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RE: Non-Gorean subs addressing Gor men - 2/21/2007 12:49:41 AM

mons

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greeting stephann

what does this word mean juxtapose mean . lost the dictionary

thank you so
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RE: Non-Gorean subs addressing Gor men - 2/21/2007 3:11:36 AM

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juxtapose - set two similiar things up side by side for comparison.

ie. Apples and oranges - Apples are crisp, sweet treats with hard core and little seeds in the middle. Oranges are citrus, very juicey, pieces of fruit divided into sections, and each section has small seeds.

You see things that are alike in the two, and you see things that are different.

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RE: Non-Gorean subs addressing Gor men - 8/10/2008 4:57:43 PM

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Greetings Masters
Greetings Mistresses
Greetings Fellow Kajiri

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This is my first post to this list, I just found it today. I am most interested in the comments on how to adreess a Free Man/Woman.
I know many people in the online BDSM community, and osme of them are Gorean, both Master and Slave. Here is my simple way of dealing with the situation of being a sub and speaking to a Dom, or being a currently unowned lsave, and speaking to a Master... If I do not know them, I call them Sir or Madam, using a soft and respectful voice. If I know that they are Gorean, I use slave speak, eyes down, and address them as Master/Mistress. I do not presume to use their first names unless told I may by them. I have not used slave speak here, as many who are not Gorean find it confusing and even difficult to understand. I have been Gorean for over 30 years, so it is very easy for me to follow the rules and proticals of the lifestyle. I thank you for allowing my words to be heard.
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RE: Non-Gorean subs addressing Gor men - 8/10/2008 7:36:45 PM

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On the boards or face to face I insist all Gorean slaves call me Mistress unless we are at a place where it would cause them problems such as at their workplace or their family.

Some slaves do not call me Mistress because their owners refuse to let them call anyone but them Master or Mistress, that don’t bother me either I just write their owners off as insecure and non Gorean.

If a slave/sub is not Gorean I am happy with Ma’am Mistress, Mrs … or Cheryl depending on circumstances and their own normal way of speaking in the circumstances.

However I do remember rudeness, and I do judge, but politeness is politeness and noted and I never fault the slave/sub because her owner is insecure though I might question her judgement to myself.

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RE: Non-Gorean subs addressing Gor men - 8/10/2008 9:10:49 PM

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Thus, calling a Gorean man 'Master' immediately indicates that you are a slave.

My advice is to any woman who does not wish to be treated or referred to as a slave, greet the person in question as if they were equals, politely.

Hi Stephann,

I like this. Excellent advice. The only thing I would add to it is the word "Gorean" - "any woman who does not wish to be treated or referred to as a Gorean slave" because in my own experience I've seen that there are set protocols for a Gorean slave that may or may not be something a M/s slave wishes to follow.

All in all though, I agree completely with every one of your posts on this topic.

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RE: Non-Gorean subs addressing Gor men - 8/12/2008 7:28:29 AM

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Hi there Elisabella,

See, that's the trouble; Gorean men (generally) don't differentiate between a slave, and a 'Gorean' slave. I think it's fair to say that amongst most Gorean men, most women are presumed to be slave material until (and unless) they positively demonstrate themselves to be otherwise. Thus, a woman who self-identifies as a slave (even an M/s lifestyle slave) is generally going to be accorded the same treatment that a Gorean slave might, to whatever extent the man wishes (to the etent that he may, legally and socially.)

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RE: Non-Gorean subs addressing Gor men - 8/12/2008 8:23:54 AM

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how do I address a Gorean Master when I myself am not Gorean?

You've heard the adage "When in Rome, do what the Romans do!". I just had this communication with my slave this morning. In the M/s community Master is usually reserved for one's owner. Here in Gorean, it is a little different. So I have told her that when discussing things with a known Gorean Man or in the Gorean forums, that she must address him with the protocol of the Gorean Community.

But again, if you are in a M/s relationship you are obligated to follow your Master's instruction.

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RE: Non-Gorean subs addressing Gor men - 8/12/2008 5:51:04 PM

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ORIGINAL: Stephann

Hi there Elisabella,

See, that's the trouble; Gorean men (generally) don't differentiate between a slave, and a 'Gorean' slave. I think it's fair to say that amongst most Gorean men, most women are presumed to be slave material until (and unless) they positively demonstrate themselves to be otherwise. Thus, a woman who self-identifies as a slave (even an M/s lifestyle slave) is generally going to be accorded the same treatment that a Gorean slave might, to whatever extent the man wishes (to the etent that he may, legally and socially.)

Take care,

Stephan

Yes, that's why I said that she shouldn't do so unless she wants to be treated like or referred to as a Gorean slave. There is no difference - all self identified slaves are treated as Gorean slaves on this board. It's a mistake I made when I first got here to think that other people would differentiate the way I did between a relationship status and a social status. Therefore I would advise other non-Goreans to refrain from opening that can of worms unless they want to be judged not by what they think a slave is, but what the Gorean definition of a slave is.

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RE: Non-Gorean subs addressing Gor men - 8/13/2008 7:06:30 AM

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Greetings

When I was a submissive I would write to a Gorean as I would any other man. Polite and respectful, but I would use no special titles. It had been different if I had been visiting an all Gorean site, as there usually you are expected to follow protocol or not be there at all, but at a site like collarme, it did not matter to me what lifestyle a person belonged to. As a submissive I tried to always be polite and subservient, but that is it. A post to comment on a picture would then be something like this.

Good day
My name is Anja. I hope it is ok that I write to you. I just wanted to say I really like the picture of your slave. She is a beautiful woman.
I hope you and your slave have a good day.
Respectfully
Anja

If somone would find fault with that for not following the protocols of a lifestyle you do not follow, let him be insulted. Off course if you really want to make a good impression using Master never hurts with a Gorean man, but like Stephan says, it do say I am a slave so do not use it unless you expect to be treated like a slave. I did not use Master and Mistress until I became a Gorean slave, I am freed now in case somone wondered, before I was enslaved, when I was submissive I acted like a free companion do. And really free companion is how most submissives would fit into the Gorean lifestyle, not as slaves.

I wish you well

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