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Hard Limits? - 3/25/2007 8:51:00 PM   
xBullx


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Status: offline 		Greetings Goreans and others,

I'm curious as to how I become a hard limit? I mean, today I was looking at a profile that caught my attention, actually the name caught my attention, then I saw a pretty face and then, well, hell I seen I was a hard limit and it didn't have anything to do with my hard cock.

Ain't that just a shittin hoot. I mean, what is it about Goreans that have the mass populace wanting to limit their contact or interaction with us? What is it that makes these same people come into the Gorean forum and read about us? Is this a Zooilogical condition? Do those that live in the outside of Goringdom world really think we are from another planet. Are they afraid we will drag them off on our ships of acquistion? Perhaps its the hard line we take as it pertains to honor and integrity, surely those are contemptable qualities in a person? Perhaps its the way we hope to hold ourselves and our girls to a higher standard? Sure I have my Archie Bunker, men come first like qualities, but I have never told a single female supremist that I find her a hard limit, in fact I don't even find them worth much discussion in most cases. Is it just a hardon limit, or should I be offended when I'm a hard limit? Perhaps it's a notable accomplishment to be singled out as unliked by someone that claims to hate me. If I'm a hard limit isn't that like being hated?

I guess I should in the end I should just consider the source. I do find it pleasant that I have recently received many emails that speak to the effect that someone had not really gotten to know what Gor was about and thanks to some of our recent discussions here they have taken a look, anew at the Gorean lifestyle and are impressed by what they are learning. I guess all of us should spend more time thinking for ourselves and less time listening to someone elses distorded and often uneducated opinion. Did anyone pay any attention to what I just said? (grinz)

Just thinking out loud,

Bull

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RE: Hard Limits? - 3/25/2007 8:54:36 PM   
hisannabelle


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From: Tallahassee, FL, USA
Status: offline 		greetings master bull,

i have seen both dominant and submissive profiles who list gor as a "hard limit," and denigrate it. personally, i find it silly and just tend to click on. if they have such strong feelings about it that they have to put things in their profile, well, i don't think anything anyone can say or do is likely to fix the problem of their dislike. in my experience, dislike and hatred of gor comes from misunderstanding, and too many people are content living in ignorance.

personally, i think anyone who lists you as a hard limit obviously needs their head checked. :)

respectfully,
annabelle.


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RE: Hard Limits? - 3/25/2007 9:36:12 PM   
viperess


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Status: offline 		Greetings Master Bull,

Perhaps it is they are scared a Master such as You would totally overpower and reign them in and know once You do they would never be able to contemplate serving another and so they run for fear of the fire You would cause to burn them from the inside out. That or they are scared of spilling Your mead.
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RE: Hard Limits? - 3/25/2007 9:38:01 PM   
littleonyx


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From: Austin
Status: offline 		Greetings, Master Bull...

I think I will have to agree with viperess--perhaps they are afraid of such a Master as yourself--perhaps they fear that collar; and yet, crave it all at the same time.  Perhaps, perhaps, perhaps...

Well wishes,

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RE: Hard Limits? - 3/25/2007 9:48:33 PM   
Stephann


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I think of it to be similar as 'Lesbian' in their profile.  It doesn't hurt to write, trying to make friends.  It's pointless to write, expecting the girl to swoon and suddenly desire a man.

People want what they want.  There's a sea of women out there who want fine men.  Don't waste a minute on a girl who doesn't.

Keep the brews cold for me, and que te vaya bien,

Stephan


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RE: Hard Limits? - 3/25/2007 10:41:21 PM   
fairerthanshe


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Status: offline 		Greetings Master Bull,

{fairer engages the flirting outrageously button on the hyperdrive - plonk}

perhaps she hasnt seen a picture of You...mooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

winks and wet wishes,

fairer than she


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RE: Hard Limits? - 3/25/2007 10:54:49 PM   
pagansub77


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Status: offline 		Greetings,
I read your post and had to go take a quick look at my profile. It has been a while and I did not recall what I checked off when filling it out. I did have Gorean listed as "dislike", which seemed accurate at the time. I recently find myself curious though, as a result of some interactions with Gorean people.
Even if it wasn't my profile you looked at, this topic reminded me to take a look and change the profile. I have always thought of myself as open minded, but saying I dislike something I do not understand seems  the exact opposite..

