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would you??(Directed at kajirae) - 2/22/2007 1:22:03 AM

millisande

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Greetings, Masters.
Greetings, Mistresses.
Greetings, brothers and sisters of the chain.

Something in one of barely’s posts, about this being ‘just’ online, and not living as a Gorean in all aspects of life, struck a nerve in bina, and she’s been mulling this around in her head for a day or so…

Would you, as a slave, obey the order of someone that you didn’t know, so long as it does not conflict with an order of your Master?

Example 1: Master GenericGoreanMan posts that your posts have personally offended him, and tells you to cease using the boards, and to report your behavior to your Master.

Example 2: Complete stranger tells you to get the door for them as they walk in/out a door near where you are standing.

This is, of course assuming that the girl has common sense, and/or a Master who values her, and has directed her not to damage his property, or place it in danger… Getting in cars with random strangers = a generally hailed as a bad idea….

With all respect, and in hopes that this is pleasing to the Free,
bina, of Wolf

*Please note, this is not meant to be seen as an attack on anyone, nor slander or baiting of barely.... bina just wanted to give her due credit for starting her down this train of thought....*

<Edited to attempt to avoid another flame war>

< Message edited by millisande -- 2/22/2007 1:27:10 AM >

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RE: would you??(Directed at kajirae) - 2/22/2007 2:04:45 AM

kisshou

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greetings bina,

I would definately obey the order of a Gorean Free person unless it was in direct conflict with a standing order of Master PhantomOp, if it was I would politely and respectfully explain that.

I would not obey the order of any random stranger, though in your second example I am sure I would open the door. I tend to open doors, let people out into traffic and things of that nature just trying to be helpful to others. I think if some stranger started rudely barking orders at me I would get scared. Though if they were the captain of a ship or some other position of authority , like a policeman, I would obey.

It is an interesting topic to think about :)

well wishes
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RE: would you??(Directed at kajirae) - 2/22/2007 2:19:21 AM

noyeh

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greetings Masters, Mistresses and fellow slaves, greetings millisande

Example 1: Master GenericGoreanMan posts that your posts have personally offended him, and tells you to cease using the boards, and to report your behavior to your Master.

This question is quite easy to answer for me. I never post anything without my Master proof-reading it first.(If he say's it is ok to post then I post it. If he does not like it I work on my post until he finds it agreeable to post.) If a Free has a problem with anything I post, I would make it known to that Free to contact my Master and let him know what was offending him. (If it was a particular topic I would pause any posting on that particular topic to keep from causing any offense until after my Master verified what the problem was. However I would not quite posting on the board itself in general. Everyone has different views. Only way I could see myself stopping is if I was being very disrespectful to the Free on the boards. then I would do so imediately.)

Also if my Master is proof-reading my posts I see no reason to quite posting unless my Master told me to stop posting. I would continue until he said otherwise. I trust his judgements.Why should I quite posting if my Master preapproves my posts? (Unless the Master that told me to stop posting owned the site. Then I would respect his wishes and quite posting until my Master talked with him.)

Example 2: Complete stranger tells you to get the door for them as they walk in/out a door near where you are standing.

If it was in a public place I would generally be opening a door for someone anyway's. If it is a car door and I don't know the person? No because I don't want to take the chance of being shoved into the car by force. (Its all about common sense here. Basically it depended on the circumstances. I do have manners if I need to use them I will. If I sense danger. Heck no.)

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RE: would you??(Directed at kajirae) - 2/22/2007 5:35:43 AM

barelynangel

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First bina, i have asked you before and you have consistantly used angel until this post, so while i am curious at your change now, as you have been on the board enough to know peeople calling me barely irritates me, i will ask you again after all this time, do not call me barely. Thank you.

As you are using my words/thoughts out of context or to me anyway indicating confusion at my thoughts, i will explain my thoughts so people don't presume what you are speaking about in terms of actual slaves is what i say.

i will clarify to me a kajira is an owned slave of a Gorean Man, held in Gorean slavery. I have never stated an actual slave should not obey directives of Free Men who are strangers to her online IF that is what their Master's expect of them. As they would have Masters to clarify that, i don't see it being an issue for them. You placed the operative words here bina,

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so long as it does not conflict with an order of your Master

. Women who want to be slaves and call themselves a slave to Gorean Men who are strangers and these womenyet are not owned, are truly at the mercy of the Free in all venues. That is what i believe and that is a situation i do not put myself in, no matter if strangers believe i should. To me, i don't differentiate the authority of a Gorean Man to a slave offline or online. Therefore, i keep my own authority in both venues, unless i do know someone and then the Man and my reactions to him usually direct what happens.

