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"Aftercare" Question - 3/29/2007 11:54:39 AM   
StellaByStarlite


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Given the intense emotional nature of Gorean slavery, is it a common ( or at least not unheard of) occurance for a kajira to suddenly feel overwhelmed? Maybe breaking down in tears unexpectedly, or getting shaky? What would be a Master's response to something like that happening?

I'm welcoming all viewpoints here. =)  Is emotional nurturing part of your relationship? Like, for example.. after a punishment for disobedience- a hug or caress of reassurance. Something to calm a slave struck with a bit of jittery nerves.

Thank you for reading or responding. =)

Stella
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RE: "Aftercare" Question - 3/29/2007 12:14:00 PM   
Thadius


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Status: offline 		Afternoon Stella,

As you probably know by now, womenfolks often go through those periods of feeling "overwhelmed".  I think that it would depend on what brought on the feeling.  If it is because of a task I have assigned her or if it is just the hormones running rampant.  I vary the "aftercare" based on what is best for teaching the girl the proper reaction to those feelings.  To help better her understanding of where those feelings are coming from, and how best to deal with them.  Coddling is not something I find to be a good tool to use, it reenforces the behaviour with a positive response.  That doesnt mean that she wont get a hug or just be able to lay her head down in my lap, it just means that her feelings of being overwhelmed are not going to be rewarded.  Her overcoming those feelings, and succeeding at progreesing passed them might be.

I think I covered it, if not, please clarify what you were asking.

I wish you well,
Thadius

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RE: "Aftercare" Question - 3/29/2007 12:15:21 PM   
fyreredsub


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Status: offline 		greetings stella,

when i went through my branding
whipping=lotion
and peircing=ice
Master took very good care of me.......

.as to emotional things...mistress handled those

outbursts ie kajira moment,,master generally got onto me......i'm sure he is still wishing he had me in sirik or whipped a few more times than what he did but due to distance....well........

perhaps things may have turned out differently if that availablity was there.

well wishes

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RE: "Aftercare" Question - 3/29/2007 12:16:32 PM   
nephandi


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Status: offline 		Greetings.

Firtly let me say that i am not Gorean, i have however some experience whit their pracsises. in my experience it wary from master to Master what will be done in such a situation. Most are caring, realy caring for the health and wellbeing of their property, but if they deside to give comfort to a slave, that comfort is a gift, it is not somthing they are required to do.

i wish you well.


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RE: "Aftercare" Question - 3/29/2007 12:39:43 PM   
OrionTheWolf


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Status: offline 		Greetings Stella,

I prefer to just lock em away in the basement until overcome with starvation and dehydration. Of course us Gorean Men are not emotionally nurturing. Now someone mentioned something upon a sleen feasting on a slave recently and I have yet to see some blood.

Sometimes though I apply what needs to be done, when it needs to be done, and this may vary upon the needs.

Orion



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RE: "Aftercare" Question - 3/29/2007 12:40:00 PM   
StellaByStarlite


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Thank you for your responses. =)

Master Thadius, I guess the kind of "sudden emotional wackiness" I was referring to would just be the the irrational female variety, lol. Maybe when they're just hit with a gut-level realization that yes, they are indeed owned property. "Oh my gosh, this is here, this is who I am". More a feeling then a thought, that would cause crying, or dizziness, shaking, etc.

I guess what I'm curious about is if there is a Gorean equivalent of "subspace", or something similar. I know that many Goreans don't enter the BDSM kinky realms at all, but are there emotional breakdowns that occur just from the sheer enormity of it all?


Hi, fyred. =)

Yes, my owner is very prompt with the lotion, too, lol. He uses it like it's... duct tape. Fixes everything, lol

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RE: "Aftercare" Question - 3/29/2007 12:53:50 PM   
fyreredsub


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Status: offline 		greetings again stella,

well when this one first got back form masters last year adter her initial whipping, ie all the good stuff, master waited for her to have 'an emitional falldown' when it came... he was there...........and very adamnant about pulling her out of it because she hit bottom hard.

but for her uhmmmmmmmm monthly bitching she had to learn to get control of that..........time of month was not an excuse to be irrational or emotional.........seh was not allowed to behave in an earth girl tone becuase of hormones ever.

any other emotional thing went to mistress

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RE: "Aftercare" Question - 3/29/2007 12:54:00 PM   
Thadius


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Status: offline 		Hello Stella,

There are points where a girl will go into some emotional oupouring after reaching a new realization.  While having never experienced it from that side of the kneel, I have heard it as a joyous, sad, angry, relieved, all encompassing rush of emotions.  As you strip away the layers of outside influence and get closer to that primal instinct, those outbursts can get more and more intense.  This is not a bad thing, and from my experience is followed by an explosion of growth and understanding.  How it is handled will vary from man to man, and also be dependant on the individual slave (no big surprise there, eh?). 

Overall, I think that emotional releases are a good thing.  It is when we try to suppress those inner feelings, that problems seem to occur.  The proverbial powder keg.

I wish you well,
Thadius

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RE: "Aftercare" Question - 3/29/2007 12:58:34 PM   
mnottertail


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Status: offline 		Aftercare may consist of winding my hand in your hair, and grasping your throat softly but firmly and holding you  close and whispering to you that you ain't gonna fly off the face of the earth girl, you have only caught ahold of fire.

