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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
Each State Board of nursing has its own policy. Each Hospital as well. When you allpy for a license, before you even look for a job, you have agreed to this. the nurse in your example broke not just one oath, but many, Master

well wishes

tazzy

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ORIGINAL: ryssa

Thank you Mistress Kimveri and Master Orion for your reply...I understand what you both are saying.  

If I may ask one thing further on this subject and hopefully be clear on what I'm asking....

If above was true, you found out your doctor/nurse was a slave, and she was owned by a good, respectable man, would you have any reservations about disclosing personal information to her based on the fact that she was a slave? Would you feel that there was a "conflict of interest" (that could be the wrong phrase to use here, but for lack of a better one at the moment).. whereas being Free, you  felt it was inappropriate for a slave to have access to such personal information of yours?  

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ORIGINAL: sweetgirlserves

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I damage my own honor by telling her to break a law or rule I initially told her to uphold.ORIGINAL: Kimveri

I understand that the whole point of this is simply to discuss it on a philosophical level, however, i think the important thing to note here, is that in breaking the law, it is the *slave* who will go to jail or face whatever consequences there are to her actions... and no one really will care much about the *honor* of her Master.  I think the thing to keep in mind also, is that slave-like girls can really suck at the whole 'self preservation' idea.

~sgs

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

"Where did you find this new slave?" asked Arlene of me, not too pleasantly, regarding the slim, beautiful girl I had brought with me. "I am not a slave, Slave," said the pale, aristocratic, black-haired girl. Arlene looked at me, frightened. "She is not yet a legal slave," I told Arlene, "so treat her with the technical respect due to a free female." Arlene fell to her knees before her, her head down, and the girl straightened herself, proudly. "Get up," I said to Arlene. She did so. "Though this girl is not yet a legal slave," I told Arlene, "she is actually a true slave." The girl recoiled. "Thus," I said, "she need not be treated with particular respect." Beasts of Gor pg 415

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

i can honestly say no, for many reasons. one, there is a standard of care, one implemented by those far, far more knowledgable than i, and its not my place to question that standard when its needed to be implemented. i qualified that because an emergency or the middle of a treatment program isnt the best time to question such things. if a treatment is within the standard of care, its my job to follow it. i may question a dosage that seems too high, or offer suggestions for other treatments, but, i am not there to diagnose, just to follow treatment. and i have often used those standards of care to fight for my patients when the Dr chooses not to follow them. its rather an amazing system.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

as far as the honor issue, its not worth the time anymore. i am a slave, working under the demand (yes, when i moved here, it was a condition that i attempt to regain my license) and considerations of a Man. he doesnt have time to answer the many calls i could place to him during the day asking if i did this, would his honor be violated. he trusts me to know my job, and do it well. beyond that, this part of the discussion ends here for me. the Free have spoken on this issue, and, while i do not necessarily agree, i will not discuss it further.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

i dont know if this answers any of your questions, ishy. it may be better to just agree to disagree on this. your values are set by Master Bull, mine are set by Master... they may clash at times, and all we can do is follow what we have been told.

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perhaps we are seeing it from two different perspectives. if a Man makes a determination about any woman, i surely wont question it. and there is a book reference for this exact thing. perhaps we were taught differently. to question the status given to a woman, was to question what was given by a man. i dont question relationships. if a man calls a girl "slave" who am i to call her anything else.. or.. even allude to the fact that she might be.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
"Where did you find this new slave?" asked Arlene of me, not too pleasantly, regarding the slim, beautiful girl I had brought with me. "I am not a slave, Slave," said the pale, aristocratic, black-haired girl. Arlene looked at me, frightened. "She is not yet a legal slave," I told Arlene, "so treat her with the technical respect due to a free female." Arlene fell to her knees before her, her head down, and the girl straightened herself, proudly. "Get up," I said to Arlene. She did so. "Though this girl is not yet a legal slave," I told Arlene, "she is actually a true slave." The girl recoiled. "Thus," I said, "she need not be treated with particular respect." Beasts of Gor pg 415

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Thank you for providing the quote, though I fail to see how it is relevant to the point you are trying to make.
It seems to me that this quote say that the ONLY thing a kajira needs to take into consideration when decision how to interact with other people in relation to their status is the opinion of her own Master. While the woman in this post was technically free, the man decided that his slave did not need to take into account how other people judged her, but only what she was based on the determinations HE made. Other Free Men's opinion of the woman and her status was irrelevant to his slave, because of his determination of her.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

if a man, not my Master, made the exact determination, unless my Master overrode that determination, i still would not question it. a slave obeys, according to what i was told, unless her owners rules override. to me, this isnt a hard concept, and the ownership only comes into play if the slave's owner says the initial determination of the Free was incorrect.

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ORIGINAL: Kimveri

Howdy, kiani,

Legalities have little to do with this. Laws are rules made & agreed to by mankind. Laws can be changed in the same manner. Personal codes & ethics supercede law, at least for a free person living an agent-based morality.

But, to your question: Either you know the man well enough to know that you can live within the bounds of his morality, or you pay the cost of taking a collar before you knew this.

IMO, a girl who made a foolish mistake & then got the hell up off her knees long enough to get out is a far better potential slave than the girl who makes a foolish mistake & keeps herself there out of some twisted sense of obligation & ends up dead, maimed, etc.

Make your choices, pay the costs, & learn from your mistakes. Just don't expect fairness. Life doesn't come with a money-back guarantee.

Good gods, gals....it really IS simple.

~Kimveri

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ORIGINAL: ishyB

By your logic, ANYTHING a girl says is questioning a free...
If you yourself say that slaves hold honor because that's the way your Master taught you, you are making the same type of  'questioning the determination of a Free' that you are accusing me of doing, because you are (by your logic -not mine) saying that my Master, Master Orion and Mistress Kimveri are wrong...
That's just not how things work. Stating a definition is simply not the same as making a judgement about somebody.

I wish you well,

ishy

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if a man, not my Master, made the exact determination, unless my Master overrode that determination, i still would not question it. a slave obeys, according to what i was told, unless her owners rules override. to me, this isnt a hard concept, and the ownership only comes into play if the slave's owner says the initial determination of the Free was incorrect.

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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

~FR~

Without taking it to an extreme, there will be in life, when an owner's decision does not match ethics a slave has determined as her own. In those instances, do you obey, or do you disobey?

Orion

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ORIGINAL: slavetaboo

Greetings Master,

I've mulled this over for a few days now giving it serious consideration. I'm afraid my answer might be shocking to some people. I would love to say that without a doubt I would obey because I assume that would be the correct answer. Plus, it certainly wouldn't paint a target on me of someone attempting to retain traits of a free person. However, the only honest answer I could provide is that I'm just not sure.

I know that I would frequently obey. I also know that at times I would struggle with that obedience. I'm pretty sure I'd make the wrong choice at least once and beg for forgiveness after realizing it was a mistake. It feels shameful to admit this publicly. Something inside me just whole heartedly believes that it's right to be honest in my journey as a slave and that this is more important than presenting myself as a perfect specimen of a natural slave. 

Even with the experiences I've had, I know myself to be at the beginning of this journey. I know my path will suffer no shortage of good intentions and submissive urges but I wasn't born a model slave. Through persistence and perseverance, I hope I will know more and understand more so that I can do and be all that is expected of me. I'd like to see my answer to this same question in five years.

I'd like to offer you thanks for such a thought provoking question.

taboo