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Non-Gorean subs addressing Gor men - 2/16/2007 9:10:50 AM

wyldsubmissive

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As some say: Tal ya'll.

I found myself recently writing a Gorean Master to compliment him on a picture of his slave. When I do this I try to be as respectful as possible of his choice of lifestyle and not to say anything that would offend him as both a man, a Gorean and a dominant. My main question is this: how do I address a Gorean Master when I myself am not Gorean?

Thank you for reading and I hope you have a lovely day!

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RE: Non-Gorean subs addressing Gor men - 2/16/2007 9:36:22 AM

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a Gorean master likes to be adressed as Master following His name ,
He doesn't like to be adressed as Sir .
hope i helped u a bit ...

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RE: Non-Gorean subs addressing Gor men - 2/16/2007 9:40:20 AM

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Greetings,

As pointed out the typical way to address is "Master (Name)" and that will work if you wish to use it. Since the BDSM community often has different protocol that may conflict with calling another Master, you can use just their name but you should have a greetings, such as "Greetings Orion". Make it clear that you are not of Gor and wish to be respectful, and as long as you are respectful it should be received well. This does not mean they must receive it well though, and a Gorean will respond to you as they wish to.

Be respectful, be honest and most importantly be you, and most Goreans will receive that well.

Orion

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ORIGINAL: wyldsubmissive

As some say: Tal ya'll.

I found myself recently writing a Gorean Master to compliment him on a picture of his slave. When I do this I try to be as respectful as possible of his choice of lifestyle and not to say anything that would offend him as both a man, a Gorean and a dominant. My main question is this: how do I address a Gorean Master when I myself am not Gorean?

Thank you for reading and I hope you have a lovely day!

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RE: Non-Gorean subs addressing Gor men - 2/16/2007 10:19:13 AM

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Rule of thumb like they said Master with their name. But with my Master if your nongorean that is not needed. Its not really a obligatory factor to call one Master if your outside the gorean community unless you wish to apply a little respect to the Gorean Men of the Gorean community. If I was not gorean I probably would not have addressed a gorean Master as Master. But then again I am not outside the community so I address all men as Master. So in all honesty the choice is yours. Gorean protocol is not obligatory to those outside it. Even submissive Women.

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RE: Non-Gorean subs addressing Gor men - 2/16/2007 12:55:28 PM

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The trick here is why men expect to be called 'Master.' Slaves call men Master, as a convention (from the books, and from historical roots of those books.) Thus, calling a Gorean man 'Master' immediately indicates that you are a slave.

My advice is to any woman who does not wish to be treated or referred to as a slave, greet the person in question as if they were equals, politely. If a man chooses to be offended by a polite greeting, it's most likely he wasn't worth interacting with in the first place. I certainly wouldn't invest a great deal of time or effort in a person who goes out of their way to look for reasons to be angry, but that doesn't mean they have any obligation to be polite back, either.

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RE: Non-Gorean subs addressing Gor men - 2/16/2007 2:03:07 PM

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Tal to you little wench,

When I encounter virtually any girl I am observing her. Her actions and her words. Obviously online it' s mostly words. Well, I know who I am and you know who you are. If my impression of you is important to you then you will maintain some degree of manners. If you are owned, I assure that your behavior is a direct reflection upon your owner as viewed through the eyes of Goreans. The word master is simply a common term for courtesy within our ranks. It does not denote ownership. It may also indicate ownership, but it is as common a term for us as sir is within the BDSM circles. Our girls are however expected to use such terms, it is our way. And in most cases even when outside our areas of influence, though some men don't like the term due to semantics, that's their choice, our girls are taught to respect the wishes of all free. Gorean or not.

It is the behavior that goes along with that word that indicates your true intent. If you say, fuck off master, well, I shouldn't have to tell you that we may not see your term of master as having much value. If you are courtious and say sir or even use a first name and don't expect some form of instant respect, you will fine we can be civil. Gorean men do believe that we are the Top, Dom or what ever term you want to use. We expect you to remember your place as a sub, slave or bottom. You don't have to be a door mat, kiss my ass or anything dramatic as such, but I will tell you the quickest way to see your issue fall on deaf ears is to expect a Gorean man to respect you or demand he see you as an equal. Equal is such a relative term and has no real value as a term to establish sexual or social relevance.

So use your common sense, your doing fine so far. My bet is that if your around very long you will find the term master is exactly what you will feel comfortable calling a great many of the Gorean men you meet. Even the vicious prick like ones.

Seve well,

Bull

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RE: Non-Gorean subs addressing Gor men - 2/16/2007 3:35:31 PM

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quote:

My advice is to any woman who does not wish to be treated or referred to as a slave, greet the person in question as if they were equals, politely.