Then like John Belushi in the Blues Brothers did to Carrie Fisher, I am going to drop you and go see what's to munch on in the fridge, or get a beer.

Hup 

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RE: "Aftercare" Question - 3/29/2007 1:00:52 PM   
Bearlee


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.........say it isn't true!!!

 
Oh, Rooooonnnnnnnnn!!!

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RE: "Aftercare" Question - 3/29/2007 1:09:20 PM   
cariad


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Status: offline 		Greetings Master Ron:

*smiles*

there are some girls whom i know that would enjoy that..

Blessed Be
cariad

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RE: "Aftercare" Question - 3/29/2007 1:50:55 PM   
kisshou


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quote:

ORIGINAL: StellaByStarlite
but are there emotional breakdowns that occur just from the sheer enormity of it all?


greetings stella,

for me they have all been joyous and happy. I think that every day, I am so lucky , I am so happy , He is so awesome and amazing. I was just thinking about this today in contemplation of all the threads about struggling with slavery etc. For me it has been a pretty big ride of overwhelming happiness and joy. The freedom found in slavery.

Gorean men are the best of the best, they are wonderful , nurturing in their own way and all the ones I know have worked to increase the value of their property and also to teach and guide slaves in general. If treated politely and respectfully many Gorean men will spend alot of time answering girls questions, giving emotional support and sometimes even resucing girls who in ignorance got themselves into bad situations. I don't know why they do this or what they get out of it, but I do know this is what they do.

well wishes
kisshou :)

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RE: "Aftercare" Question - 3/29/2007 1:56:45 PM   
mnottertail


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Status: offline 		In seriousness (make a note, this is not an often thing) the rollercoaster of chemicals that are made in women because of the situation are far more steady in this type of relation, I think  they get to sheening stage and kinda stay level (increased nonetheless) and possibly even a steep incline,  but the whole environment is magical enough that it doesn't feel like someones kicked your football after.

But just confusing enough, I think.

Hup the Fool 

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RE: "Aftercare" Question - 3/29/2007 2:01:10 PM   
StellaByStarlite


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Thank you all so much for the varying responses. =)

I'm so confused right now, lol. It seems corny to give everybody a play by play detail.. but your honest answers have helped.

I feel like I'm in a tug of war. =)

Thanks for your patience,
Stella

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RE: "Aftercare" Question - 3/29/2007 2:20:24 PM   
rmanrr


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Is not aftercare something required after surgery? hee hee



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RE: "Aftercare" Question - 3/29/2007 2:45:55 PM   
agirlygirl


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Status: offline 		Greetings Stella,

I remember the first time I met a Gorean man offline and was to serve him . He flew in from another part of the country and had hotel reservations near my home so that if things did not work out, he had a place to stay and I could just go home.  We met initially at a restaurant.  I remembered that he took charge from the start ordering what I would eat and would drink. I was just overcome by the thrill of actually being there with him and actually begged to leave with him before the food even got there.  I was an emotional wreck.  The anticipation had been nothing compared to the experience.

At the hotel room (and yes, I had safety calls, etc. all in place. I knew a great deal about this man before having ever met) he sat down and simply told me to strip. Panic set in.  Despite my knowledge that I take the best care of myself and my body that I can, I was suddenly afraid that having made his standards in so many ways that perhaps this was one standard or desire I wouldn't meet.  I remember him watching me stoicly.  I about wanted to die.   And then it happened. 

He smiled!

Every emotion, every fear, every bit of anticipation, every hope and joy and what have you suddenly just burst from me in a torrest of sobs. And he allowed me to kneel and cry.  Quietly then he told me to get him a drink from the little mini bar. *laughs*  And I did.  I snapped myself together quite quickly eager to be useful to him.

While that may not be entirely the situation you're speaking of, it is one example of that rush of emotions.  They do happen. For me, that was several years ago, but I do find each time that a Gorean man touches a new part inside of me, discovers a part of me that I might have been afraid to fully reveal or that I hadn't known existed - wham! - the emotions come.  And yes, as has been said, it has been my experience that different men handle it in different ways.

So far for me luckily, it's all been good!

girl

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RE: "Aftercare" Question - 3/29/2007 3:13:42 PM   
OrionTheWolf


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Status: offline 		Greetings girl,

Are you the doppleganger of my girl? It seems many things are so similar in Gorean Men, and the slaves they find such a treasure in.


Orion

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RE: "Aftercare" Question - 3/29/2007 4:13:36 PM   
mnottertail


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Status: offline 		Was ist eine doppleganger, bitte?

Rumplestiltskin


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RE: "Aftercare" Question - 3/29/2007 4:25:29 PM   
agirlygirl


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Status: offline 		Greetings Master Orion,

: blushes and hopes his post was addressed to her, thinking about getting a real name so she is more easily identifiable :

This one imagines that if she were able to be a doppleganger, Master, that being that of your slave would be a most delicious way to exist! 

girl wishes you well, Master. 

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RE: "Aftercare" Question - 3/29/2007 4:27:12 PM   
puella


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Status: offline 		A doppelganger (literally double walker) is a creature of German literature (or literary device).  It is the double, the other-self, the dark self. (Favorite pondering of Goethe.) It is used to explore the unacceptable darkness within each person without it being wholly accountable to the person.  Often the doppelganger is represented as a sort of ghost or boogie man..but the scariest part of the device is the revelation that this darkness is actually a part of who you are.

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