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Hints to stop smoking please - 2/6/2006 4:23:05 AM

Rayne58

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Master is trying to quit a 30 to 40-a-day habit. He is on the nicotine patches but is still smoking around 10 a day. I would like some ideas on how to help Him quit - at the moment He is in hospital (long story) but will be home in a few days. Please help us both to keep sane, it is absolutely imperative now that He stops, it will be life threatening if He doesn't

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RE: Hints to stop smoking please - 2/6/2006 5:11:54 AM

MadameDahlia

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http://www.surgeongeneral.gov/tobacco/consquits.htm

http://quitsmoking.about.com/

Also check with a doctor for more tips...

Last but not least... there's always the aversion approach...

I do not touch alcohol because I've watched my father for as long as I've been alive battling his demons and drinking to drown them. He's not a happy person. He's not a terribly kind person while drunk either. As a result I grew up associating alcohol with all of the disgusting things he did and said. When I accidentally picked up his glass of vodka (and not my glass of water) and took a big gulp I spent the next twenty minutes throwing up and then dry heaving into the kitchen sink. I had such a negative view of alcohol that the scent and taste of it makes me feel ill.

Obviously the scent and taste don't make your Dom feel ill... but what if you were to give him some sort of negative image to associate with smoking. In health class in high school my teacher picked up a bucket and put it on a table. He grabbed thick gloves and a pair of tongs. After pulling off the top of the bucket he pulled out a lung from within the formaldehyde. It was black as though burnt in most places. And it had a few thick lumps, which were cancerous growths. He pointed out each of the spots, telling us which parts were cancerous and which parts were just really damaged tissue.

You could try looking for pictures of organs that have deteriorated or been damaged due to prolonged smoking. You could seek out photos of cancerous lungs, hearts, throats and mouths.

However it impacts one a bit harder to see it in person.

I took a few forensic classes a short while ago. My professor works at one of the busiest Coroner's Offices in the nation. They've practically got a revolving door.

I went there with my class and was able to see everything. I didn't feel terribly affected. My mother, on the other hand, said that she felt an internal cold... like nothing she'd ever felt before. She felt sick - and knew that if someone else started to throw up she probably would have too. A number of people left the building in tears. Some felt as though they would be ill.

It's fairly rare, from what I was told by my professor, for people not to be affected by walking among the dead. It's even more rare to have them not affected as autopsies are being carried out no more than ten feet from you - no doors or windows to separate you from the smell or the sounds.

If nothing else works to help him quit... if possible, schedule a field trip with a coroner. Explain to him/her why you want to go. Tell them you would be very appreciative if they would show you someone who was there by way of a smoke related death. The worst they can say is no.

I hope such a drastic approach is not necessary and that you find *just* the right tip that will help him quit.

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RE: Hints to stop smoking please - 2/6/2006 5:39:44 AM

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what if you were to give him some sort of negative image to associate with smoking

I agree that the black lung would be a great visual, but that would be rather hard to bring home & show him

Try this one... place a pack of cigarettes in a clear glass container with water & watch what happens... that brown muck is what he is sucking into his lungs everytime he fires up

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RE: Hints to stop smoking please - 2/7/2006 1:07:26 AM

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When Master and i first came together, I really waneted him to quit smoking. I presented him with nicotine patches on my knees and asked him sincerely to quit. He used them but just like your Master, he was smoking as well as using the patches..but this time it wasnt in front of me, He would sneak one when i wasnt around, which was kinda pointless as he still smelt like an ashtray.

We talked about it and he said to me, he cant quit because of me he has to want to himself. Eventually he gave up on the patches...and i started having a ciggie with him every now and again until I had a full blown addiction again. (ugh) My theory here was, I had quit smoking once and hadnt touched them for 5 years, if I could do it once I could do it again...and perhaps..when I quit again...we could do it together. (dumb hey)

Anyways..my point here is...the only thing that is gonna work to quit smoking, is the desire to do it. No scare tactics are going to work, no tricks, no pleading. He has to have the real desire to quit himself.

oh P.S. How about, putting away the amount of money he would normaly spend on cigarettes into a jar. Money can be a movitation in a lot of cases. With the cost of cigarettes these days, that jar is going to be full in no time and you can both go take a trip or something with it.