Good evening, Stephan--

This quote surprised me when I read it in your advice. I don't think I could literally address a Gorean man as my equal. You know that I have explored a vast array of online settings, including but not limited to Gorean, and therefore seen a lot of ways to define rules and roles. I understand the advice you're offering, and especially understand that it is offered to a non-Gorean who may or may not even be considered submissive, but I am curious why you reference equality. Is it something you're willing to elaborate on here?

Ash

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RE: Non-Gorean subs addressing Gor men - 2/16/2007 3:55:51 PM

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Sure. I believe that civilized society relies on a rules and social mores to function. The legal basis that we are all equal is, of course, based on the social myth that we are actually equal, when clearly we are not. When meeting someone for the first time, however, it's extremely impolite (at least in western society) to assume that another person is either higher or lower in social hierarchy. Thus, I wrote (unconsciously, but I think correctly) to greet 'greet the person in question as if they were equals, ' instead of writing 'greet the person as your equal.'

The logic, here, is a bit deeper in relation to the fact that a woman is not a slave, until she has been collared, just as an slave owner is not an slave owner, until he is actually in possession of a slave. (We juxtapose this with the legal statuses implied by the fact that slavery is a legal institution, while Goreans, BDSMers, M/sers, etc are actually practicing a self-imposed form of slavery, but that's a whole other steak to grill.) Indeed, a Gorean free woman is, typically, a female submissive in her own right, is she not? I dislike the automatic assumption that simply because a non-Gorean identifies herself as a submissive, she would automatically find herself a slave in a Gorean setting, or amongst Goreans (at least on Earth.) So long as one must voluntarily choose to identify themselves as Goreans, to be considered such, the same social courtesy should be expressed in permitting the submissive to choose to become a slave, or not. I've noticed Bull lately doing this, in opening the door for a woman to submit, with at least a nod towards the reality that she might not submit, and still have something valid to offer discussion wise (i.e. socially, on these boards.)

I could elaborate more, but I don't want to put the audience to sleep.

Stephan

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RE: Non-Gorean subs addressing Gor men - 2/16/2007 6:01:39 PM

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Good evening cutegirl2,

....then there are people like me. Let me tell you a lil' story. A few years ago, i was at a very high protocol Military Function. Being the social butterfly that i am, Thorns allows me, and thoroughly enjoys watching me mingle with others.
I walked up to GeneralR., politely introduced myself and during our brief conversation the word Sir came out. He chuckled telling me that there was no need to call him that. I smiled back...tilted my head a bit to the side and said: I undersand that Sir, but i am (at that time) 45 years old, i was raised with manners, i can not see that changing anytime soon. He belly laughed and complimented me on my manners, then told me to call him Sir anytime i wanted.

I have a few Friends that are Gorean, i also address them as Sir or Ma'am. It is Thorns wishes that i continue using manners in which i was raised. I do not just do this on a message board, i do/say this throughout my whole life.
I kind of hang out here alot, i enjoy the people, i have learned a great deal also...i do but heads from time to time, but i am learning to think before react.

So far.......no one has really said that i can not say Sir or Ma'am to them. I am following Thorns' orders.......and that's how it should be.

hope you have a great weekend!

~smilezz~

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RE: Non-Gorean subs addressing Gor men - 2/16/2007 6:14:06 PM

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smilezz,

I could say "you can't call me Sir" all I like. It won't prevent it from happening.

Saying "you may not call me Sir" might be a whole other story. Being as I was enlisted, it'd still sound funny in my ears though.

This evening's rambling thought brought to you by:

Stephan

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RE: Non-Gorean subs addressing Gor men - 2/16/2007 6:27:03 PM

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Good evening Stephann,

Thank you for your ramblings. I certainly do not have a problem in addressing anyone by their screen name either, sometimes i fumble, sometimes i fall, sometimes i get it right.
As long as i am pleasing to Thorns which is what matters in the first place, and i don't intentionally offend anyone, i can go with the flow.

Have a great weekend!

~smilezz~

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RE: Non-Gorean subs addressing Gor men - 2/16/2007 6:35:02 PM

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I am not a gorean, but being familiar with gorean protocol, if I encounter one I will gladly call him Master. Why shouldn’t I? He is a man, its supposed to be up to the slave to adapt to the men not vice versa.

~starr~

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RE: Non-Gorean subs addressing Gor men - 2/16/2007 6:39:54 PM

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Greetings smilez,
I personaly despise, being called Ma'am, always have. Normally if and when I visit a BDSM room or off line function, I let the submissive know this and say, I prefer either being addressed as Mistress or FW Maahsatti/Barbara.most respect my request, though some react to the contrary, so be it, I say. I know I have not said anything to you about addressing me as Ma'am , that one time, we posted to each other...lol..simply because I have watched your mannorism with the other Free and felt it was just a part of how you are, or rather, just your way. moreso then it being a BDSM protocal.
Anyways, just wanted to let you know, I did catch the Ma'am thing with me, but did not hate it too much...*laughs gently*

serve and be well,
Mistress or FW Maahsatti, but not old enough to be Ma'am...*winks*

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RE: Non-Gorean subs addressing Gor men - 2/16/2007 6:43:26 PM

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When do I get a paddling...err, I mean paddle under my name?

