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RE: slaves thread: support and girlie time - 7/9/2009 3:53:49 PM   
BeingChewsie


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No, I don't think it is wrong for any woman(slave or not) to have sex with a married man.

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ORIGINAL: kisshou

greetings girls,

do you think it is wrong for a slave to have sex with a married man? (I mean wrong for the slave to do it, not the man)


well wishes
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RE: slaves thread: support and girlie time - 7/9/2009 6:50:36 PM   
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quote:

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I think this is also going to be the most important thing to learn in the next couple of months/years.
I'm in a place right now, were on a purely intellectual level, I totally know and understand where and how I fit into his life; at the same time though, on an emotional/instinctive level, I still have the tendency to fall back and rely on old habits created with other men when it comes to how I relate to the way he keeps me.

ishy


Greetings ishy,

I have been following this conversation and when I read the words above I just had to chime in because I can soooo relate.  I have been collared for almost 2 years now and I still slip into old habits and ideas of how I was taught relationships "should" be.  It is so frustrating because most of those ideas are not how I actually want my relationships to be.  I also have a huge need to be kept in my place and while I might cry some nights that he is with another woman I would simply hate it if I knew he was denying that aspect of himself in order to keep me happy.  I think I cry because I get caught up in feeling that I was supposed to be the one sleeping with him, that I some how had the right.  When I can remember that this was his will I usually get all warm and fuzzy.   It's just frustrating that I still have not completely reached that acceptance.

In regards to the original question I will just offer my feelings.  I do not think I would do well as first girl but neither do I think I would do well if there was another first girl.  I believe I could thrive in a situation such as the one that ishy is in where she has a Mistress and Master but being above or below another slave feels weird to me.  I very much hope that one day we will stumble across a girl that I can share my life with and she can share hers with me and we both share ours with Master.  I would very much embrace a situation where we all were one unit rather than she and him having a relation that I am left out of and him and I having a relationship that she is left out of etc.  I hope that makes sense.

Also, amy, I just want to say that I very much relate to what you said.  I am a twin as well and I think that is where my feelings about another girl come from.  I would love a girl that was my equal because I am very used to sharing everything with someone else and I think I sometimes try to do that with Master in a way that doesn't always work because, well, he's the Master and I'm the slave and we don't want to be the same in the way that me and another girl might be. 

ugh I must go but will come back later to make sure I made sense... :P

Warm wishes,

charlotte




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RE: slaves thread: support and girlie time - 7/9/2009 10:09:46 PM   
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greetings girls!

thank you all very much. It is so wonderful to have a place like this where you feel like you can fit in and relate to others.

well wishes
kisshou

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RE: slaves thread: support and girlie time - 7/10/2009 2:21:11 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: kisshou

greetings girls,

do you think it is wrong for a slave to have sex with a married man? (I mean wrong for the slave to do it, not the man)


well wishes
kisshou


Greetings kisshou,

And no have not changed the sexual orientation....LOL

You have to ask a few questions before hand in getting an answer.

Is the married man cheating on his wife and does the slave know of it ?

Is the man cheating and the slave has no knowledge ?

Is the man married still and the divorce is coming in a couple of days ?

Does the slave have sex with any male that has a heartbeat ? Do you have that slave's phone number ? ROFL....

The bottom line would be a moral dilema. Remember the ramifications are not just the 2 people. The wife, the ums, work colleauges, immediate family, friends. The bottom line, can the slave hold her head in public afterwards.

Be well.

Frank Ar.


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RE: slaves thread: support and girlie time - 7/10/2009 4:04:08 AM   
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Greetings Master Frank,

thank you for taking the time to answer my question. I wondered if the Free people would answer differently than the slaves but was too chicken to start a new thread and ask.

If he is cheating and the slave knows it, does that make her a party to deceit? Or is that just all on him since he is the only one who made a vow?


well wishes
kisshou

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RE: slaves thread: support and girlie time - 7/10/2009 7:36:07 AM   
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Hi kisshou,

If the wife knew, I would.  Not really proud of that though... I guess it is what it is.

