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RE: slaves thread: support and girlie time - 12/28/2009 6:20:56 PM   
allyC


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl when given a command, regardless of the command, are you concerned with your own "comfort" before acknowledging the command?
 Hiya tazzy! I am often concerned with my comfort.  I don't like to feel insecure, hurt, uncomfortable, etc. but while I may be concerned with it, I generally only voice such concerns if I believe he genuinely wants to hear about them at that moment. Sometimes it is better to obey now and offer concerns later and at others it may be in Master's best interest to mention those concerns first - especially if I believe he is unaware of something important.  Having known him for as long as I have, I can usually gauge what is best for a particular situation. For the most part, however, it is usually just "yes, Master." and that is the end of it. Well wishes, Cav's ally

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RE: slaves thread: support and girlie time - 12/28/2009 6:26:57 PM   
barelynangel


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Status: offline 		Yes i did. grins there were many times in my slavery wherein i seriously believed i was still in control and i decided to claim my equal ground with him by figuring if i AGREED with the order i was on some level choosing it myself. I said i am comfortable, i am cool, even an i agree with that suggestion -- GOOD decision (word to the wise, make sure you are out of the house and off the front porch when you say that one). And yes, i really did say oh hell no, and no fucking way, to him too a couple times. I am also a very dominant personality and my sorjourn into enslavement wasn't simple acceptance and understanding and obedience.

Especially when i was new to the slavery. HE dealt with these times in many different ways. Slavery is so many levels of understanding with women. You go through so much in the loss of your autonomy and self-determination. I would raise my eyebrow to a woman who didn't at some point in her relationship in being mastered where she didn't try and appear even to herself equal in status to him. The problem is most girls try and ACT a part, they aren't in relationships long enough to solidify or go through some of the adjustments so they try and determine what IS being slave like and what is not. When in actuality, slaves do all kinds of crazy things when becoming slaves and their Msters because they know the girls deal with each situation.


I personally believe the best way to learn of slavery is to NOT have any preconceived ideas of what it is because then a woman has no choice but to simply react and allow her Master to enslave her and make determinations of how she exists.

angel

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RE: slaves thread: support and girlie time - 12/28/2009 6:27:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		Master would never give me a command that i could not handle. So i have never thought about my own safety first.

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RE: slaves thread: support and girlie time - 12/28/2009 6:54:03 PM   
ishyB


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Status: offline 		Greetings tazzy,

I know where your question came from, and I can't imagining myself ever saying it in a context like that.

To my owner directly, I cannot imagine ever replying like that when given a command by him, but this is mainly -simple- because my obedience would imply my comfort with obeying the command, while rebellion, hesitation, uncheerful compliancee, or full out disobedience would imply my discomfort with the command.

Of course, if my owner would directly ask me if I felt comfortable with something, I would answer. Likewise, if somebody else asked me how I felt about a command, I'd answer them too.

In such a context, I could envision myself saying: "I feel comfortable addressing kids as Master/Mistress." or "I don't feel comfortable being directed who to vote for, and would rather refrain from voting at all if offered a choice in the matter."

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

can you give me an example of commands you would not obey, ishy?




Other then the obvious "jump off a cliff" or other things that cause harm to myself and others?

I would have disobey a command to be in the USA illegally for instance, if he would have given it to me; even though I would have no problem obeying some other commands to do illegal things in certain contexts.
I would eventually disobey a command to never again masturbate, when offered no other sexual release, just because I KNOW I couldn't control myself to that degree.
I have in the past disobeyed commands to shut up, or to admit to something, or to stand still, or to come back, or other things like that; always when I was emotional, either extremely pissed off or sad. Of course, I have been beaten for my disobedience on all occasions when it has ever occurred, but that still doesn't mean it didn't happen, nor does it mean it will never happen again.

I'm not perfect tazzy, and as such, my obedience isn't perfect. It is a reaction to him, which mean that his and my own emotions play a big part in how obedient he gets me to be at any given time.
So yeah, I can imagine a whole shit load of situations in which I would be less then perfectly obedient. At the same time, I can also imagine the beating most of those situations would earn me.

I wish you well,

ishy

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RE: slaves thread: support and girlie time - 12/28/2009 6:57:20 PM   
kajirastar


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Status: offline 		ok so i maybe wrong but your talking about when i said to Master on that other thread. Yes Master i am totally comfortable with that.  ???? yes???

It was only a thing He and i do, and it doesnt matter really, its just a phrase, like a safe word when playing in the bedroom kinda thing. Because no matter what command He gives me, i will follow, but He does want to know my input on the matter.

Maybe i am wrong, however maybe it wasnt about that.