*smirks, eveh so sweet and innocently*

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RE: Non-Gorean subs addressing Gor men - 2/16/2007 6:45:02 PM

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Good evening Starrshine,

I'm not even going to say that i am "familiar" with Gorean protocol. I am not a Gorean's slave either. I will certainly say that i very much enjoy the protocol, i can understand it, i can even want alot of it. I enjoy being here.

I would rather be wrong and correct it than assume. As far as adapting goes, i adapt quite well with other Men........most i hold in high esteme, a great deal are best Friends, but for me..........it boils down to what Thorns wants, what He requires. If one day He told me to call other Men: Master so and so, or Mistress so and so, i would without question.

have a pleasant evening...

~smilezz~

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RE: Non-Gorean subs addressing Gor men - 2/16/2007 6:50:39 PM

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Well good evening FW Maahsatti,

Thank you for the input. Now i know! I have marked this down for future referance too.
By the way, i am older than you are, i am no where near old....so there is NO way that you can be *grinz*

Thank you again for your clarification ....

I hope you have a splendid weekend!

~smilezz~

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RE: Non-Gorean subs addressing Gor men - 2/16/2007 6:52:53 PM

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greetings wyld....

quote:

ORIGINAL: wyldsubmissive

As some say: Tal ya'll.

I found myself recently writing a Gorean Master to compliment him on a picture of his slave. When I do this I try to be as respectful as possible of his choice of lifestyle and not to say anything that would offend him as both a man, a Gorean and a dominant. My main question is this: how do I address a Gorean Master when I myself am not Gorean?

Thank you for reading and I hope you have a lovely day!

The suggestions here are pretty good. Personally....I prefer a sub to use Master Malkinius, but that is a personal preference, not something I am going to scream at you about. My ego won't be deflated if some unknown slave or sub doesn't call me Master. This paragraph is one of the very few times I have ever written "Master Malkinius" as it is something I almost never use to refer to myself. You will note that except in examples like this, I don't use 'Master <name>' when referring to any free person. Your "Hello Master" works as well. <grins>

be well....

Malkinius

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RE: Non-Gorean subs addressing Gor men - 2/16/2007 6:53:16 PM

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Everyone here knows what I think of Gor but I have a question for Stephen.

In English we don't have various forms of address but most "Western" languages, from German to the romance languages, there are often different ways of addressing people with whom you are merely acquainted with as opposed to more intimate with.

Other than that objection I agree with you. To be offended others don't follow your social norms means by definition you are not respecting theirs.

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RE: Non-Gorean subs addressing Gor men - 2/16/2007 7:52:53 PM

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Tal ya'll,

I thought it was cute that one of the non-Goreans picked up on my ya'll drawal. I'm a conundrum of preferences, and also of flexibility. I was also raised in the south, USA, and Sir and M'am are a part of respect and particularly respect to elders. I was also in the military, and I can remember the first time I called a Chief Sir, and he said, "Lil lady, I work for a living. You may call me Clyde, or Chief, but I will not tolerate Sir again." So, seeing as I wished to stay away from trouble and extra duty hours, I refrained from Sirs where they were not applicable.Then I have spent time in BDSM environments in offline meetings, and the use of honorifics is rare and random. There are times it seems obvious that a Sir or M'am is about to come from a submissive's lips, but mostly conversation just occurs, and people use first names. Then there is BDSM online, and the honorifics go or come depending on who manages rooms. Also you toss in the mess of Gorean requirements, and it seems clear that either Master or Mistress will work, and little else. When I have gone to Gorean gatherings, again the names of those around me seemed used far more often than Master this or Mistress that, though again, there was a smattering of both... and then you factor in my own inner understanding of a submissive nature to men, and a sense of equality to most who call themselves free women, and a sense of understanding the deeper surrender of slavery, and again them being female... and the crux of many men who I would prefer not to address at all, but must at least respectfully use name, and then you see a random and rare few who have earned my utmost respect, and I'd call them Sir or something if it were anything close to appropriate.

Yes, I know that was rambling, run on thought, but it is how I process the terminology...
Confusingly,
Ash

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RE: Non-Gorean subs addressing Gor men - 2/16/2007 8:02:44 PM

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Greetings wyld,

Just address them as anyone else, with respect, and let them know that you are not part of the Gorean community, simple.

No one gets their head ripped off for being respectful, and just use the CORRECT grammar....grins and chuckles...like you have in your journal.

If you just be honest, place your views across simply and openly, you will get the same in the reply.

Be well.

Frank Ar.

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