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RE: slaves thread: support and girlie time - 7/10/2009 7:52:04 AM   
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quote:

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For me, the more the merrier!  I am the biggest collector of people and a total sharer.  I'd love a sprawling compound or maybe a village or island filled with everyone I love and everyone that they love, loving together with large common living areas and bungalo type places for privacy.  If it weren't for the religions themselves, I would thrive in one of those Mormon compounds or a cult compound.  I want an island full of slaves to share my experiences with, to have a day where its my turn to cook for the group and other servants/slaves have their own assigned days to be the cook.  I want a compound so big we have our own laundry mat and have a day of the week all the servants/slaves hang out talking and sharing while we do the wash for the compound.

We are monogamous because Master is not interested in investing himself in anyone else at the moment.  If/when he decides to invest himself in another, I'll be excited.  For me, it has nothing to do with sex.  I am not turned on by the idea of him having sex with someone else and I am not turned off/jealous/scared by the idea either.  For me, its about sharing my life with people ... its intimacy.  The more people to share my life with (IMO), the richer my life.  It doesn't enter my mind that if Master loves another that he would somehow love me less.  I'm a twin, so I never really had anything important all to myself.  There was never a period in my childhood where I was the baby or the special one or the only one.  I was one of a pair, equally special and loved.  Perhaps that has something to do with it.  My whole life has been about sharing things and people, and it has always worked out for me that the more you love, the more you are loved.   

There's a poster on the other side who ventures here now and then who I always love to read about her household.  I believe its Dame Calla, but please forgive me if I err.  She has all sorts of people in her family:  different genders, different stations (servant/slave, free, and some in-betweens i think), different orientations, etc.  My mind/heart works like that.  I want to incorporate everyone I come to love into Master's home, and even if it doesn't work out, I don't want to let them go!  Unfortunately, Master says his house isnt big enough for my hippie compound. :( 

Respectfully,

amy



Hi amy,
I enjoyed reading your response, it made me smile... i can totally relate to loving to have a lot of people around.  I grew up as a farmgirl with family all around me.   We lived on the same plot of land, so in that way it resembled a compound.  I hate being alone.   Not only am i not an independent person in terms of taking care of myself and living 'on my own' in general (i am 42 and never have... ever)... I am not really independent in terms of everyday living.  I love to have people around.  I love to spend time with people.  I hate even sitting down and watching tv by myself for very long.   I think that is why right now i am so hooked on the forums, because i am rather isolated from people, and this is my way of interacting with others.   

My favorite idea would be for everyone to live together... like on the old tv show 'Dallas' (I'm dating myself there).   That would be ideal!   

~sgs


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RE: slaves thread: support and girlie time - 7/10/2009 12:00:46 PM   
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Greetings kisshou,

time for a serious answer to your question.

As an owned slave, I sleep with anybody that Master tells me to sleep with.
The relationship status of the man is irrelevant to me, if his partner knows or not is irrelevant to me, what consequences there will be to his relationship is irrelevant to me; all that matters is what I'm told to do.
I obey and the consequences are not my responsibility.

Now before I was owned, I generally didn't sleep with people in a relationship, unless their partner knew and approved of or didn't mind it.
This wasn't however because I have a moral objection to 'being the other woman', instead it has to do with respect.

For me, are two things that are total turn offs in men: lack of intelligence and not being able to respect him.
I like dominant men, men in control of their environment, men who take responsibility and I just really don't see those trades to fit in with a man that feels he needs to cheat on his partner.
I have no trouble with a married men sleeping with other women, but I find it really hard to respect a man that doesn't own up to his actions; like for example sleeping with other women.

And if I don't respect a man, I don't lust after him, which means that while single, I would never sleep with him.

