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Bondage models required - 5/24/2008 11:51:11 PM   
simonross


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Status: offline 		Hiya Folks

Currently working on a new bondage photography project and on the look out for some new models to work with. I am NOT looking for supermodels, just ordinary women and couples who think they might enjoy a day in the studio.

The shoot will take place in a professional studio in Surrey during June and will be along the lines of a Hogtied.com type of photoshoot (ie.. very restrictive bondage). All models involved will receive a copy of any media taken on the day for their own use. If interested, why not drop me a line.

About me - Pro Dom and Photographer, have been involved in the BDSM scene for over 5 years. If you wish to see examples of my work, please ask for the link. References from other models I have worked with are available on request.

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RE: Bondage models required - 5/25/2008 3:19:12 AM   
Lynnxz


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Status: offline 		You are going to do a Hogtied type of shoot... and it's only a TFP? Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong about the time-for-print thing... but... even offshoots like Hardtied give you at the least 1k for a shoot.

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RE: Bondage models required - 5/25/2008 3:44:47 AM   
simonross


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Status: offline 		Lynn

I can only assume you are refering to dollars, not GBP's. With respect, work with paid models all the time here and NONE of them earn 1k for a single shoot even for adult hardcore let alone bondage work.

As I thought I had made very clear in my original post, I am NOT looking for professional models, I am looking for ordinary women and couples to work with on this project, I hope this clarifies my original post

Simon

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You are going to do a Hogtied type of shoot... and it's only a TFP? Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong about the time-for-print thing... but... even offshoots like Hardtied give you at the least 1k for a shoot.


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RE: Bondage models required - 5/25/2008 3:49:55 AM   
Emperor1956


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Status: offline 		even if Lynn is talking US dollars, and not GBP, the conversion factor conveniently is 2/1 -- so are you offering 500 GBP to your models?

There's submission, and then there is exploitation.  I think Lynn was trying to make the point that you appear to be seeking the latter.

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RE: Bondage models required - 5/25/2008 3:57:42 AM   
Lynnxz


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Status: offline 		Seriously exploited. Full nude, hardcore bondage, penetration... I'm assuming, since I think Hogtied does a lot  of that... and you want them to do it for free? And yes, it was US dollars.. but it doesn't really make a difference.

TFP shoots (I thought) were mainly for those trying to build up a portfolio. I've yet to charge for a photoshoot, but then again, I don't let them stick anything anywhere, and if I do get nekkid, it's more of the artistic nude thing, than porn. Besides, I'd think having a camera zoom in on my bits would be a little awkward, but that's me.

Bottom line, porn is not free.



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RE: Bondage models required - 5/25/2008 5:23:24 AM   
simonross


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Status: offline 		I think some clarity is needed here.

The word you seem to be missing is PHOTOSHOOT, the reference to hogtied.com is simply to show the type of bondage involved, no video, no penetration, simply a bondage shoot

If I was looking for pro models for this project, I would simply go on modelsearch or purestorm where any number of models can be hired by the hour or half day, I should know, have worked with many girls from both sites.

As a Pro Dom I charge £150 an hour for my services, as a professional photographer, I charge between £80-£120 an hour for my services, so lets see what I am offering ?

For NIL cost, I am offering the opportunity for individuals and couples to take part in a professional photoshoot, taking place in a professional studio with a professional Dom & phototgrapher, probably a once in a lifetime opportunity for many people in this scene, and the chance to walk away with a set of images they will treasure forever.

As to explotation, do you seriously think anyone would get involved if they didn't want to by choice ? Given the response I have been receiving this morning, there seems to be an awful lot of people on this site who disagree with you.

Simon

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RE: Bondage models required - 5/25/2008 7:30:44 AM   
Nymphetish


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Status: offline 		ILsexyOne69, how articulate you are! Then again, your username includes sexyone and 69...what else is to be expected?

simonross, I don't think your offer is as ludicrous as others are making it out to be. Hope you find the models that you are looking for!

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RE: Bondage models required - 5/25/2008 8:12:10 AM   
simonross


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Status: offline 		Thank you Nymphestish

I must admit to having been quite suprised by some of the negative comments this post has received, almost as if some people have nothing better to do then half read a posting then flame their ignorance over the forum.

Simon x

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ORIGINAL: Nymphetish

ILsexyOne69, how articulate you are! Then again, your username includes sexyone and 69...what else is to be expected?

simonross, I don't think your offer is as ludicrous as others are making it out to be. Hope you find the models that you are looking for!


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RE: Bondage models required - 5/25/2008 8:19:06 AM   
camille65


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Status: offline 		That's why I tend (or try to) make short posts if I start a thread. Less room for error and assumption making. Heya good luck and I hope you find some fun people! I've always wanted to do something like that.

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RE: Bondage models required - 5/25/2008 8:21:12 AM   
MladyHathor


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Status: offline 		Well, first of all, you posted in the wrong place--then you used the word required Vs perhaps a better word requested---this really isn't the place for this--however, what you do offer is a free play session that could wind up on you tube, as I don't see anything that allows for a release to be signed--the other element is the word "models"---society equates that with pay versus--perhaps the word participants--which would denote free--of TFP as indicated--I assume you are getting releases or we will see you in court.
 
You posted on a site that is open to the world, what did you expect? Some good, some badp--as a Dom--suck it up princess--and hope you get some participants.

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RE: Bondage models required - 5/25/2008 8:23:34 AM   
RedMagic1


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quote:

ORIGINAL: simonross
almost as if some people have nothing better to do then half read a posting then flame their ignorance over the forum.

Concern and ignorance are not the same thing.  Lynx is shooting with Infernal Restraints today (public info on her profile), so she's certainly not ignorant.  If you got that level of pushback from someone who knows the business as well as she does, then I am a bit concerned too.  I hope it works out well for everyone involved.