If i remember correctly in this same kind of topic in the past your Master has stated he would allow any Man who claims to be a Gorean Man even if you don't know him to punish you offline as long as he doesn't permenantly damage you. And if you can't stop him, use you, as its your responsibility to stop a FM because your Master doesn't want you to be used by others.

That is a idea in which why i don't claim to be a slave online or offline many Masters see it in the opposite. To me, an unowned woman offline and online only have her own determinations on what a Free can and cannot do to her or when its appropriate for them to order a slave to do something and she decide to counter it. I hope this clarifies what my thoughts are on such an idea. I fully believe its up to the Master of the woman to determine what she will and won't do in terms of obedience online and off.

And to note, this is not an attack on you or your post, if you never used my name or implied something about me out of context or shown a confusion as to what i was speaking about, i have had no reason to post. So i did want to clarify as i already have enough people thinking badly of me, i wouldn't wish a miscommunication in presenting or reading for them to also think my words extend to actual slaves.

angel or barelynangel

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RE: would you??(Directed at kajirae) - 2/22/2007 5:56:26 AM

BeingChewsie

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quote:

ORIGINAL: millisande

Greetings, Masters.
Greetings, Mistresses.
Greetings, brothers and sisters of the chain.

Something in one of barely’s posts, about this being ‘just’ online, and not living as a Gorean in all aspects of life, struck a nerve in bina, and she’s been mulling this around in her head for a day or so…

Would you, as a slave, obey the order of someone that you didn’t know, so long as it does not conflict with an order of your Master?

Example 1: Master GenericGoreanMan posts that your posts have personally offended him, and tells you to cease using the boards, and to report your behavior to your Master.

Example 2: Complete stranger tells you to get the door for them as they walk in/out a door near where you are standing.

This is, of course assuming that the girl has common sense, and/or a Master who values her, and has directed her not to damage his property, or place it in danger… Getting in cars with random strangers = a generally hailed as a bad idea….

With all respect, and in hopes that this is pleasing to the Free,
bina, of Wolf

*Please note, this is not meant to be seen as an attack on anyone, nor slander or baiting of barely.... bina just wanted to give her due credit for starting her down this train of thought....*

<Edited to attempt to avoid another flame war>

Hi Millisande,

I'm not a Gorean's slave so coming from a smaller absolutist community only members of my owner's peer group can tell me what to do and I'd have obey. I'm only required to obey people my owner determines are his peers. So that eliminates online interaction immediately. As far as doors I have never had a man not hold the door open for me, if it happened with some random stranger I'd just grab the door..no hurt, no foul..no dominance, no submission, just a door.

**Now here is where absolute obedience and uncondoitional slavery come in for us:
If it was a member of my owner's peer group I'd have to obey, no matter what. I can't judge my owner's peers and refuse. Anything less than immediate obedience would imply judging his peers or thinking about whether to comply or not..and in our absolutist community slaves just don't do that. Slavery is unconditional, there is no prime directive to protect his property, certainly not from him or his peers..in fact that would be the polar opposite of his expectation of a slave...immediate compliance is the minimum expectation. In this household you just need to obey, common sense has nothing to do with, I'm not allowed to counter his decisions or his peers, so it plays no role within that group, on the street with stranger is the only place it remotely matters.

Great question, thanks!

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RE: would you??(Directed at kajirae) - 2/22/2007 6:06:20 AM

Stephann

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I would advise a slave, owned or not, that a stranger of any sort doesn't have the authority to determine where she may or may not choose to visit. On the other hand, all slave should make the effort to be found sufficiantly pleasing as often as possible, so that they never have cause to be instructed in such a fashion. A slave can disagree in most public forums (this one for example) without being displeasing in the process. I personally can't stand 'yes-slaves,' they make lousy conversationalists.