Now if I would have met a man that cheated on his partner and at the same time I still would have respected and lusted for him, then I would have had sex with him, and his partner would have been the furthest thing on my mind.
However, because of the way I feel about cheating, I find it very unlikely that such a thing could have happened.

I wish you well,

ishy

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RE: slaves thread: support and girlie time - 7/10/2009 12:06:01 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: sweetgirlserves

Hi amy,
I enjoyed reading your response, it made me smile... i can totally relate to loving to have a lot of people around.  I grew up as a farmgirl with family all around me.   We lived on the same plot of land, so in that way it resembled a compound.  I hate being alone.   Not only am i not an independent person in terms of taking care of myself and living 'on my own' in general (i am 42 and never have... ever)... I am not really independent in terms of everyday living.  I love to have people around.  I love to spend time with people.  I hate even sitting down and watching tv by myself for very long.   I think that is why right now i am so hooked on the forums, because i am rather isolated from people, and this is my way of interacting with others.   

My favorite idea would be for everyone to live together... like on the old tv show 'Dallas' (I'm dating myself there).   That would be ideal!   

~sgs



Hello Free and property,
Hi sweetgirlserves,

Exactly, I want everyone here with me! The sex part is not a primary factor in my "compound mentality."  I could be monogamous forever or various flavors of poly forever.  My Master could be monogomous forever or could be a swinger and make me stay home without.  Well, that one would pretty much suck, but you get the idea.  I enjoy sex, its fun and it is definately important to me that it exist in some form in my romatic relationships.  However, I don't really have thoughts in my head that "this kind of sex (be it rape play or monogamy) is good (for me) and this kind of sex (like watersports or watching my Master fuck someone else) is bad (for me)."  It's all sex to me, and even if i don't get all hot and gooey thinking about a certain form of sexual activity, I am generally not intimidated by it, am generally fine participating in it, and generally end up enjoying myself performing it.  Other than an occassional "ick factor" I'm pretty neutral (or neutral to positive) about sexual activities that do not specifically turn me on (including Master becoming sexually involved with another or having me become sexually involved with another).  I would love a hippie free-love compound, but its not so much the free-love that is most appealing.  Its the large "family" and their extended families that do it for me, much like your Dallas compound and its connected Knot's Landing compound.

Respectfully,

amy


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RE: slaves thread: support and girlie time - 7/10/2009 12:36:44 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: charlotteS

I have been following this conversation and when I read the words above I just had to chime in because I can soooo relate.  I have been collared for almost 2 years now and I still slip into old habits and ideas of how I was taught relationships "should" be.  It is so frustrating because most of those ideas are not how I actually want my relationships to be.  I also have a huge need to be kept in my place and while I might cry some nights that he is with another woman I would simply hate it if I knew he was denying that aspect of himself in order to keep me happy.  I think I cry because I get caught up in feeling that I was supposed to be the one sleeping with him, that I some how had the right.  When I can remember that this was his will I usually get all warm and fuzzy.   It's just frustrating that I still have not completely reached that acceptance.



Greetings charlotte,

sometimes it's really hard to break away from the things we are taught growing up that we are supposed to want or feel.

I was a troubled teen. I frequently ran away from home, sometimes for weeks at a time and I basically partied all the time.
At a way to young age, I started hanging out in clubs and bars till the wee hours of the morning.
I was a slut, and the reason I had such an easy time running and staying away from home was because I never had trouble picking up men that could hook me up for a couple of days with whatever I thought I needed.
I had a blast most of the times, but there also frequently were occasions were I landed myself in situations that were potentially dangerous or very destructive.

I was raped several times; never in a context were I fought kicking and screaming to get out, but in situations were I ended up with a man, or men at some place, with no desire to have sex with them, but ended up giving in anyways because I knew that if I refused I would simple get my ass kicked until I quit refusing and then be fucked anyways. I always knew what the outcome would be, so I always considered it more productive to skip the getting my ass kicked part.
Even though, that at the moment it was happening, I often was totally disgusted by what I had been made to do, I never really made much off it. I knew that I had put myself at risked, that I had provoked them, that stuff like that happens to girls like me.
In a way, I always considered the men to have the right to do things like that to me because of the way I had behaved.