With respect,
amy


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RE: Hard Limits? - 3/25/2007 11:21:20 PM   
cbaby


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Status: offline 		greetings Master Bull,

it's a well known fact that which we don't know is what scares us and maybe they state you as a hard limit because you are Gorean because they aren't willing to step out of their little bubble of comfort and expand their horizons.....i have talked to "you will refer to me as Master because i'm Gorean" as well as ''hi, i'm Bob and i'm very pleased to meet you"..........the first ones i tend to giggle and think *get over yourself* and the latter..........i've sat and had very intelligent conversations with...........pity them that can't get beyond "GOREAN"

best wishes
cbaby

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RE: Hard Limits? - 3/26/2007 1:10:03 AM   
cariad


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From: Calgary, Alberta
Status: offline 		Greetings Master Bull:

i found myself in a situation such as this tonight over on bondage.com in a room i have op's in, when someone came in and was asking for information.

that's all they said, is that they need information and not knowing what they wished to get information about the following happened:

being the good girl i try to be, i asked if this person wanted to know more about know about Gor or something else.

needless to say this individual said, "its a crock of bull I think,"  when i brought up Gor.

to which my reply was to bite my tongue as i did not wish to be found displeasing or disrespectful and was told to speak my mind.

i found myself having to not only defend what i have come to learn, but that which i enjoy and thought to myself that He must be scared of that which He does not know.

perhaps that is why some list Gor as a hard limit or a dislike.

merely because they don't know what to expect or are scared to try something new. (jmo)

i mean no disrespect and hope the Masters find this pleasing.

Blessed Be
cariad

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RE: Hard Limits? - 3/26/2007 1:15:18 AM   
rmanrr


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Status: offline 		There is another side. There are those who masquerade as goreans, who are vicious abusing shitheads. My girl knows of some females who fell victim to such and so do I. As the first experience or the second or what ever number was very very bad with someone who claimed Gor as a belief....they then decided that they would never under any circumstances fall victim to another such "Gorean". I understand that fear and concern, and if Bull could get his hands on these abusers I would certainly like to fall on them to crush the life from their useless bones. No apologies for My ranting.

Be Well, Be Careful

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RE: Hard Limits? - 3/26/2007 2:50:07 AM   
mystiquenz


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Status: offline 		greetings Master Bull,

maybe, people put hard limits like Gor, because they think it is based on a set of books?  That they do not understand there is a separate culture and a code of philosophies.  Because they are ignorant, they slag what they do not know.   

Not that I am claiming to be a Gorean kajira, because clearly i am not.  I am being slowly introduced to the ways of One Master, whose adopted the Gorean philosophy as His own. 

I am sure, that for each Gorean Dominant/Master, there is commonality among His peers, but equally, I am sure there are differences, eg how do You leave the toilet seat in Your home?  Up or down?  lol ... well, I'm sure you will get that point!  

When it comes to sharing knowledge, and seeking out truths, I suppose it comes down to being exposed to P/people who are not shy about sharing their philosophy, and their experiences, thereby creating individual knowledge and a collective knowledge base.  These forums, could be considered a collective knowledge base. 

To me, a hard limit will always be within the BDSM realm, eg no scat, animals, blood, things that are stipulated before a scene is negotiated.  A kink that is not your own, that you find totally distasteful. 

Maybe, just maybe, a gorean slave, or a slave who submits to a Gorean Master, needs to know their interests will be mutually compatible before they engage in any form of interaction. 

Just a girl's two cents worth, before retiring. 

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RE: Hard Limits? - 3/26/2007 3:14:41 AM   
bandit25


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Status: offline 		Bull, I'm rather surprised at this.  I can't believe that anyone would check "gorean" as a hard limit.  Yes, perhaps, she's simply afraid of what she doesn't know.  I wouldn't give it a second thought.

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RE: Hard Limits? - 3/26/2007 4:17:29 AM   
kisshou


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Joined: 2/11/2005
Status: offline 		Greetings,

after I saw a person recently with Gorean lifestyles listed as a hard limited , I started checking out other people lists. I was amazed how many also had it listed as a hard limit. I remember when I first joined CM a Gorean Man or slave could hardly ever post without being flamed to death. I give alot of credit to Master Leonidas whose posts were always so great for single handedly changing the opinion of thousands about Gor.