When I am instructing a slave, I explain she isn't just to be pleasing to me, but to the world. It isn't an act of love or respect for me, but a conscious effort to be beautiful, period. Thus, if she was 'instructed' to open a door by someone off the street, she would be expected to do so. She is also to keep her wits about her, and avoid situations where there's any chance of danger. Even if the man was rude. However, if he rudely demanded she fill out a credit card application, or some other task revealing personal, privileged, or other information, she would refuse. If instructed to walk up and down ten flights of stairs, she is to refuse as it would detain her from the errands I've sent her on. In short, she will as beautiful as possible, while still obeying my instructions. Clearly, anything inherently dangerous to her would risk making her service to me less than satisfying.

Stephan

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RE: would you??(Directed at kajirae) - 2/22/2007 6:11:24 AM

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--side question--

bina and angel,

Is this another generic thread that actually isn't generic and has ulterior motives? Seeing bina address angel's comments in another thread, and noting how many comments flew back and forth between both of you earlier in the week, I'm seriously asking.

Ash

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RE: would you??(Directed at kajirae) - 2/22/2007 7:01:31 AM

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angel,

You bring up a valid point. I think owned girl's have it easy. If your owner tells you to obey random strangers you damn well better obey. If he doesn't say that then she is in the clear. Here is where I'm going to say some very unpopular things, but this house is not politically correct at all. Those who choose to call themselves slaves without owners are in a different category and at a distinct disadvantage..I believe they need to obey all free, no matter what...they chose the status without an owner to guide and protect them, they forfeited their freedom, so too bad.

I'm a hard ass though, my owner has taught me that we try to constrain our natural drives too much, and impose far to many artifical constructs to control the behavior of human animals(in large part to protect females). We believe in consequences for choices, even the ones we have little choice or no choice but to make. So if an unowned girl's innate drive is to be a slave then she should choose slave in the Gorean community(since she must choose slave or free), she also chooses all the consequences of that choice..all of them. If that means she has to obey the Gorean free unconditionally(which she should, she is afterall being true to her nature and must be absolutely obedient and slavery is unconditional), that is just too bad. We can't all be dealt a winning hand in genetics and innate drives in life. The strongest and free are always rewarded, this is no different. If she can't handle that choice and wants to be able to choose her own path and protect herself, then she should choose to be free and defend it( if she can). If she can't and a man takes her/enslaves her, he will then tell her what to do, problem solved.

Please note these view only reflect the beliefs of household I belong too :).

< Message edited by BeingChewsie -- 2/22/2007 7:02:44 AM >

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RE: would you??(Directed at kajirae) - 2/22/2007 7:02:15 AM

barelynangel

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It is not my intention to start anything, I honestly cannot answer for bina's motives, as flowery and beautifully written prose don't always to me anyway mask intent, in coming off the other thread so soon as well as the slaughtering of my name and the "struck a nerve" idea, as well as to me implication of my words to mean something outside the context i have used such, lead me to believe i needed to say something in defense of myself.

I think the concept of the question is a wonderful one for owned women, because at times i know it is difficult with strangers. I only replied for the concept of clarification because of the indication of my albeit slaughtered name being referenced and to me anyway the concept of what i have been sayinig being misconstrued.

As i am not owned and therefore not a slave, a general question of such i would not have answered unless i choose to utilize my past experience as a slave, however, since i was not online then, i couldn't have answered it either way.

angel

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RE: would you??(Directed at kajirae) - 2/22/2007 7:02:48 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: BeingChewsie

Slavery is unconditional, there is no prime directive to protect his property, certainly not from him or his peers..

Greetings BeingChewsie,

if his property was damaged would he expect restitution from his peers?

well wishes
kisshou

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RE: would you??(Directed at kajirae) - 2/22/2007 7:05:42 AM

Stephann

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Ash,

It better not.

bina, your original post offered good questions. Continue to be beautiful in your words, and strongly consider avoiding mentioning angel's name, for any reason.

Stephan

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RE: would you??(Directed at kajirae) - 2/22/2007 7:12:52 AM

Stephann

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quote:

ORIGINAL: kisshou

quote:

ORIGINAL: BeingChewsie

Slavery is unconditional, there is no prime directive to protect his property, certainly not from him or his peers..

