share those methods or experiences with anyone. Maybe that is one reason that the OP didn't get the example you are so sure she was looking for.

Something else to consider, what is punishment for one, may be pleasure for another.....and only a girls Master will know which it is.

well wishes,
sabba{CB}

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RE: Punishment...a kajira in question. - 2/9/2007 10:05:25 AM   
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greetings

are you not doing to posts and contexts and wording and perceptions EXACTLY what pissed you off about other people?

and in all honesty this girl tried to understand from her first post
but after the suck it up remark...........
.well ...ya know....perception got changed immediately...and if this displeases you oh well....
.there's not much that a girl can do about that.

and this one did point out that she was capable of such behavior in other areas her own self just not that particular situation

and personally this one thinks you are calling the kettle black and making a mountain out of a molehill

wisihng you well

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RE: Punishment...a kajira in question. - 2/9/2007 10:18:39 AM   
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fyreredsub,

I would think by now it would be obvious you and I see the sky in different colors.
A reaction to your question on my part would be mote.

Dehana

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RE: Punishment...a kajira in question. - 2/9/2007 10:34:35 AM   
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greetings,

unfortunately words on forums get misconstrued and misunderstood all the time

perhaps you could have emailed the offending party, no?maybe voiced your opinion instead of your polite rant and asked what was meant  since your crystal balls seems to be failing in some areas and working overttime in others

wishing you well


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RE: Punishment...a kajira in question. - 2/9/2007 12:04:16 PM   
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Perhaps the offending party should have done their own homework and insured the injection of their 'interpertation' into anothers words was correct prior to stepping up and offering a negative comment? 

Seems a logical first step to me.

To be quite honest.. this whole.. fiasco.. in my opinion, has stepped far beyond the line of complete absurdity.
And I, for one, have wasted enough of my time and energy.
Call it ...  see it... as you wish. You will regardless of what I say or think.
So what's the point in continuing ?

Besides while it may be Friday, and I'm quite tired from the demands of the week, I need to 'suck it up'..my tiredness that is.. and focus my attentions back on my work (which I love dearly and will be quite happily diving back into) at hand.

Dehana

P.S: It'll be interesting to see the cast of 'interpertation' which befalls this post.


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RE: Punishment...a kajira in question. - 2/9/2007 12:26:50 PM   
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greetings dehana,

depends on who is offended and who did the offending doesn't it based , of course, on your view of being the judge and jury and executioner....

this one doesnt like pussyfooting around subjects....

again it boils down to perceptions...........

some of us see it one way and others see it another

just as

what is correct to one
may not be correct to another

and in an open forum we need only worry on the Free and moderators and our own Masters

so again, there is no issue, if the viewpoints of some bother you block them

wishing you well
edited to add, this one finally broke down and read your profile and other  than being just as opinionated as this one, are you Gorean trained?

if you are NOT
a girl can understand why

we see different colors in the sky  with the suck it up theory

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