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RE: slaves thread: support and girlie time - 12/28/2009 7:02:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		hi ishy

with those arms of his, i would imagine you strive hard to please ~grins

and your right, none of us are perfect. Master keeps telling me he doesnt want perfection... lol. he sure got the right girl to fill that bill.

its good to see how other girls view these things.

thank you for answering my questions.

well wishes

tazzy

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RE: slaves thread: support and girlie time - 12/28/2009 7:04:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: allyC

quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl when given a command, regardless of the command, are you concerned with your own "comfort" before acknowledging the command?
 Hiya tazzy! I am often concerned with my comfort.  I don't like to feel insecure, hurt, uncomfortable, etc. but while I may be concerned with it, I generally only voice such concerns if I believe he genuinely wants to hear about them at that moment. Sometimes it is better to obey now and offer concerns later and at others it may be in Master's best interest to mention those concerns first - especially if I believe he is unaware of something important.  Having known him for as long as I have, I can usually gauge what is best for a particular situation. For the most part, however, it is usually just "yes, Master." and that is the end of it. Well wishes, Cav's ally


ally sweets

i cannot imagine you feeling insecure. i learn alot through some of the smallest discussions ~smiles

and, i agree. as the relationship builds and time passes, we can better decide.. as can they... our reactions to certain things and how we read each other.

thank you for your responce

tazzy

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RE: slaves thread: support and girlie time - 12/28/2009 7:23:53 PM   
starshineowned


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There are times yes that I just don't want to be told to do something there by upsetting my comfort zone, and when I think this it is while my feet are already in motion to do what was asked, and very fleeting.

As far as something that causes physical discomfort I don't even think on that, and I suppose that is because I know Master is watching and has a even greater concern for my safety and well being than I myself do.

starshine


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RE: slaves thread: support and girlie time - 12/29/2009 2:24:18 AM   
allyC


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ally sweets

i cannot imagine you feeling insecure. i learn alot through some of the smallest discussions ~smiles~
 Howdy tazzy... Holy spamballs, batman!  Seriously?  I'm definitely insecure in some areas to be sure.  It is also something that can be situational too.  But yup yup, I'm as insecure as the next one about lots of stuff.  I try very hard not to make others suffer for my own insecurities, however, and consistantly work to get past them but hell, I'm a work in progress.  ;) It's rather coincidental that the topic of comfort and letting a Master know sort of came up a few hours ago.  Master was making use of me in several different ways, most of which involved me kneeling on the floor.  By the time I had been kneeling for an hour I was really damned uncomfortable in my legs and knees but I didn't say anything.  I endured it and while it was at times excruciating, I felt good that I had continued to please him.  (I'm grateful I had carpet to kneel on but damn... my knees burn lol) Well wishes!  ;)  Cav's ally

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RE: slaves thread: support and girlie time - 12/29/2009 2:44:58 AM   
zephyroftheNorth


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quote:

Yes i did. grins there were many times in my slavery wherein i seriously believed i was still in control and i decided to claim my equal ground with him by figuring if i AGREED with the order i was on some level choosing it myself. I said i am comfortable, i am cool, even an i agree with that suggestion -- GOOD decision (word to the wise, make sure you are out of the house and off the front porch when you say that one). And yes, i really did say oh hell no, and no fucking way, to him too a couple times. I am also a very dominant personality and my sorjourn into enslavement wasn't simple acceptance and understanding and obedience.


OOOOOO brave woman! *grins* I get this though (the part I bolded). Now, at the beginning of learning slavery, i haven't yet learned to leave the dominant part of my personality behind, not all of it anyway. I'm sure there is still a "hell no" left in me, I'm not foolish enough to believe there isn't.

Thank you for answering my question,

zeph


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RE: slaves thread: support and girlie time - 12/29/2009 6:43:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hey Zeph,
Congrats on this new phase in your life.  I guess you have the answer to your question about why you have been feeling the pull to say "Master" and "Mistress".

Does he know what a handful you are?

best,
sunshine


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RE: slaves thread: support and girlie time - 12/29/2009 6:59:05 PM   
AnnaOfAramis


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Does he know what a handful you are?


...trying to think of a slave that isn't

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RE: slaves thread: support and girlie time - 12/29/2009 7:12:07 PM   
eponavet


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ORIGINAL: ishyB


Other then the obvious "jump off a cliff" or other things that cause harm to myself and others?

I would have disobey a command to be in the USA illegally for instance, if he would have given it to me; even though I would have no problem obeying some other commands to do illegal things in certain contexts.
I would eventually disobey a command to never again masturbate, when offered no other sexual release, just because I KNOW I couldn't control myself to that degree.
I have in the past disobeyed commands to shut up, or to admit to something, or to stand still, or to come back, or other things like that; always when I was emotional, either extremely pissed off or sad. Of course, I have been beaten for my disobedience on all occasions when it has ever occurred, but that still doesn't mean it didn't happen, nor does it mean it will never happen again.