Greetings BeingChewsie,

if his property was damaged would he expect restitution from his peers?

well wishes
kisshou

kisshou,

It would seem to me, the answer is "if he wishes." The statement she makes, appears to illustrate that he cares for his property, because he wishes to; not because of an artificial social expectation that he care for it. Naturally, a woman should be careful in her choice of owner, to beg the collar of a man who would be inclined to protect what is his. Lots of men are careless with their toys, and that lack of care is easy to identify.

Stephan

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RE: would you??(Directed at kajirae) - 2/22/2007 7:24:20 AM

BeingChewsie

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Hi kisshou :)

He is away on vacation down your way this week..and I can't contact him unless it involves death

(and I miss him soooo much). So when he gets back I'll ask him. He will probably tell me that it is none of my business.

I'm not suggesting he doesn't have set guidelines for how his peers interact with me or for how he interacts with me...I'm just saying it is never up to me to decide to protect myself from him or his peers...that is their realm. I trust him to make the best choices for me. That doesn't come with a disclaimer. What, if any restrictions he put on himself or them is soley up to him, it isn't up to me to enforce or concern myself with. Seven years next month and I'm still alive and kicking so it works. Thanks for asking and as soon as he gets back on Sunday night..after I'm done kissing the ground he walks on..I'll ask him :).

quote:

ORIGINAL: kisshou

quote:

ORIGINAL: BeingChewsie

Slavery is unconditional, there is no prime directive to protect his property, certainly not from him or his peers..

Greetings BeingChewsie,

if his property was damaged would he expect restitution from his peers?

well wishes
kisshou

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RE: would you??(Directed at kajirae) - 2/22/2007 8:28:28 AM

Jahnaca

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Hello bina

Everything to follow is based on the most common norms found within the Gorean community.

quote:

Example 1: Master GenericGoreanMan posts that your posts have personally offended him, and tells you to cease using the boards, and to report your behavior to your Master.

Owned girls do as instructed. They go to their owners and wait for the men to hash things out. Period!

Those girls who are not owned, they go to the moderators of the Gorean board for instruction.

While boards are online, boards are still viewed as being in someone’s living room. This of course being Gorean boards (in my practice I view all boards as someone’s house, I am no different here then I would be if I were face to face with them). In any case, if girls want to be viewed as potential slaves, or as slaves, they best be acting in a manner that portrays that attitude no matter where they are or who they are with (boards or not). The show (not actual) of respect is required of slaves, period. For those women seeking slavery, it is in their best interest to start practicing this skill now, not later. Self control is what it boils down to.

Similar types of expectations on behavior is though applied to all free as well.

Example 2: Complete stranger tells you to get the door for them as they walk in/out a door near where you are standing.

Obviously this is situational as safety concerns do come into play. Very few people though would not open the door for the frail old man or woman with toddler and infant in toe. Some would further open doors for strangers no matter who they are. It is actually quite rude socially to slam the door in someone’s face. Then again I live in a community that people open doors for other people all of the time, and slavery or the lack of it I suspect is not even on their minds. This boils down to respectful social skills in polite society. I don’t see this scenario being the best example of anything other then social norms in polite society at large.

Jahna

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RE: would you??(Directed at kajirae) - 2/22/2007 10:01:14 AM

millisande

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Greetings, Masters.
Greetings, Mistresses.
Greetings, brothers and sisters of the chain.

Greetings, angel..
bina appologizes, as she was very tired when she posted. She and her Master still refer to you , when speaking out loud, as 'barely'as that is what we called you for a long time, before your request, and it is normally an effort to change that when she posts. No offense was meant. There was absoloutely no intent to disrespect or discredit you, and she felt that there would be worse arguments if she used your words out of context and you recognized them, and took offense to bina misusing angels words as her own, not even correctly at that... again, sorry for the confusion and frustration.

Greetings, Mistress Ashaia.
bina, too, has no ulterrior motives with this thread. After offering her apologies in another thread, she would not dare to snark at angel here. That would make her a liar, because someone who is sorry for something does their best not to do that thing again. Doubly so for a slave who greatly fears she has been displeasing. However, Mistress, thank you greatly for asking, and not assuming that bina was intentionally trying to start something... It makes a girl feel better that she hasn't earned that bad of a reputation yet.

Greetings, Master Stephan.
Thank you, Master.
Yes, Master, girl will indeed endevour to do just that.

Greetings, General Populace...
Thank you for all of the wonderful, diverse replies. bina will make a more detailed response to a few in a while, as well as add her own views on the subject... not ignoring things, simply wanted to clear up an issue, before it became one.