So the next day, I just went on again and partied and forgot all about the previous night.

Until, when I was 16, this social worked that was trying to help my parents to get me back on track found out about what had been going on. She was horrified, and concluded that I must be severely traumatised.
She send me into therapy.

Everything started to go down hill from there.
I slide into a huge depression and started hating myself.
I felt disgusted about what I had done and lost all my self respect.
The therapy didn't work, in fact, the more I talked, the worse I got until I ended up borderline suicidal.

Eventually, a year into the therapy I ran into an old girlfriend that I used to go out and party with. We had a long talk and some things she said finally made a click in my head and put things into perspective...

I wasn't traumatised at all like the social worked had claimed I was.
Apart from running away from home (which happened before the rape and had totally other reasons) I was perfectly fine before she told me that I must be traumatised.
Sure I had been running off and doing things I wasn't supposed to, but I myself never had suffered emotionally under that. I had fun, I had no trouble with my self esteem, I wasn't self destructive UNTIL she found out about it and convinced me that I SHOULD be because of what had happened to me.

My year in therapy getting worse was not because (like my therapist claimed) I was just starting to face the bad feelings I had been suppressing all along. Instead it was because I felt GUILTY to society because I DIDN'T feel traumatised like I should be.
Surely if I wasn't traumatised there was something wrong with me, I was abnormal... and I ended up desperately trying to fix my 'abnormality' by MAKING myself be traumatised...

That conversation with my friend shook me away and put the whole thing in perspective.
I vowed that day to never again feel guilty about being a slut, and never again let anybody talk me into thinking that being used by men should leave me feeling bad.
I walked away from therapy the next week, and in a matter of weeks, I had my life back on track and my old self esteem back.

Society teaches us that humans 'should' feel a certain way about certain things because... that's what everybody else is feeling right?
It's a blessing when we are finally able to let go of that, and instead of feeling what we should feel, finally feel for the first time what we do feel.

I wish you good luck on letting go, I'm sure you'll make it.

ishy

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RE: slaves thread: support and girlie time - 7/10/2009 3:03:43 PM   
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hi ladies

Master and i met up with Master John and donnamarie this morning for a "presidential" breakfast. the sun was warm, the table outside was the setting for an enjoyable meal and conversation. and, by now the woman who overheard someone at our table talking about " sucking cock" should be over the shock. between the laughter and the waving, coffee was readily available... Master John definite has his ways of communicating with the serving staff... huge hands... painful hands.. yummy hands. and donnamarie is absolutely lovely and so easy to be around.

the food was great... the company was the greatest.

we hope to see you both again, donnamarie.. let us know when the next gathering is, please.

well wishes

tazzy

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RE: slaves thread: support and girlie time - 7/10/2009 6:57:23 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: kisshou

Greetings Master Frank,



If he is cheating and the slave knows it, does that make her a party to deceit? Or is that just all on him since he is the only one who made a vow?


well wishes
kisshou


Greetings kisshou,

This is my opinion and only mine. If he is cheating then he is a sack of shit. Get the divorce and then find someone else. Start the proceedings and then go for it. If the slave knows of it and has been doing it, she is alos a sack of shit. She can not hold her head in public and should hang it in shame. None of them have morals, and the worst part about it, HE has NO HONOR in his life in doing this. So if the slave has ANY worth, she would not even be close to him in any way.

Be well.

Frank Ar.


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RE: slaves thread: support and girlie time - 7/10/2009 7:22:24 PM   
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hi tazzy,

Master and I had an amazing time meeting you and Master Dinnardin today!! The conversation was so comfortable and being with you guys for even a short time was a blast, and we felt like we had known you forever! Um, I think we have?? I'm just sorry that we didn't have more time to really relax and chat and do more of that shopping!!!

