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RE: Why are you 'NOT' Gorean? - 11/7/2007 6:12:40 AM   
Sakinah


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Status: offline 		Greetings Mistress,

she was just trying to show it is a work of fiction that people live by as Gor books are ,Mistress.
sakinah believes also and was not trying to insult anyone.
thank you for the correction as it seems once again sakinah needs to work on presentation

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RE: Why are you 'NOT' Gorean? - 11/7/2007 6:18:53 AM   
Maahsatti


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There again you did it again...lol....I do not believe the Bible is a work of fiction.
I believe the Bible to be the result of prophecy and guides from God, using his children as vessels in which to get his word and will across to all of his children.
so to me it is not fiction dear.

serve and be well,
Mistress Maahsatti

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RE: Why are you 'NOT' Gorean? - 11/7/2007 6:22:31 AM   
Sakinah


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AT least Mistress is loling while sakinah squrims
for sakinah only knows what she learned as a catholic in mass long ago and has fallen away because of certain goings on in the church
and she  is way off topic with this line of thought.

thank you for your time and correction
sakinah learned long ago she will never please all
no matter what she says and does so she will continue to work at presentation and hope for the best


well wishes

< Message edited by Sakinah -- 11/7/2007 6:28:57 AM >

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RE: Why are you 'NOT' Gorean? - 11/7/2007 6:32:44 AM   
Maahsatti


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I was also raised in the catholic church and fell away from it for the same reason.
All ya need do dear is simply state, (in my opinion) those 3 little words help a great deal when trying not to offend.kk?

serve and be well,
Mistress Maahsatti

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RE: Why are you 'NOT' Gorean? - 11/7/2007 6:34:40 AM   
Sakinah


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she will tape them on her moniter .
Thank You

well wishes
edited for spelling typo


< Message edited by Sakinah -- 11/7/2007 6:35:09 AM >

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RE: Why are you 'NOT' Gorean? - 11/7/2007 9:40:29 AM   
SylvereApLeanan


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ORIGINAL: Cherylmazana

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Somewhere, I have a CDR with books 1-25 in text format.  If you haven't got access to them and would like an e-copy, I'll dig it up and email it to you.  Ar is one of the more conservative city-states, but it is often cited as a model for Gor at large.


That is illegal; there are people who will prosecute you for distributing illegal books. As there are readily available Gor books in print it is also theft from John Norman as well.

I do not know or wish to know a Gorean thief.

Cheryl



First, not all of the books are in print.  Two different publishing houses have purchased the reprint rights at various times and neither has ever completely reprinted the entire series.  While it's possible to get the entire series in hardcopy format from various used book dealers, it can be difficult and time consuming or prohibitively expensive.  I've checked. 
 
Second, sharing the books in e-book format is no worse than buying books from a used book dealer.  It doesn't "rob" the author of royalties.  That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard and I'm a published author.  Do you think Ford gets a cut of every car and truck sold on a used car lot?  Do think the fashion designers see a penny of what you pay for their clothes at the thrift store?  What makes you think books are different?  You won't see anyone filing suit against Amazon.com or any of the thousands of second-hand retailers for selling used books.  Guaranteed.
 
Third, it's not illegal to give away or sell your own property that you purchased.  If you think it is, then you'd better stop buying your friends and family birthday gifts because you're breaking the law.  If someone scanned every page of every book and used a peer-to-peer file sharing server to distribute it indiscriminantly via a central network such as Napster did, then it would be illegal. 
 
Now, if you don't want to give away the stuff you buy or purchase used items, that's your prerogative and I respect your choice.  However, you have absolutely no justification for such a rude and, quite frankly, ignorant post.  

< Message edited by SylvereApLeanan -- 11/7/2007 9:58:02 AM >

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RE: Why are you 'NOT' Gorean? - 11/7/2007 9:46:32 AM   
Maahsatti


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And we have no use for them either woman.

You just violated TOS policy and I intend to report it.

Maahsatti

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RE: Why are you 'NOT' Gorean? - 11/7/2007 9:52:40 AM   
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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

It's impractical for my life.
 


How so?



Greetings, Orion.
 