With all respect, and in hopes that this is pleasing to the Free,
bina, of Wolf.

< Message edited by millisande -- 2/22/2007 10:21:04 AM >

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RE: would you??(Directed at kajirae) - 2/22/2007 10:17:02 AM

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Thank you bina.

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RE: would you??(Directed at kajirae) - 2/22/2007 10:17:30 AM

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Deleted because CM is evil...

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RE: would you??(Directed at kajirae) - 2/22/2007 10:24:28 AM

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Greetings bina,

My girl cannot reply to you at the moment due to training restrictions. I will say that my girl has instructions on what she can and cannot do for the Free. She has also been instructed to never do as a stranger says, but we need look at what the Gorean definition is for stranger. She does have a blanket condition that if a Free asks her to do something she believes would displease me, she is to decline and tell me ASAP. She also knows that this fail safe condition should only be used in the most extreme circumstances.

Orion

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RE: would you??(Directed at kajirae) - 2/22/2007 10:51:57 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: BeingChewsie

angel,

You bring up a valid point. I think owned girl's have it easy. If your owner tells you to obey random strangers you damn well better obey. If he doesn't say that then she is in the clear. Here is where I'm going to say some very unpopular things, but this house is not politically correct at all. Those who choose to call themselves slaves without owners are in a different category and at a distinct disadvantage..I believe they need to obey all free, no matter what...they chose the status without an owner to guide and protect them, they forfeited their freedom, so too bad.

I'm a hard ass though, my owner has taught me that we try to constrain our natural drives too much, and impose far to many artifical constructs to control the behavior of human animals(in large part to protect females). We believe in consequences for choices, even the ones we have little choice or no choice but to make. So if an unowned girl's innate drive is to be a slave then she should choose slave in the Gorean community(since she must choose slave or free), she also chooses all the consequences of that choice..all of them. If that means she has to obey the Gorean free unconditionally(which she should, she is afterall being true to her nature and must be absolutely obedient and slavery is unconditional), that is just too bad. We can't all be dealt a winning hand in genetics and innate drives in life. The strongest and free are always rewarded, this is no different. If she can't handle that choice and wants to be able to choose her own path and protect herself, then she should choose to be free and defend it( if she can). If she can't and a man takes her/enslaves her, he will then tell her what to do, problem solved.

Please note these view only reflect the beliefs of household I belong too :).

Greetings Masters, Mistresses and fellow slaves, Greetings Mistress BeingChewsie,

Not sure if your a Free or slave so am being on the safe side. I have to disagree with the part about a unowned slave having to follow everyones direction. The reason why? She is unowned keyword=unowned. This means she is a nominal Free whether she wants to be or not. so thus this means she is not a slave technically. But, at anytime that could change. What this does mean is being she is technically a Free she does not have to follow the orders of Free unless she deems to consent to their orders. The keyword= Consent. In the real world there is only consensual slavery. A unowned slave has to consent before doing anything she does not have to do so because she was commanded by Strange Free People. Now if she knows them she should pause and ask what the problem is and show proper respect. Even though she is technically a Free Woman by default she should still be submissive to Men and find out what she did wrong. Being she does not have a Owner or Man protecting her she has to represent herself.

However just because she is a unowned slave and technically a Free WOman by default does not mean she can go around misrepresenting herself and being ill mannered to everyone on the boards. If she is dishonorable with her actions on the boards she had better darned well listen to the other Free on the boards. But she does not have to listen to their advice if she does not want to. She is on her own if she is dishonorable.

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RE: would you??(Directed at kajirae) - 2/22/2007 11:06:38 AM

Stephann

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noyeh,

As we've pointed out in a similar thread, an 'unowned' slavegirl is no more a free woman than she is a free man. The distinction isn't inherent in the collar; a man may collar a slave using a piece of rope, or nothing at all. Her social status is the direct result of a man's efforts to collar her, and the efforts of the men who care for that woman to protect her.

Having said that, a woman who chooses to be a Gorean free woman, in a real life context, certainly starts off as such. I don't know any of the free women on this board who would defy the men who cared for her, should they choose to place her in bondage. Any woman, free or slave, who defies the established community should expect to answer for her actions; or be ostracized from that community.

Regards,
Stephan

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