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Forced Abortions - 5/24/2007 1:49:31 PM   
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Chinese villagers denounce brutal 'one-child' blitz

Residents of this southern China county on Thursday angrily accused authorities of forcing women to have abortions and vandalising homes in a brutal campaign to enforce birth-control policies.

"Many women have been forced to have abortions. Authorities are going into their homes and destroying their homes to implement the policy," said a woman in Bobai county who gave only her surname, Chen. "The people are angry. This is not the way to carry it out."

Bobai was at the heart of riots that erupted late last week across Guangxi region and saw thousands of people take to the streets in anger against local authorities' efforts to enforce China's so-called "one-child policy".

Chen was one of dozens of people in the county to corroborate reports that government "work teams" had raided homes, carried out mass arrests and levied crippling fines across Guangxi, a sprawling region near the Vietnam border.


Authorities had even forced women pregnant with their first child to undergo abortions merely because they had not completed paperwork required before getting pregnant, said a woman surnamed Xu, a waitress in a Bobai restaurant that was deserted at lunchtime due to fear pervading the district.

"This has been going on for about three months. The one-child policy is wrong. We are totally against it. I know a woman who committed suicide by jumping in the river because she did not want to be caught by the work teams," Xu said.
A feeling of palpable tension has gripped the area, where deserted roads contrast with bright red-and-white banners and billboards bearing government slogans such as: "Support the one-child policy" and "Happiness is to have one child".

"Everyone is afraid to come out," Xu said. The mood was even more intense Thursday at Wang Mao, a nearby village where about 50 angry residents surrounded foreign journalists to loudly accuse work teams of beating residents and imposing exorbitant fines on violators.

"Our children were sitting on the table and they barged in and turned the table over and were screaming and shouting at us," an elderly woman said over the din of angry voices.

One woman, apparently aged in her 20s and holding a one-year-old child, said she was fined 30,000 yuan (3,900 dollars) for having a second child after failing to complete paperwork that would have allowed the birth.

"This is not about population control. It's about money. They just want money," one man standing alongside the woman shouted.

Several villagers said residents of the area fought back, driving off work teams.
"The work teams don't dare come out now," the man said.


First introduced in the late 1970s amid fears of runaway population growth, China's controversial family planning policies limit urban residents to one child while allowing rural families two children if their first child is a girl.

The official Xinhua news agency said on Wednesday that 28 people in Guangxi had been arrested for rioting after seven towns erupted in violence. About 3,000 people had protested, ransacking government offices and destroying official vehicles, according to the official version.

But a man surnamed Wang in Bobai town said the numbers were far higher, backing up other residents' assertions that tens of thousands of people had protested.

"Don't believe the government. Many, many more people than that have been arrested. This is happening everywhere," he said. "The one-child policy is correct. China has too many people. But the way they are carrying it out is wrong. It is not right to smash up people's homes and fine them."

"Everyone here is against the government."

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=070524142748.92j8j1db&show_article=1

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RE: Forced Abortions - 5/24/2007 1:55:18 PM   
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Population control.. on a global scale.. would really make this world a much better place..

I don't doubt the legitimacy of the merit in the basis of China's one-child policy.  Enforcement could be an issue.

It doesn't seem like a kind policy, but what would an alternative be like?

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RE: Forced Abortions - 5/24/2007 2:20:38 PM   
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what would u consider the capacity of global population?

im not going to take any position on the article. but  we are sorta running out of space.  add to that- the much of the world wants the "consumption" lifestyle- per that of the US.  it cant be done.

5% of the globe uses ??% of gloabl resources.

BTW- China has many problems teh west doesnt print about.  they own a huge amount of US bonds- so in effect are financing our disneyland iraq oddysy=

NPR had an alarming peice over Chinas get money NOW and reap consequences wayy later.

incidently- i wish to control my own body- and would resent anyone-entitiy telling me what i can do.

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RE: Forced Abortions - 5/24/2007 2:30:32 PM   
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It can vary.  I mean, if we run low on one resource, we could sacarfice another to convert into it in an attempt to make up the difference.

Such as, should we start running out of Oxygen, and plant life can't produce enough, we could use chemical methods and electrolysis to make up the difference.  If food's short, we could sacarfice much of the industrial sector into making finer farms and land use to it.

The real quesiton, I feel, is the quality of life for the mode individual at a paricular population.

To make a simplified analogy, let's say the world is a 5-bedroom house.  It could support a population of twenty, with four people to a room.  They could use up space and put plants around the house to make up for reduced air quality.  They'd have to share the natural resources- such as the chairs, books, the two computers the house has, etc.  (Yes, we can make more computers, but computers are analogus to a scarce resource- which we can't normally reproduce.)

Instead, people would be happier if there was between five to ten people in the house- everyone either getting their own bedroom or sharing it with a spouse/mate.  There could be enough chairs for everyone to sit down to dinner at the same time, and computer usage would be far more available to most.  There would be more privacy, personal room, and room for one's personal processions.

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RE: Forced Abortions - 5/24/2007 2:50:41 PM   
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I recall- in the 80s the Chicago suburb of Palos Hts; conducted an early census. teh idea was to get more federal and state monies. well- that suburb many 1 or 2 people living in a huge house. anyhow- the results came in- and the numbers showed a LOSS of poulation, hence the town lost monies, in addition to the cost of teh census.  for the record- there are NO apartments in Palos Hts, the feeling is the aparments bring in trash.  the neighboring suburb named worth has 30-40% apartments. so trash has come in. should see how the police work it. cross teh cal-sag canal- and a squad car sits looking for outsiders who are on the worng sie of the tracks. like a fortress. --cook county has HUGE amount of forest preserves. among the most per square mile of any metro.  so now Orland Park is THE place that one wants to live. it is bcoming teh oak brook of the southwest suburbs.

mmy extended family haad all had to leave their origanl neighborhoods- a few left the state. anyhow every square inch of land is vlueable there.

they can keep it. ill stay in PA where there is law and order and some sanity.

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RE: Forced Abortions - 5/24/2007 2:58:27 PM   
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i drifted from my point. [surprise]  there are HUGE number of households that are 1 or 2 people. I just went from 700 sq feet to 2000 sq feet. so in theor 3 people could live here.

some resources can not be substituted tho.

as a culture Americans have a higher % of personal space. ok- in public- you come maybe 36 inches near a person. if a bus is empty you dont sit directly next to a person. a few spaces away.   some cultures that space is closer to 12 inches.

does anyone have thoughts on this??? the personal space thing?

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RE: Forced Abortions - 5/24/2007 3:08:54 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: pahunkboy
does anyone have thoughts on this??? the personal space thing?


...definitely a cultural vaiable....and not just in the big obvious way. i'd wager that towns which have a reputation for being friendly have passengers that sit closer together than towns with an unfriendly rep....even if both towns are in the same country.

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