I believe I've covered the answer to this question elsewhere.  If you still wish further clarification, I'll attempt to provide it.
 
quote:

So you are saying you are a product of the sexual revolution, which is what Lange is pointing out. You admit you are a product of society, which is learned behavior, which is also what Lange is pointing out. It seems you are admitting to points that support what the series is pointing out.



I think you've misunderstood me.  I am saying that I am both a product of society as well as nature.  As are we all.  I don't fight against my nature, as free women in the Gor novels do, in order to supress my femininity and assert my dominance.  I am saying that the extreme dichotomy between societal freedom and freedom to be natural, as presented in the books, is not realistic.  In my case, my dominance is part of my nature so there is no struggle. 

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I believe you are confusing Gorean Custom, with Gorean Morality. Especially since you RPed a Gorean, you have been immersed in the customs, but have you ever seriously explored the combination of philosophies, that drive the story?

Live well,
Orion


As I stated elsewhere, I don't believe it's possible to separate Gorean morality from Gorean custom.  Particularly since Goreans pride themselves on living in a society that bases its customs on its value system, which is, in turn, based on the natural order as they perceive it.
 
If by "seriously exploring the combination of philosophies" you mean "have I lived 24/7 as a Gorean" then the answer is negative.  If you mean to ask if I've read the books, considered them carefully enough to develop an appreciation and respect for them while, ultimately, deciding that living full-time in such a manner is not the right choice for me, then I can safely answer "yes."

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RE: Why are you 'NOT' Gorean? - 11/7/2007 10:01:15 AM   
SylvereApLeanan


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ORIGINAL: Maahsatti

You just violated TOS policy and I intend to report it.

Maahsatti


You're right, and I apologize.  In the future, I'll make more effort to ignore snarky insults.  After all, it's just a message board. 

< Message edited by SylvereApLeanan -- 11/7/2007 10:04:22 AM >

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RE: Why are you 'NOT' Gorean? - 11/7/2007 10:02:13 AM   
Jahnaca


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Your right, it is not illegal to sell or give away a book you have purchased, it is illegal though to copy that work in any format and give that copy away.  It violates copyright, it is a federal crime.

John Norman’s agents are actively pursuing legal action against people who do commit this crime.

Any e book version of Norman’s work is valid only if you have purchased a copy of that work from Norman’s authorized agent(s).  Any other e format of his work has been done illegally.  I will further note that many of these e formats being passed around have many errors in it.

For further information regarding obtaining Norman’s books and copyrights please see

http://gorchronicles.com/modules/smartsection/item.php?itemid=31



Jahna

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RE: Why are you 'NOT' Gorean? - 11/7/2007 10:06:59 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SylvereApLeanan

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ORIGINAL: Maahsatti

You just violated TOS policy and I intend to report it.

Maahsatti


You're right, and I apologize.  In the future, I'll make more effort to ignore snarky insults.  After all, it's just a message board. 


Oi I thought the violation was in the offering to distribute copyrighted works.

If it's just insulting people then I have a whole *stack* of violations to type up

But yeah you can't copy the e-books and hand them out.  If you sold a book to a secondhand shop you would no longer have the book yourself...I suppose if you gave away your e-book in a manner that erased it from your own hard drive that would be comparable...but reproducing it (buying one copy and handing out 5 copies of it) is unauthorized reproduction.

And yeah, I burn CD's for my friends and all...but its still technically illegal


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RE: Why are you 'NOT' Gorean? - 11/7/2007 10:12:52 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SylvereApLeanan
 
Second, sharing the books in e-book format is no worse than buying books from a used book dealer.  It doesn't "rob" the author of royalties.  That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard and I'm a published author.  Do you think Ford gets a cut of every car and truck sold on a used car lot?  Do think the fashion designers see a penny of what you pay for their clothes at the thrift store?  What makes you think books are different?  You won't see anyone filing suit against Amazon.com or any of the thousands of second-hand retailers for selling used books.  Guaranteed.
 
Third, it's not illegal to give away or sell your own property that you purchased.  If you think it is, then you'd better stop buying your friends and family birthday gifts because you're breaking the law.

Distributing e-book copies of copyrighted works without the permission of the copyright holder is not legal, no matter how you try to spin it.

