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puella -> Why are you 'NOT' Gorean? (4/5/2007 10:08:31 AM)

Greetings to the free and to the others,

There have been (and rightly so) many topics lately discussing various parts of why you are Gorean, why you beg a collar, etc.

I thought it might be interesting to have a dialogue discussing why one chooses not to call themself Gorean (most especially the ones who post here harmoniously with the Goreans... or harmoniously for the most part [;)]).  There are many here who post her who do not self identify as a Gorean.  I would love to hear their take on why  (and why they post here)and also from the Goreans... why (if at all) you find their contributions to your threads of merit or insight.

Sometimes, looking at something upside down makes you see different things.  I am just hoping this might bring about an interesting discourse among the Goreans and nons who post here.

Thanks you.




Najakcharmer -> RE: Why are you 'NOT' Gorean? (4/5/2007 10:26:18 AM)

I appreciate Goreans because it is their nature to be blunt and honest, to stand up honorably for their beliefs, to tell it like it is and not in the politically correct way, and to applaud social and practical Darwinism, strength, courage and the survival of the fittest.  Much of the philosophy that has nothing to do with sex or gender is quite congruent with my own codes and beliefs, as I am a social Darwinist.

I am not Gorean because Gorean views on sex and gender are based in bad science, specifically a fundamentally flawed, overly simplistic and limited view of human nature, biology and evolution that fails to take more complex events and factors into account.  Because they still represent a reasonable portion of our species'  behavioral bell curve, they will function perfectly well as a working model despite the limitations of the model in describing our species as a whole.  Because it is a simple model, it will invariably work much better than a more complex model for most people as a practical way to live their lives. 

I am not Gorean because I don't, personally, identify with the model or fit inside the model.  I certainly recognize and respect that others do.  The guiding principle in my own life is good science, and my underlying philosophy is always going to default there even if it would be simpler and easier to live my life according to philosophic ideals. 




xBullx -> RE: Why are you 'NOT' Gorean? (4/5/2007 10:27:24 AM)

Greetings little wenchlette,

One of these days I may most likely be of the mind to use you up......

You pretty slut,

Bull




IrishMist -> RE: Why are you 'NOT' Gorean? (4/5/2007 10:29:51 AM)

Hello to one and all

Interesting question Miss Puella

I think that I can honestly say I am NOT Gorean in any way shape or form J But then, neither do I think of myself as a BDSM person either. I am just me. My past has shaped me into the person that I am today. I learned along time ago that if you label yourself so that others can understand you or where you are coming from , then you are boxing yourself in ( I know, this is not the rule for everyone, it is just what I learned in relation to myself )

As to why I post here. That’s a bit complicated, even for myself. I enjoy people period, no matter who or what they are. I used to just read the posts here and not bother to say anything because I truly had no understanding of what was being discussed ( Heck, I still don’t for that part ). A friend of mine suggested that I take a bigger interest; it is her belief that in doing so, I may get past some huge issues that I am having right now. I will say that there have been a few threads that touched on something that I am trying to deal with, so it’s not all bad.

As to being a contributor…lol, well…there are some here who know from my past that I tend to get a bit…ummm…bitchy is a good word for it…when my back is put up. In that respect, I don’t think that I contribute much at all except to just make noise. But heck, I can live with that.

Have a wonderful day




crouchingtigress -> RE: Why are you 'NOT' Gorean? (4/5/2007 10:32:43 AM)

i am not gorean because i dont see my self appreciating living my life in a cookie cutter mold...




xBullx -> RE: Why are you 'NOT' Gorean? (4/5/2007 10:35:23 AM)

Greetings Tigress,

If you truely think we are living in a cookie cutter mold you aren't reading here. We have a very great seperation in various issue from one individual to the next....I don't agree with some on things and do with others. But thanks for your thoughts, it serves to enlighten me in some ways.

Live well,

Bull




michaelOfGeorgia -> RE: Why are you 'NOT' Gorean? (4/5/2007 10:37:10 AM)

quote:

Why are you 'NOT' Gorean?


because women are superior!!!

LOL




drawntothedark -> RE: Why are you 'NOT' Gorean? (4/5/2007 10:39:53 AM)

Wow.

I ghost around this forum, I do not post very much, and actually vowed not to post again here. But this topic changed my mind.