The presidential breakfast was delicious and I cannot wait until we are able to see you guys again. We will definitely let you know where and when the next gathering is, it will be a definite date!

I may have to ask you to buy more of those cute finger puppets when I run out, or maybe I'll just come back and do some shopping there. Oh my, what a sacrifice!

donna

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RE: slaves thread: support and girlie time - 7/10/2009 7:26:49 PM   
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hey donnamarie

just let me know when you need them. im down there alot, i love shopping on the strip. i may go back and get a skirt too! and, yes, oh the sacrifice! just holla when you wanna go and ill play tour guide... hopefully without the limp.

take care sweet stuff

tazzy

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RE: slaves thread: support and girlie time - 7/11/2009 5:27:45 PM   
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quote:

I vowed that day to never again feel guilty about being a slut, and never again let anybody talk me into thinking that being used by men should leave me feeling bad.


I made the same decision regarding being submissive and submitting unconditionally. I consider myself very lucky to have ended up where I am because really being me is OK and accepted here. Being abjectly submissive, being obedient, all the time, every time, is always the -right- thing to do. If I just be myself I can't go wrong here, if you think about it, how cool is that? The simplicity of it escaped me for so many years. I'm happy for you that you have reached that understanding of yourself at such a young age. It took me a long time and almost 10 years in the collar to really "get" it.

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RE: slaves thread: support and girlie time - 7/12/2009 9:40:52 AM   
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It's interesting, chewsie, that even slaves I run across who were once feminists over time faced that really they were just unhappy. One such girl recently came to stay a bit from Boston, and upon hearing expectations, literally squealed with delight when she fully got that she was not only allowed, but required to be and act as the wanton sexual creature she is at the hands of a man.

You are also quite correct that overcoming cultural conditioning is difficult and will continually pull for quite some time. Discipline is key. Few girls truly get it. Those who do can indeed finally relax and enjoy who and what they are.

Serve well,

Tim

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RE: slaves thread: support and girlie time - 7/13/2009 4:14:09 AM   
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OMG, OMG, OMG
 
I just HAVE to shout this off the rooftops, I'm so happy.
 
I just got the news that FINALLY, after a year of trouble, paperwork, waiting, more paperwork, more waiting and a ton of money, I FINALLY have got my visa approved.
 
I'm going HOME!!!!!!
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Edited to add Angel's correction

< Message edited by ishyB -- 7/13/2009 5:08:13 AM >


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RE: slaves thread: support and girlie time - 7/13/2009 4:32:04 AM   
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Greetings everyone,

Greetings Master Tim....this isn't a reply to you but I clicked off of your post so I wanted to say hello :)

I just found this quote and I'm sure that I'm late to the party as usual, but I just had to share it. It screamed to me and I so loved it. It makes so much sense and I identify so well with it.

"I do not want to be the leader. I refuse to be the leader. I want to live darkly and richly in my femaleness. I want a man lying over me, always over me. His will, his pleasure, his desire, his life, his work, his sexuality the touchstone, the command, my pivot. I don’t mind working, holding my ground intellectually, artistically; but as a woman, oh, God, as a woman I want to be dominated. I don’t mind being told to stand on my own feet, not to cling, be all that I am capable of doing, but I am going to be pursued, fucked, possessed by the will of a male at his time, his bidding." (Anais Nin)

Have a beautiful day everyone.

donna

edited for a strange typo~~~~

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RE: slaves thread: support and girlie time - 7/13/2009 4:33:12 AM   
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Hey ishy you forgot this one       ---->  

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RE: slaves thread: support and girlie time - 7/13/2009 4:57:05 AM   
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Hey there ishysquishy,

Now your REAL work begins....

~chuckles~

Take care,

Elizabeth

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