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RE: Bondage models required - 5/25/2008 8:27:08 AM   
Leatherist


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Status: offline 		I've known pros like Lew Rubens who offered fifty bucks a session when he was starting out-for newbies who were seeking exposure. They were purely shibari-and I do not think the op is out of line to do trades for portfolio-it happens all the time.

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RE: Bondage models required - 5/25/2008 8:42:26 AM   
RedMagic1


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Status: offline 		Ok, Leatherist, thank you.

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RE: Bondage models required - 5/25/2008 12:45:08 PM   
BondageBarbieX


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Status: offline 		With respect to SimonRoss, i see nothing odd about wht He is offering.i however do not do free work as i have beeen modeling since i was 15 and doing online modeling very heavily for 3 years.i am alo under contrct with Satanic Sluts so freebies are not happening with me but tere are MANY types of shoots like this and i think they are good for the people involved.Here in Oklahoma we have the Free Your Mind and the Bite Your Apple photoshoots and they are real popular within the community.There can be nudity and sexual scenes in the pics as well as rope,needles and all other types of play in the pics.Everyone volunteers from the make-up to the models and the people participating get photos to keep for their use.

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RE: Bondage models required - 5/25/2008 1:44:06 PM   
christine1


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Status: offline 		i'd love to do something like this someday...not for exposure, but to have some beautiful bondage pics of myself.  i think for the average person that doesnt' model, it's a great opportunity to get some quality photos done.

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RE: Bondage models required - 5/25/2008 1:48:47 PM   
simonross


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Status: offline 		You know Hathor

I completely forgot about obtaining model release forms, in the same way I forgot about obtaining USC 2257 release forms and taking a picture of the models involved with a passport or driving permit as proof of age. Heck, must have been doing something wrong for the last couple of years.

I do this as a matter of course, like I have already stated, I am a pro, and have been on this scene for a number of years, but heck, if it helps

My Dom website www.theunderworld.moonfruit.co.uk
Examples of my work http://www.flickr.com/photos/11258071@N02/ just remove the ****'s from the link
Funny, most of the negative posts on this thread seem to be from people who don't even show their faces on their profile, I'm real, my post is genuine, for all the flamers out there, be brave and actually show your faces, live the life, or you really don't have an opinion

Simon



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ORIGINAL: MladyHathor

Well, first of all, you posted in the wrong place--then you used the word required Vs perhaps a better word requested---this really isn't the place for this--however, what you do offer is a free play session that could wind up on you tube, as I don't see anything that allows for a release to be signed--the other element is the word "models"---society equates that with pay versus--perhaps the word participants--which would denote free--of TFP as indicated--I assume you are getting releases or we will see you in court.
 
You posted on a site that is open to the world, what did you expect? Some good, some badp--as a Dom--suck it up princess--and hope you get some participants.


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RE: Bondage models required - 5/25/2008 2:12:31 PM   
RedMagic1


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ORIGINAL: simonross
I'm real, my post is genuine, for all the flamers out there, be brave and actually show your faces, live the life, or you really don't have an opinion

No reason to be a jackass.  In my case, I have a photo in my profile on another site, and I used to have a photo here on CM.  Nigerian scammers send more email to CM profiles with photos than without, so I took it down as a matter of personal convenience, and I'm not going to put it back up because you macho me into it. 

I've dated a fetish model, and she and I are still friends.  The only three posters on this thread that I know for sure have experience with the festish industry are Lynx, Leatherist and me -- and the two of them know it far better than I do.  I'm willing to go with Leatherist that everything is cool.  My guess is that your comment about Hogtied was unfortunate, as Lynx had been dealing with them for pay, and thought you meant, "Do the same thing but for free."


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RE: Bondage models required - 5/25/2008 2:39:56 PM   
simonross


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Not my intent, and I am sure Lynx is totally genuine, however !!!

This is my work, my life, my joy. I give 100% to what I do, I am out there everyday, to me the Jackasses are the part timers and closet cases who play on the scene and then think they have some kind of informed opinion as to what it is really about.

So here is a suggestion, any Pro's out there want to comment, please feel free, your opinion will be noted, Red, put a profile pic up and some background I will take your comments onboard. I'm not arrogant (well, no more then any other Dom), and I do want to be a helpful person on this site, just feel there have been a few ignorant comments posted on this thread that said more about the orignators then anything useful.

Simon

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ORIGINAL: RedMagic1

quote:

ORIGINAL: simonross
I'm real, my post is genuine, for all the flamers out there, be brave and actually show your faces, live the life, or you really don't have an opinion

No reason to be a jackass.  In my case, I have a photo in my profile on another site, and I used to have a photo here on CM.  Nigerian scammers send more email to CM profiles with photos than without, so I took it down as a matter of personal convenience, and I'm not going to put it back up because you macho me into it. 

I've dated a fetish model, and she and I are still friends.  The only three posters on this thread that I know for sure have experience with the festish industry are Lynx, Leatherist and me -- and the two of them know it far better than I do.  I'm willing to go with Leatherist that everything is cool.  My guess is that your comment about Hogtied was unfortunate, as Lynx had been dealing with them for pay, and thought you meant, "Do the same thing but for free."


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RE: Bondage models required - 5/25/2008 3:00:59 PM   
FullCircle


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Status: offline 		If you had posted this in professional services they wouldn’t have been able to comment.
Good luck with your project it sounds like you’re trying to put an everyday face to this lifestyle rather than the glossy imagery that paints a fantasy world I see all the time on the net.
Good luck with it.

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RE: Bondage models required - 5/25/2008 3:03:39 PM   
FullCircle


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Status: offline 		Damn that sounded bitter

too late now people have seen it.

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