It is unfortunate though that sometimes people claim something whose actions are in opposition to the philosophy. Thankfully though there are other Gorean free men who point that out. This way people reading posts learn that cheating on your wife is not Gorean. Or putting a cigarette out on your slave because she is a Gorean slave and has no limits it not a normal practice.

I have been participating here at CM for a long time so I can see with the misinformation that gets posted why someone would list it as a hard limit. In some ways that is the bad thing about the Gorean forum because now people just skip the whole forum and do not learn about Gor anymore.

In a passive kind of way I try to change people's minds but only so they can experience the utter joy I have as a Gorean slave.

well wishes
kisshou

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RE: Hard Limits? - 3/26/2007 4:30:26 AM   
Obsidiansnamaste


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Status: offline 		Greetings Sir xBullx,

Perhaps by virtue of having said heard limits they recognize that they are most likely incompatible with a Gorean Male as they still desire to maintain some semblence of control over thier own existance?  So while desiring the title slave, perhaps they do not indeed seek slavery in it's totality, but would enjoy the pleasantries while maintaining some degree of autonomy?

Just 2 shekels

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RE: Hard Limits? - 3/26/2007 4:47:53 AM   
fyreredsub


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Status: offline 		Greetings Master Bull,

well i must say i was surprised at the postthe heading made other thoughts come to mind. yet when it comes right down to it...it is still the same wave length.(sort of).

Hearing hard limits makes me think i can still have control.( or any other woman for that matter). its negatiable, its rules that are meant to be broken or stretched.

i cant survive in a world where woman have control...but it took alot of painful lessons to learn that...

maybe others have Gor for a hard limit because they are not willing to look at themselves honestly for whatever reason

or because what they 'may have heard' ...lack of knowledge....

fear of being held in such tight bonds and not having control

well wishes





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RE: Hard Limits? - 3/26/2007 6:08:09 AM   
OrionTheWolf


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I noticed this rather quickly when I joined CM. That is why I have my profile worded the way I do. I have no patience or concern for those that are ignorant of what a Gorean Man can be, so the need not even contact me unless they wish to learn.


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RE: Hard Limits? - 3/26/2007 6:22:20 AM   
puella


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Status: offline 		Perhaps the woman in question just knows those things which will, or perhaps even have, ultimately and irrevocably break her in some fashion?

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RE: Hard Limits? - 3/26/2007 7:05:04 AM   
jauntyone


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Joined: 2/27/2007
From: Anchorage Alaska
Status: offline 		Greetings Master Bull
 
I can pretty much agree with most of what has already been said. Fear of the unknown, fear of the person itself; sometimes these things keep us from learning of something new  I can admit quite openly that until 4 years ago, if someone had asked me what I thought about Gorean men, I would not have had any idea of what they were talking about. Even now, all I have to base my new opinion on is the way Master is, and my perceptions of others that I have since come into contact with. I can honestly say now that most Gorean men whom I have met, are not much different than many others except in what they choose to call themselves. Perhaps, being a military brat is a good thing after all
 
For those who are too narrow of mind, too ignorant to strive to learn something new, and too intolerant to accept what is in front of them; I will use the same words that Master does. "I feel sympathy for those who will never step past what they see as a wall, for they will never know how deep the green of the grass is on this side". If they can not see the beauty that is in all people, despite what they choose to call themselves; they are limiting their experiences. And that is a true shame.
 
I wish you well on this beautiful day
 
melissa

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RE: Hard Limits? - 3/26/2007 7:24:43 AM   
agirlygirl


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Joined: 3/21/2007
Status: offline 		Greetings Master Bull,

I agree with most of what has been said. It is common to fear what we do not know.  Too, as the online myths have it Gorean men are cruel and uncaring and their slaves are little more than doormats.  It's a shame that people don't first observe and learn first hand that these rumors are not true.

Personally I haven't made a profile here for my name as the last time I had one I found that I received many unwanted and shallow messages. I thought that perhaps as I get to know people on this forum and they get to know me then perhaps messages will be exchanged. 

Well wishes,

girl

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RE: Hard Limits? - 3/26/2007 7:44:22 AM   
mnottertail


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Status: offline 		I thought it was fear of sleen and urt, some of the bushes most misunderstood creatures!!!!!!!!

Crikey!!!!!!!

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