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Zensee -> From the Administration That Cried Wolf (2/11/2007 6:46:26 PM)

Anonymous US Intelligence "officials" present evidence that Iran is behind a proxy war against the USA, using Shea militias in Iraq.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6351257.stm

Can Bush Co. seriously be considering expanding the war into Iran? And do they expect an easy ride considering the false intelligence used to justify the present mess? How many more lives can one man's hubris take? Stay tuned (as if you have any friggin' choice) for the next installment of As the Axe Grinds...


Z.


EDIT for spelling




caitlyn -> RE: From the Administration That Cried Wolf (2/11/2007 7:24:59 PM)

We have to invade Iran ... I just got a new gas hog. [;)]




Zensee -> RE: From the Administration That Cried Wolf (2/11/2007 8:11:32 PM)

Invade Alberta. It's closer, has more oil, was ruled by a tin-pot dictator until recently and both of Canada's soldiers are conveniently in Afghanistan right now.




caitlyn -> RE: From the Administration That Cried Wolf (2/11/2007 8:13:11 PM)

Funniest post in weeks! [:D]




MasterKalif -> RE: From the Administration That Cried Wolf (2/11/2007 8:24:25 PM)

hahahahahahaha I think Bush should invade his wife, end of story....[:D]




all4yourplsr -> RE: From the Administration That Cried Wolf (2/11/2007 8:28:04 PM)

Laura Bush has been fucking GWB with a strapon ever since it came out that he screwed this whole war thing up!!!




UtopianRanger -> RE: From the Administration That Cried Wolf (2/11/2007 8:48:19 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Zensee

Anonymous US Intelligence "officials" present evidence that Iran is behind a proxy war against the USA, using Shea militias in Iraq.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6351257.stm

Can Bush Co. seriously be considering expanding the war into Iran? And do they expect an easy ride considering the false intelligence used to justify the present mess? How many more lives can one man's hubris take? Stay tuned (as if you have any friggin' choice) for the next installment of As the Axe Grinds...


Z.


EDIT for spelling



Hello my friend.....

Here is but one excerpt from testimony given {a week and half ago} by former national security advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski in a hearing before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.  They didn't want this to make the press.... I had to get it from a site that monitors everything from CSPAN.

quote:

February 1, 2007, 3:05 pm 

Your hearings come at a critical juncture in the U.S. war of choice in Iraq, and I commend you and Senator Lugar for scheduling them. 


It is time for the White House to come to terms with two central realities:

1. The war in Iraq is a historic, strategic, and moral calamity. Undertaken under false assumptions, it is undermining America's global legitimacy. Its collateral civilian casualties as well as some abuses are tarnishing America's moral credentials. Driven by Manichean impulses and imperial hubris, it is intensifying regional instability.

2. Only a political strategy that is historically relevant rather than reminiscent of colonial tutelage can provide the needed framework for a tolerable resolution of both the war in Iraq and the intensifying regional tensions.

If the United States continues to be bogged down in a protracted bloody involvement in Iraq, the final destination on this downhill track is likely to be a head-on conflict with Iran and with much of the world of Islam at large. A plausible scenario for a military collision with Iran involves Iraqi failure to meet the benchmarks; followed by accusations of Iranian responsibility for the failure; then by some provocation in Iraq or a terrorist act in the U.S. blamed on Iran; culminating in a "defensive" U.S. military action against Iran that plunges a lonely America into a spreading and deepening quagmire eventually ranging across Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, and Pakistan.

A mythical historical narrative to justify the case for such a protracted and potentially expanding war is already being articulated. Initially justified by false claims about WMD's in Iraq, the war is now being redefined as the "decisive ideological struggle" of our time, reminiscent of the earlier collisions with Nazism and Stalinism. In that context, Islamist extremism and al Qaeda are presented as the equivalents of the threat posed by Nazi Germany and then Soviet Russia, and 9/11 as the equivalent of the Pearl Harbor attack which precipitated America's involvement in World War II. 