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RE: Hints to stop smoking please - 2/7/2006 9:05:36 AM

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Greetings..~smiles~

Take the encouragement of his progress thus far rayne. Going from 30-40 cigs a day down to 10 is a grand accomplishment. Not all can do it cold turkey but many do eventually succeed just as well by the tapering down method. It just takes time, and exactly what others have said thus far. He has to want to.

I have smoked for 30yrs. Since being an adult..I've always smoked in my place of residency. Most of the time I ignored the fact that it smelt of stale ashtray but there have been enough times where I just literally got sick of it, and hated that everything around me stunk. Not to mention the nicotine on the walls issues.

Any who..Master just moved us to another home. The last one we were in..we smoked like chimineys. This time around we both agreed (the lease clause helps alot here) to not smoke inside. It has already dropped our smoking habit of a pack a day or more down to half just by having to go outside, and the fresh smelling house everytime we take a breath just further motivates us to stay with it. I've noticed over the last couple of weeks that the cravings that use to be there and I'd swear I'd kill a person if had to if they tried to ever stop me from smoking mentality is disappearing.

If he's smoked inside, and he's already shown a cut down with patch use..try suggesting he make a strong effort to now start going outside.

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RE: Hints to stop smoking please - 2/7/2006 1:57:18 PM

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Thank you everybody

He is definitely motivated to quit this time - things have changed with His dialysis treatment and it is now vital that He quit the cigs if He wants to survive (and now He has me He does want to).

Hopefully He will be home from hospital today. I have aired out the flat, washed and put away all the ashtrays, bought sugar free sweets and am going to get some lollipops and gum for the times when He needs to have something in His mouth. He is on the strongest patch and will be for another 3 weeks, then we will get a lower strength one. He has had a splitting headache since he's been trying to give up, I think a lot of that could be the stress of being in hospital and dealing with doctors with L plates (residents/interns

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starshine He has said He will be going out on the balcony to smoke (we live in a unit block). I'm a non smoker who really isn't bothered by the smell, but I have noticed since He has been in hospital the place smells not nearly as bad, even though it has been locked up all day. I am not going to buy Him any more cigarettes - if He wants them that badly He'll have to go get them Himself (oh dear not very sublike

It has only been 5 days, I am hopeful that with both of us working on it we can break this habit, thanks to you all again and any more suggestions would be very welcome

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RE: Hints to stop smoking please - 2/8/2006 4:00:12 PM

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For people who smoke a lot the best thing I have seen that truly works is a combination of the patches and a pill called wellburten may be spelled wrong but it really does work and worth a try.

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RE: Hints to stop smoking please - 2/8/2006 10:52:44 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Rayne58

Master is trying to quit a 30 to 40-a-day habit. He is on the nicotine patches but is still smoking around 10 a day. I would like some ideas on how to help Him quit - at the moment He is in hospital (long story) but will be home in a few days. Please help us both to keep sane, it is absolutely imperative now that He stops, it will be life threatening if He doesn't

Ok, my .02cent in here too....

I've watched my mother and father stop smoking. And talked to my doctor about this too. I am a smoker myself. And this was a few added tidbits of advise for me.. for when I'm ready to stop smoking.

1. Nicotine stays in the body for 3 days.. after that it is all habit. (I sometimes think this is bullshit but I researched it and it's true)... So the withdrawls are actually habits. So for starters... I get up in the am, after brushing teeth, face wash and all.. I sit down with a cup of coffee and a smoke.... break that habit. Try coffee and No smoke. Try to get to middle of 2nd cup... if not to 3rd cup. Won't happen everytime.. but it's the goal that helps.

2. As others have stated.... start going out side. I smoke inside myself. And when I'm at my parents... and I want a smoke.. rain.. cold.. heat.. my ass is outside. I also know I'm not out the for a whole smoke either.

