puella
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Some here know of me, and that though I have been owned by Goreans, I am not owned now and do not, by any stretch and for many reasons, claim ownership of the title 'Gorean' for myself.
A bit of distance often gives a person a perspective those embroiled in the trenches can not find... a sort of dispassionate place from which to watch and read and gather up information, memes and acceptable practices which seem to be acceptable by a group of 'peers'.
I have often challenged the misconceptions and prejudices of non-Goreans which seem, by my understanding of this lifestyle and the people I have known and served in it, either reactionary or just uninformed.
I must, however, say that I think that the Gorean Lifestyle forum, of late, has been rather it's own worst enemy. Objectively speaking, if I were fresh off the farm and reading and parsing the discussions here for some sort of knowledge, I would have some serious trouble in reckoning what is the position and disposition of the Gorean female in her actions and interactions.
There is a lot of really 'unbecoming' behavior here, which, from what I know of this lifestyle, is a terrible representation of the beliefs Goreans truly espouse. Now... given my own rather ....intense belief system and strong need to question and probe that system, my stating a lack of protocol among the submissive women of this lifestyle might seem a bit absurd. However, I will also state that, I do try to observe the rules and traditions of Gorean protocol when I post here, and where they are not applicable, I do not impose them upon myself... so to see those who claim to be Gorean women, (and their affirmation by the interaction and acknowledgment and reacknowledgment of others within this forum) of what ever subset, blatantly and unapologetically being rude, antagonistic, disrespectful and knowingly displeasing to men, to perhaps at first try to assert their ideas above those of men, and then perhaps as the debacle goes on, to fight for her 'honor'....and to not be called onto the boards for their behavior, summarily,every single time it happens,, in my opinion poses a real problem in any kind of understanding of Gorean ideals and practices.
It has always been my understanding that any man who posts in a Gorean forum, is at least accorded the bare bones of respectful demeanor from Gorean women. Given we are not on Gor, and none of us are born into a society where being a man automatically makes you Gorean, I have though that men in general, when posting and interacting with other men in a Gorean venue, should be afforded at least the most minimal of respect. Whether a woman personally holds a man in high or low regard, should have little to do with how she addresses and interacts with a man in a public Gorean Forum, having either claimed the mantle of Goreanism herself or having it laid upon her by her master... or even just simply by choosing to participate in a forum where the established rules of conduct for women are understood. Has she not submitted to at least that amount of outward protocol?
No man can demand a woman feel something for which he has not planted the seed by his own hands, and nurtured it with his own actions...nor does Gorean philosophy espouse the idea that a woman will, by nature, inwardly respect or love all men simply because they are men. It does,however, or so I thought, require her to show deference and respect to men her communications to men, especially publicly, regardless of her personal opinions and judgments. (And I am not talking about submitting to all men willy-nilly, please do not get me wrong.. there is a vast difference in submitting control over your life and livelihood to all men just because they have dangly bits, and established protocols of behavior in a medium such as an online Gorean Forum where there is no peril involved in her subscribing to her expected and mutually accepted place.)
Have I gotten this terribly wrong somehow?
I have seen many women, free, slave, Gorean and non, post and engage men (and free women) here in respectful, strong and intelligent ways which have never compromised their position nor the established protocols. What makes observation of this forum less than insightful for those who might wish to utilize it as a tool of learning (and perhaps aids some of the misconceptions of this lifestyle), is that when there are obvious and recurring infractions of that protocol, the misbehavior is not always acknowledged (by all men) as an improper disposition, nor is proper future behavior uniformly enforced .
< Message edited by puella -- 3/25/2007 6:56:15 PM >
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