I am not Gorean because I feel it doesn't work with my way of thinking. I do not think Goreans are wrong in thinking the way they do. Infact, I think it's pretty brave of them to stand up for what they believe in to the degree that they do. In BDSM it's sort of "Anyway you want it if that's the way you need it" thinking. I really don't agree wholeheartly with that thinking. However, I hate protocol and "because that's the way it's done" thinking as well. I'm not sure where I belong (luckily I have found a Dom who thinks in the same lines)

I read the books not all but several. I had many questions and started to ghost around here looking for answers. I did find them to some degree.

Mainly I think for me it would be too hard to base my life around a series of books quoting chapters. I also believe that I am ultimatly responsiable for me. Noone else can be. It's this rigid (my take on it and I may be wrong) thinking that keeps me from embracing gore.

In the books slaves are hit to the point of vomiting. It also basically says to me that in the Gorean way of thinking "All" woman are slaves ,or wish to be ,and if they only could find their place among men than all would be well. I don't agree. But that is my way of thinking and not everyone's.

Another thing I used to think until I read a thread here yesterday was that "most" Gorean Masters lacked a sence of humor and reality, and were scary to me. After reading that thread yesterday my mind has changed. That;s steoro types for you. Silly of me to think that way I know.

I would like to say that I have recieved some wonderful advice from a few Goreans and I am better off for it.




FukinTroll -> RE: Why are you 'NOT' Gorean? (4/5/2007 10:42:37 AM)

Reads kinda like another book I know of. Often you can get them free in finer hotel chains around the world.




puella -> RE: Why are you 'NOT' Gorean? (4/5/2007 10:50:25 AM)

Greetings Master Bull,

Though your consideration is more than flattering, I must highly advise you against it.  I do not have the book quote for it at my fingertips, but I do believe that as I am not Gorean, your winkle might fall right off after usage.

....will check with edana on that to be sure[;)]!


(I do hope you are enjoying the choice of words there, Master Bull... Bulls' winkle.... you could start your own forum with that one, I am sure.)




mnottertail -> RE: Why are you 'NOT' Gorean? (4/5/2007 10:50:54 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: michaelOfGeorgia

quote:

Why are you 'NOT' Gorean?


because women are superior!!!

LOL



no, there is space for such as you.
It may not be given gladly;
but it must be given.

Ingvar the Intruder




puella -> RE: Why are you 'NOT' Gorean? (4/5/2007 10:52:39 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: michaelOfGeorgia

quote:

Why are you 'NOT' Gorean?


because women are superior chocolate consumers!!!

LOL



I think some of his post just got cut off for some reason...




xBullx -> RE: Why are you 'NOT' Gorean? (4/5/2007 11:11:45 AM)

Hello little Razorback wench,

Let's try to head off a few things with an answer to your post here.

First, living Goreans do not subscribe to a literal translation of these novels. The men adhere to a sense of the morals and ethics that the characters within the pages live by. It is these principles we value, nit the literal actions of beating sluts and feeding them to urts or other silly notions that a sain and rational person knows is untrue. Now some men may be rougher with their petlings. That is their choice and it is no diferent than the declared heavy sadist that roams other forums. It's a personal reference. Do not do as an earlier post and lay us all into the cookie cutter mold. We have varying views and opinions like, just like any other sub culture of the western world.

Yes Gorean men tend in nearly every case be very direct and no nonsense in their appraoch to issues. Is that a bad thing? Wouldn't you rather know where you stand and what is expected of you around someone? Anyone, man or woman?

Yes you will hear references to quotes. That's to help align points of discussion not to underline fictioanl laws created by some role play chat room Ubar. Living Gorean for the most part are very practical and Nature friendly, we are adaptive and tolerant to certain degrees. Those that shout and raise hell online most often are invisible in reality, they are online warriors athat have no concept of living as Goreans in their day to day lives. Some evolve into Goreans offline, others are living fantasies. The other lifestyle folks have these types as well.

I need you to showing me the vomitting parts in the novels. I qm sure that various degrees of discipline are required with various degrees of slave. That happens in any lifestyle. Some are more rebelious than others. That isn't exclusively a Gorean condition. Most men study their property in depth and then take the best course of action to produce the most valuable and prized slave. So I doubt a man would destroy a girl just because. But hey, remember that sadist do exist everywhere.

Now when judging a Gorean, be sure to now that he is either a living Gorean or an online Role players only, each have their reason to exist and I don't condemn either their choices so long as they don't adversely cross my life. I amm the same way with other lifestyles. To each his own.