XI


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RE: Why are you 'NOT' Gorean? - 11/7/2007 10:29:46 AM   
SylvereApLeanan


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ORIGINAL: Jahnaca

http://gorchronicles.com/modules/smartsection/item.php?itemid=31



Issues of copyright aside,
 
Thank you thank you thank you for sending me to this site!!!
 
The last time I checked, only the first 8 books were in print.  Now I can get them all in hard copy!  *does the happy dance*
 
You're right, the electronic version I have isn't very good.  Lots of typos.  I much prefer books that I can hold in my hand.  You can be sure I'll be ordering the books I don't have in paperback from here.

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RE: Why are you 'NOT' Gorean? - 11/7/2007 10:44:53 AM   
Zarius


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Status: offline 		The great thing about Gor, BDSM, and any other kink, is the ability to walk away from it. Claim it, or adopt it.
If it isnt your thing, then you can walk away from it.

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RE: Why are you 'NOT' Gorean? - 11/7/2007 11:07:59 AM   
Maahsatti


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Greetings Zarius,

  Do you feel Gor is a kink?...because it's not.

I wish you well,
Maahsatti

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Gorean women, whether slave or Free,know, that their simple presence, brings joy to men,and I cannot think but that this pleases them.
Outlaw of Gor, pg 54

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RE: Why are you 'NOT' Gorean? - 11/7/2007 11:13:21 AM   
Zarius


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ORIGINAL: Maahsatti

Gor, BDSM, and any other kink,


Greetings Zarius,

Do you feel Gor is a kink?...because it's not.

I wish you well,
Maahsatti


Greetings Maahsatti,

You twisted my words. No I dont believe Gor is a kink. I lumped all of the "lifestyles" together in one sentance. The "any other kink" meaning poly, swinging, vampirism, goth etc.

I wish you well
Zarius

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RE: Why are you 'NOT' Gorean? - 11/7/2007 11:15:50 AM   
Maahsatti


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  I did not mean to twist what you said. That was not my intentions, I just misunderstood your post and why I asked, as to clarify what you meant and not assume.

I wish you well,
Maahsatti

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Gorean women, whether slave or Free,know, that their simple presence, brings joy to men,and I cannot think but that this pleases them.
Outlaw of Gor, pg 54

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RE: Why are you 'NOT' Gorean? - 11/7/2007 11:19:03 AM   
Zarius


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Status: offline 		Greetings Maahsati

Gottcha! Thanks for clearing that part up.. Maybe the word "or" instead of and in my "Gor, Bdsm, and any other kink".... would have been clearer.

I wish you well

Zarius

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RE: Why are you 'NOT' Gorean? - 11/7/2007 12:54:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		Firstly, for anyone that doesn't know who I am, amongst other things I'm officially authorised to act as an agent for John Norman in matters relating to Gor copyright.

My thanks to Cheryl, Jahna, xoxi and ModeratorEleven who have spoken out against Gor piracy. What they have said is pretty much right - unless you are an authorised ebook reseller it is illegal to distribute electronic versions of the Gor books, period. It is even illegal to give away or sell on legally purchased ebooks, unlike their printed counterparts. I've taken action against numerous websites, message boards and individuals who have illegally offerred pirated Gor files and will no doubt have to act against yet more as time goes by.

I don't know whether SylvereApLeanan created the CD she referred to herself or whether she purchased it. I can guarantee though that it is illegal, as are all the files on it, from what she has said about them. I have seen such CDs offered for sale and they are all, without exception, illegal, despite any claims to the contrary made by the sellers. As well as being illegal they will almost certainly be full of errors, as has already been said. When I come across these CDs offered for sale I have no hesitation in halting the sale.

SylvereApLeanan, please make no further offers to give away illegal Gor files. If such an offer is repeated anywhere, action may be taken against you. I would recommend that the illegal CD you have be destroyed.

The Gor books are all legally available in both ebook and paperback form and there is simply no justification for Gor piracy. It's illegal, and it has a detrimental effect on legitimate sales. It's worth pointing out that the best way to ensure that the books stay in print, and to encourage the publication of future Gor books (want to know what happens in book 28 when Tarl is taken to one of the Kurii 'Steel Worlds'?), is to support the legal sales of the books.

Simon

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RE: Why are you 'NOT' Gorean? - 11/7/2007 1:00:54 PM   
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...as always......thank you Simon!


Happy Wednesday!!

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