3. When you are wanting to light up.... wait another 15 mins or so.

4. Any one who has ever smoked... knows.. and loved that after eating smoke. Get up from table, help clean table, help do dishes, whatever it is to stop you from that after dinner smoke. This falls under #3 too... just simply hold off for about 15 mins or more.

5. The biggest think my doctor told me about stop smoking... is peer pressure. It's really hard to stop smoking.. just as losing weight... when you're being pressured. Talk with the ones trying to get you to stop... let them know that the pressure.. the hounding (so to speak) makes it harder too.

6. Limit the amount of smokes per day you allow yourself to have. Do not keep smokes on you at all time. Leave them in another room. A drawer. All though I am still smoking myself... I'm limited to no more than 10 a day. This has been of my own doing.

7. When you go out to dinner... ask for a non smoking section. This also help you on that after dinner smoke. When I go to dinner out.. I have to wait till everyones ready to leave... and I have my smoke on the way to the car. Oh yeah......... and don't smoke while in the car either.

These were just ideas to help out with. Some need added help.. Like the patches, lolipops, gum.... etc.... my parents quit smoking just by using the upper habit breaking things. I've slowed down my 2 pack a day by doing these things too. I'm just not ready to stop. Not yet. All though I know I should. I'm just not ready. But i did find out..... I went from 2 packs a day to just over a pack... when I stopped smoking while on the PC. I did notice I was burning more than smoking. But I was still going through them.

I wish you luck... and your Master more luck.

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RE: Hints to stop smoking please - 2/9/2006 7:37:54 AM

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Rayne,
When I quit smoking three years ago, I was smoking 4 packs a day. I was killing myself, slowly. I got very sick and had to be admitted. My oxygen level was down to 73 and my blood oxygen level was down in the 40's. I almost died. Yet, I continued to smoke. I even smoked on the way to the E.R. that night.
My doctor walked into my room and said these words: "You will be dead in two years if you continue to smoke" and that is all it took. I called my sister told her to take the 4 cartons of cigarettes out of my house that I had just bought and get rid of them.
They gave me a patch during my stay at the hospital, but I didnt have anything when I returned home and I couldnt afford them. I came home, and I NEVER lit another cigarette. How did I do this? By using this method.

I would visualize my lungs, happy, carefree, smoke-free. Smiling, laughing, not unlike happy children. Then when I would want a cigarette, I would visualize my lungs, crying, running, clinging to each other like frightened children, afraid and screaming. And believe it or not, I would feel so badly for them that the thought of causing them any more anguish would be enough for me to not smoke.

After a couple of weeks, I needed something more, because by that time I was like "Fuck my lungs, give me a smoke!!" so I called my sister in Arizona and I asked her to help me somehow. She has never smoked. She gave me a auditory to go with my visual. Each time I wanted a cigarette, I would call her and she would scream into the phone this high pitch, god awful sound, and according to my mind, this was the sound my poor lungs were making when I thought of smoking.

THIS worked for me. I smoked for 33 years. I smoked camel full flavored, 3 to 4 packs a day. I just STOPPED smoking. There is NO easy way. It is and has been one of my hardest yet my most proudest accomplishments to date. You hear it all the time "If I can quit, anyone can", well it is absolutely true in my case. My life was revolved around smoking. I based my decisions on where to go, what to do, how to do it and so forth by whether I could smoke there or not. I wouldnt take a job where I couldnt light up when I wanted to. I refused to hang out with non smokers. I refused to date non smokers. I was consumed by smoking.

My step-monster told me that she just quit and never thought of them again. To that I say BULLSHIT. There isnt a day that goes by that I dont think about smoking a cigarette at least once a day. But I dont. What keeps me from smoking? It was TOO DAMN HARD to quit. I dont want to go through that shit again. I feel wonderful now, by the way.

What also helped me was being a Domina. If I can command another human being, how is it I couldnt command my own self?