I'm not perfect tazzy, and as such, my obedience isn't perfect. It is a reaction to him, which mean that his and my own emotions play a big part in how obedient he gets me to be at any given time.
So yeah, I can imagine a whole shit load of situations in which I would be less then perfectly obedient. At the same time, I can also imagine the beating most of those situations would earn me.

I wish you well,

ishy



This is the best, most viscerally honest comment i've read in a long time....lol....and one i can TOTALLY relate to!!!

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RE: slaves thread: support and girlie time - 12/29/2009 7:12:57 PM   
starshineowned


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your right, none of us are perfect. Master keeps telling me he doesnt want perfection... lol. he sure got the right girl to fill that bill.


<---definately fits nicely into that category, and will hear the similiar statements like: I don't expect perfection just obedience,  and it's my job to beat on you..not yours..both usually ending with something to the equation of putting him out of work.

well wishes

starshine


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RE: slaves thread: support and girlie time - 12/30/2009 2:38:14 AM   
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ORIGINAL: sunshinemiss

Hey Zeph,
Congrats on this new phase in your life.  I guess you have the answer to your question about why you have been feeling the pull to say "Master" and "Mistress".

Does he know what a handful you are?

best,
sunshine



Hey Sunny

Thank you *beams* Could be, Sunnygirl could be.
sssssssshhhhh Sunny, he'll find out soon enough when I go down there *looks around for Master*

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RE: slaves thread: support and girlie time - 12/30/2009 6:06:09 AM   
starshineowned


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This is just a general inquiry and not meant as a direct to allyC.

I have questions that arise in my mind that I really do not have a way to gain information on without being a nuisance to the Free and starting a zillion threads. They probably have no real importance other than the simple fact they are in my head.

I was wondering if a owned Goreans slave with more access and knowledge of the books would be available and willing with their owners permission to field some of these wayward questions to when they arise?

starshine


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RE: slaves thread: support and girlie time - 12/30/2009 6:31:05 AM   
tazzygirl


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Status: offline 		hi starshine

why not just post a list of those questions here... say 5 or 10 at a time... and we can help you figure them out. im sure many girls have.. or had.. the same questions.

well wishes

tazzy

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RE: slaves thread: support and girlie time - 12/30/2009 3:13:49 PM   
starshineowned


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Status: offline 		Okay then I'll try that and hope someone with more indepth understanding of Norman and the books can assist.

1. Did Norman create a actual standing philosophy like many other well known do in that field which incite continued examination and thinking (the why are we here, what is our purpose, what should we be doing type) or did he just randomly throw out suggestive ideas through the books, and people themselves have chosen to make such suggestive ideas (even maybe unfounded or un-intentional ones on Normans part) a "point" (maybe concept is better description than point..not sure), and over time the collectiveness of persons randomly picking these things were joined and it was actually the semi agreements of those people, groups (which seem to vary) that created the Gorean philosophy themselves?

2.If these bits and pieces of wisdom were throughout the books..did the actual book Goreans know of this philosophy as actual philosophy, and molded themselves to it or were they simply just living, and only served as slight illustrations of what these points would look like when made in to a totality of life when these points were brought together?

starshine


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RE: slaves thread: support and girlie time - 12/30/2009 3:30:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: starshineowned

Okay then I'll try that and hope someone with more indepth understanding of Norman and the books can assist.

1. Did Norman create a actual standing philosophy like many other well known do in that field which incite continued examination and thinking (the why are we here, what is our purpose, what should we be doing type) or did he just randomly throw out suggestive ideas through the books, and people themselves have chosen to make such suggestive ideas (even maybe unfounded or un-intentional ones on Normans part) a "point" (maybe concept is better description than point..not sure), and over time the collectiveness of persons randomly picking these things were joined and it was actually the semi agreements of those people, groups (which seem to vary) that created the Gorean philosophy themselves?


What Dr Lange did, from my point of view, was take a group of disparate philosophies and gather them under an umbrella which he labeled as "Gor".  He saw similarities in these philosophies, many of them going back millenia, and chose to create a fictional world in which to gather those philosophies and show that, even though a casual observer might not think them connected, they were, through a commonality of certain elements...what many would call the natural order. 

quote:


2.If these bits and pieces of wisdom were throughout the books..did the actual book Goreans know of this philosophy as actual philosophy, and molded themselves to it or were they simply just living, and only served as slight illustrations of what these points would look like when made in to a totality of life when these points were brought together?


yes
(this is like asking if a fictional character knows that he/she is going to die)
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starshine



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{edited to add some explanation on the second answer}


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RE: slaves thread: support and girlie time - 12/30/2009 6:58:09 PM   
estah


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Status: offline 		Greetings,

verity wishes everyone a great celebration and best wishes for the new year.

verity wishes you well.


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