This simplistic and demagogic narrative overlooks the fact that Nazism was based on the military power of the industrially most advanced European state; and that Stalinism was able to mobilize not only the resources of the victorious and militarily powerful Soviet Union but also had worldwide appeal through its Marxist doctrine. In contrast, most Muslims are not embracing Islamic fundamentalism; al Qaeda is an isolated fundamentalist Islamist aberration; most Iraqis are engaged in strife because the American occupation of Iraq destroyed the Iraqi state; while Iran -- though gaining in regional influence -- is itself politically divided, economically and militarily weak. To argue that America is already at war in the region with a wider Islamic threat, of which Iran is the epicenter, is to promote a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Deplorably, the Administration's foreign policy in the Middle East region has lately relied almost entirely on such sloganeering. Vague and inflammatory talk about "a new strategic context" which is based on "clarity" and which prompts "the birth pangs of a new Middle East" is breeding intensifying anti-Americanism and is increasing the danger of a long-term collision between the United States and the Islamic world. Those in charge of U.S. diplomacy have also adopted a posture of moralistic self-ostracism toward Iran strongly reminiscent of John Foster Dulles's attitude of the early 1950's toward Chinese Communist leaders (resulting among other things in the well-known episode of the refused handshake). It took some two decades and a half before another Republican president was finally able to undo that legacy.

One should note here also that practically no country in the world shares the Manichean delusions that the Administration so passionately articulates. The result is growing political isolation of, and pervasive popular antagonism toward the U.S. global posture.

It is obvious by now that the American national interest calls for a significant change of direction. There is in fact a dominant consensus in favor of a change: American public opinion now holds that the war was a mistake; that it should not be escalated, that a regional political process should be explored; and that an Israeli-Palestinian accommodation is an essential element of the needed policy alteration and should be actively pursued. It is noteworthy that profound reservations regarding the Administration's policy have been voiced by a number of leading Republicans. One need only invoke here the expressed views of the much admired President Gerald Ford, former Secretary of State James Baker, former National Security Adviser Brent Scowcroft and several leading Republican senators, John Warner, Chuck Hagel, and Gordon Smith among others.

The urgent need today is for a strategy that seeks to create a political framework for a resolution of the problems posed both by the US occupation of Iraq and by the ensuing civil and sectarian conflict. Ending the occupation and shaping a regional security dialogue should be the mutually reinforcing goals of such a strategy, but both goals will take time and require a genuinely serious U.S. commitment.




Translation :  The entire rationale for the war with Iraq is fictitious. Furthermore….if you read between the lines…..he’s actually saying that the United States is manufacturing false provocations in order to escalate the war with Iran.

That's quite a statement {under oath} from a guy who's been rumored as a possible cabinet appointee in the Edwards and H. Clinton administrations should either gain the Presidency.


Sad but true.


- R







MzMia -> RE: From the Administration That Cried Wolf (2/11/2007 8:52:48 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Zensee

Anonymous US Intelligence "officials" present evidence that Iran is behind a proxy war against the USA, using Shea militias in Iraq.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6351257.stm

Can Bush Co. seriously be considering expanding the war into Iran? And do they expect an easy ride considering the false intelligence used to justify the present mess? How many more lives can one man's hubris take? Stay tuned (as if you have any friggin' choice) for the next installment of As the Axe Grinds...


Z.

Zensee thank you, can you pinch me cause this has to be a bad dream!

EDIT for spelling




Zensee -> RE: From the Administration That Cried Wolf (2/11/2007 9:32:26 PM)

Mz.Mia - can I just pinch you for the pure, dangerous fun of it?

U.R. - that's quite the mouthful. Thanks for the translation into English. I think they could have put that on the front page and still got it under the radar. Pretty amazing stuff.

Z.



PS: We seem to have two threads on this topic. Not sure who has dibs but sorry if this is confusing things.




Real0ne -> RE: From the Administration That Cried Wolf (2/11/2007 10:08:49 PM)

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The US officials also referred to a raid in Iraq in December in which the security forces said they found inventory sheets of weaponry and equipment that had been brought into Iraq.
Tehran has repeatedly denied any involvement.

CIA is having a little fun

quote:

The US officials said that as well as bomb-making technology Iran was supplying Shia groups in Iraq with money and military training.

i wonder what they called this operation, guess we will have to wait 25 years for the declassifications. yep cia is having fun

quote:

The BBC's Jane Peel attended the briefing in Baghdad, at which all cameras and recording devices were banned

Dont want anyone to what we are staging now do we.

just thought i would translate it.




subfever -> RE: From the Administration That Cried Wolf (2/11/2007 10:24:54 PM)

Why Iran is next on the the PTB's hit-list, and also why I will vote for Ron Paul if he runs for President:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul303.html




Real0ne -> RE: From the Administration That Cried Wolf (2/11/2007 10:25:39 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: UtopianRanger
Translation :  The entire rationale for the war with Iraq is fictitious. Furthermore….if you read between the lines…..he’s actually saying that the United States is manufacturing false provocations in order to escalate the war with Iran.