Your being responsible for yourself is that you have been afforded that right by a constitution of law. Therefore your life has never had a man within it that has maintained absolute rule over you and in this being the case you have learned by the exampes you have witnessed in your life that you can trust no one with absolute right over your choices. This society affords you that, right or wrong. Wouldn't it be nice to find that man of such strength and noble character that you could let go and be the woman you may very well long to be. In the novels, females were given no choice once enslaved. They had to surrender their will absolute. Not all females were slaves, even nearly all women have it in them to submit to strength, perhaps all men do as well. Strength being the unknown. Who has it. I soldier submits to the commands of those over him. A laborer does the bidding of an employer. A slave in her role sees to the desires of a master. There may be a few around here that declare all women to be slaves. My bet is that person is enslaved to rigid ideals of they spend all their days defending.

Live life as it comes says this Gorean. If you are to be a slave and you look into the eyes over your supposed master, you will have your answers and it won't take a novel to dispell any rumors for you. And who says i have no sense of humor??????????????

Live well,

Bull




drawntothedark -> RE: Why are you 'NOT' Gorean? (4/5/2007 11:16:54 AM)

Actually it was you and a few others who showed me that my "ridgid" way of thinking about Goreans was wrong.




xBullx -> RE: Why are you 'NOT' Gorean? (4/5/2007 11:17:34 AM)

Hiya again puella so swella,

I would surely bestow upon your delicious body a night of bliss unbound and untold. Of course you may come away slightly bruised and surely exhausted, but knowing exactly you had been conquered and had as a woman. And my winkler would be all the better for having sampled your wears. (winks and grinz)

Let it soak in and let your mind reel in the passion,

Bull




xBullx -> RE: Why are you 'NOT' Gorean? (4/5/2007 11:19:48 AM)

hi again dawn,

I'm glad to hear that you have opened yourself to options. I do have space if my coffle if you want to discover yourself further. (winks)

Serve well girlie,

Bull




littleonyx -> RE: Why are you 'NOT' Gorean? (4/5/2007 11:32:23 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: xBullx

Hiya again puella so swella,

I would surely bestow upon your delicious body a night of bliss unbound and untold. Of course you may come away slightly bruised and surely exhausted, but knowing exactly you had been conquered and had as a woman. And my winkler would be all the better for having sampled your wears. (winks and grinz)

Let it soak in and let your mind reel in the passion,

Bull




  .o0(Calm it down, onyx...He wasn't even talking to you.  Calm it down, now...down girl...down, I said.  DOWN!!)
[8|]




Lightsthesky -> RE: Why are you 'NOT' Gorean? (4/5/2007 11:32:35 AM)

I am not Gorean because I have not read the novels and only heard rumors of what the lifestyle was like so I don't like to claim that I am something without better knowledge of the lifestyle.  But I do admire those that are able to follow and enjoy Gorean.




LotusSong -> RE: Why are you 'NOT' Gorean? (4/5/2007 11:40:12 AM)

Puella,
 
Non-Goreans post here for the same reasons Goreans post in the BDSM section using thier greetings and slave-speak.  People just have something to say and in their own way.
 
Lotus




PeggyO -> RE: Why are you 'NOT' Gorean? (4/5/2007 11:42:00 AM)

Hello everyone,

I am not Gorean because Goreans have basic philosophies that collide with mine on very fundamental levels.  I do not believe that dominance or submission are gender based.  Goreans do.  I do not believe that Ds is a caste system or a social hierarchy.  Goreans do. 

My belief is that either men or women can be dominant if that is how they are most comfortable.  I know some women dominants who I consider to be really excellent, I know some male dominants that I think are pretty much useless.  The fact is that not every male out there has the makings of a dominant, just as every female does not have the makings of a slave.  I believe that pidgeon-holing people by gender does a disservice to everyone.

My belief is that my decision to be submissive or slave in  a personal relationship does not make me a member of a social group that is lower than another.  Goreans believe that "free" people are superior to "slaves" and should be treated accordingly.  They believe that a slave can't challenge or contradict a free person, even if the free person is totally wrong or is behaving in a completely inappropriate manner.  I'm sorry, I don't care what the person's chosen (note the word "chosen") status is - if they tell me the sky is a delicate shade of puce when I can plainly see it's blue, I'm not going to sit there and go along with it just because the person has chosen for themselves the role of free person.  My view is their choice of what role suits them puts no responsibility on me whatsoever beyond extending them the same courtesies I would extend to other human being.

Be well,

Peggy




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