Things that make you go..hmmmm...

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RE: Hints to stop smoking please - 2/9/2006 9:52:04 AM

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My mom spent years trying to get my stepdad to quit smoking. A lot of patches and things were tried, along with a lot of things like what truesub4u listed. He did cut down a lot over time as she kept pushing him on it, but I think the thing that really did it most was a lot of the laws that went up about smoking around the time he finally quit.

There are a lot of states where you can't smoke inside public buildings and/or within certain distances of many of them. Take a vacation in one of those places (i.e. florida, california, some others i think) to help with getting over the habit while going through withdrawal can help.

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RE: Hints to stop smoking please - 2/10/2006 10:32:37 PM

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My aunt had 4 open heart surgures to correct imperfections in her heart as a kid, and she's got phenomia and still smokes and has almost died because she smoked while she was sick. she just got out of the hospital yesterday after a bad incident caused by smoking while she had nemonia* yeah I spelled it wrong I can't spell so what lol the point of the post is still clear*

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RE: Hints to stop smoking please - 2/10/2006 10:42:46 PM

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How funny I refuse to date or hang with smokers.

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I refused to hang out with non smokers. I refused to date non smokers

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RE: Hints to stop smoking please - 2/14/2006 4:40:13 PM

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He only had one cigarette yesterday, smoked in two sessions. The cravings are still there big time, but we are working on them. He's been home from the hospital a week now.

A big step I noticed yesterday was when we went back there for dialysis - He didn't take the cigarettes with Him. He used to stress big time if He didn't have them within arm's reach at all times, and a spare pack in the cupboard at home.

Fingers crossed He manages to beat it this time!

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RE: Hints to stop smoking please - 2/14/2006 4:51:37 PM

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How funny I refuse to date or hang with smokers.

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I refused to hang out with non smokers. I refused to date non smokers

Oh, now you wont find me anywhere near smokers if I can help it. I have one friend who smokes, but she is very considerate of my feelings and health.

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RE: Hints to stop smoking please - 2/15/2006 2:57:12 PM

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Anyways..my point here is...the only thing that is gonna work to quit smoking, is the desire to do it. No scare tactics are going to work, no tricks, no pleading. He has to have the real desire to quit himself.

Right, right, right. I did really want to quit a number of years ago and when I got pneumonia I was in the hospital for 6 days, and, of course, could not smoke. When I got home I took advantage of that, and spent one day at a time "not smoking today". But, I really wanted to quit and I just used the hospital stay as the situation that pushed Me into the final decision. I had already not smoked for 6 days so I was over the physical withdrawal. From then on it was mental, and I did it.
Stupidly, I started again over 4 years later. I am now only smoking on My patio, and am down to 6 or 7 cigarettes a day. Not quite ready to not walk out onto that patio yet, but I hope I am getting there.
He has to want to do it, Rayne. Really, really be ready. Then the other tricks mentioned will help in the process.
Good luck.

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RE: Hints to stop smoking please - 2/15/2006 4:57:51 PM

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I have tried (and failed) to quit smoking severals times. My boy and I are about to try again in 2 weeks.

Once I quit for 4 months and like a doofus....started again.

Some of the things that worked for me and will hopefully work again were:

Get rid of all things smoke related....ashtrays, lighters, matches, boxes that look like cigarettes, etc.

Rearrange your normal "sitting spaces"....your desk, the table by your chair, etc. Put something where your ashtrays used to be. (flowers, candies, magazines, etc)

Take an empty glass jar and fill it up with cigarette butts. Close the lid. When the cravings get REALLY bad, open the lid and have a whiff. Gross!

Wash everything....your carpets, furniture, clothes, etc.

Wish me luck!

Ms Sandi

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RE: Hints to stop smoking please - 2/15/2006 5:32:20 PM

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UtahGoddess (and Rayne58's Dom) I wish you both the very best of luck with tackling this demon. Here's to a longer, healthier, smoke free life.

By the by... Nice idea with the jar, UtahGoddess.

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