That's quite a statement {under oath} from a guy who's been rumored as a possible cabinet appointee in the Edwards and H. Clinton administrations should either gain the Presidency.


Sad but true.


- R




exemplary research UR!




Real0ne -> RE: From the Administration That Cried Wolf (2/11/2007 10:29:39 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: subfever

Why Iran is next on the the PTB's hit-list, and also why I will vote for Ron Paul if he runs for President:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul303.html


yep me too!




Real0ne -> RE: From the Administration That Cried Wolf (2/11/2007 10:37:25 PM)

oh yeh...

so lets see now...  lets figure this out....

if one part our government is convinced that another that another part of our government is going to stage a terror attack against its own people to get us into iran, them hmmm...what kind of hat do us conspiracy nuts get to wear now?  i was just starting get used to the tin!




meatcleaver -> RE: From the Administration That Cried Wolf (2/11/2007 11:42:23 PM)

Yep. He's preparing the US and the world for war. My feelings are if the US wants to be belligerent then let them as long as they don't drag us into it. If the US wants to waste the lives of its soldiers and fuck its own economy up on imperial adventures then let it. There are some fools you just can't stop and Bush appears to be one of them. Hopefully Britain will soon have a new Prime Minister who will be smart enough to say no to American wars like the French and Germans..




UtopianRanger -> RE: From the Administration That Cried Wolf (2/12/2007 12:19:56 AM)

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ORIGINAL: meatcleaver

Yep. He's preparing the US and the world for war. My feelings are if the US wants to be belligerent then let them as long as they don't drag us into it. If the US wants to waste the lives of its soldiers and fuck its own economy up on imperial adventures then let it. There are some fools you just can't stop and Bush appears to be one of them. Hopefully Britain will soon have a new Prime Minister who will be smart enough to say no to American wars like the French and Germans..


http://www.guardian.co.uk/iran/story/0,,2007016,00.html

Blair seems to have his guns loaded......sounds like he's back for one more crack at trying to play the part of Doc Holiday.[8|]




- R







Real0ne -> RE: From the Administration That Cried Wolf (2/12/2007 12:23:26 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: meatcleaver

Yep. He's preparing the US and the world for war. My feelings are if the US wants to be belligerent then let them as long as they don't drag us into it. If the US wants to waste the lives of its soldiers and fuck its own economy up on imperial adventures then let it. There are some fools you just can't stop and Bush appears to be one of them. Hopefully Britain will soon have a new Prime Minister who will be smart enough to say no to American wars like the French and Germans..


yeh man but afghanastan was for britain you know so we are bed buddies now




meatcleaver -> RE: From the Administration That Cried Wolf (2/12/2007 3:22:21 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: UtopianRanger

quote:

ORIGINAL: meatcleaver

Yep. He's preparing the US and the world for war. My feelings are if the US wants to be belligerent then let them as long as they don't drag us into it. If the US wants to waste the lives of its soldiers and fuck its own economy up on imperial adventures then let it. There are some fools you just can't stop and Bush appears to be one of them. Hopefully Britain will soon have a new Prime Minister who will be smart enough to say no to American wars like the French and Germans..


http://www.guardian.co.uk/iran/story/0,,2007016,00.html

Blair seems to have his guns loaded......sounds like he's back for one more crack at trying to play the part of Doc Holiday.[8|]



Yep. I hope that man dies before he costs more people their lives. One thing that makes me hate that man is that he built his career as a peacenik yet when he's been in power he has been more gun happy than any other post war Prime Minister. The bloke is a desease that needs putting down. He just loves dancing in the shadow of American power.




meatcleaver -> RE: From the Administration That Cried Wolf (2/12/2007 3:23:48 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

quote:

ORIGINAL: meatcleaver

Yep. He's preparing the US and the world for war. My feelings are if the US wants to be belligerent then let them as long as they don't drag us into it. If the US wants to waste the lives of its soldiers and fuck its own economy up on imperial adventures then let it. There are some fools you just can't stop and Bush appears to be one of them. Hopefully Britain will soon have a new Prime Minister who will be smart enough to say no to American wars like the French and Germans..


yeh man but afghanastan was for britain you know so we are bed buddies now



Yep. The invasion of Afghanistan made sense after 9/11 and I wasn't against it but on reflection it has become the thin end of the wedge.




thompsonx -> RE: From the Administration That Cried Wolf (2/12/2007 5:07:01 AM)

Well there are liars and there are god damned liars and then there is bush & co.
thompson




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