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Shoulder flexibility - 2/26/2012 7:42:57 PM   
liminalRapture


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My master wants to be able to tie my arms behind my back in a leisurely way. Right now, after about 10 minutes, if I hold each elbow in the other one behind my back, one shoulder and elbow gets very, very tired and then starts to hurt. I'm mildly better if I clasp my two hands behind my back palm to palm, then turn my shoulder blades in towards each other (like fish pose in yoga).

When I stretch, if I put my good elbow down and then bring that hand up towards the shoulder blades behind my back, I can grab the fingers with my bad elbow over my head (like I'm doing a tri-cep stretch with my bad hand). This is great, because I can pull them apart, which is a good stretch. But with my bad elbow down and my good elbow up, I can barely touch my fingers behind my back.

I've been trying various stretches and strength-training, but it just seems to make my bad arm more sensitive and I'm not noticing more flexibility.

My master doesn't like the idea of me working it at the end of it's range--he wants me working in the middle to avoid any injury, but I'm getting mighty tempted to push it. He will be visiting in a month and I really, really want to be able to do what he wants.

Does anyone have any suggestions to improve shoulder flexibility? (I think one elbow is weaker as well.) This is frustrating for me. In any given yoga class, I'm usually in the more flexible quarter of the group, and I've never felt like I disappointed someone on flexibility before. (I shouldn't say disappoint--if he is disappointed in anything beyond my control, he would not let me know--but I can tell this is a top priority for improvement.) But I am 40, so I suppose I may not be as flexible as I like to think of myself. For whatever reasons, this clearly needs improvement and I only have a month!

Thank you!

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RE: Shoulder flexibility - 2/26/2012 7:50:00 PM   
velvetpetal


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Status: offline 		Muscles begin to atrophy within aprox 24 hours of injury.

Sadly... they cant be re strengthened all that fast... after the injury gets better. It can take around a year of physical therepy.. with a professionals guidance.. to begin to gain previous muscle strength.

A month... for sure isnt gonna be long enough.. and you run the dangers of re injuring whatever happened to your "bad elbow"

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RE: Shoulder flexibility - 2/26/2012 8:01:44 PM   
liminalRapture


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Status: offline 		I don't think I have a serious injury--just the shoulder and elbow get really tired really quickly.

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RE: Shoulder flexibility - 2/26/2012 8:12:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		Regardless, a month isn't realistically long enough to strengthen and build enough flexibility to do what you're wanting to do. At least not without running the risk of injury. Potentially serious injury.

Its great that you want to give your dom what he wants but if you step back from this moment, its easier to see that ultimately your dom is going to want a healthy, uninjured submissive. That is why he's made it clear he only wants you working in the middle to avoid injury. Trying to force yourself or your body before you're ready isn't going to help you give him what he wants.

Its important that you learn to be patient in dealing with your body's own limitations. In time perhaps you will be able to gain that strength and flexibility but if you force it, you're just going to set yourself back that much further. I suggest you practice some yoga, building strength and flexibility throughout your entire body. The long term results are so worth it. You'll feel amazing and in time, your dom will be able to put you in all kinds of compromising positions ...

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RE: Shoulder flexibility - 2/26/2012 8:16:18 PM   
liminalRapture


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Status: offline 		Well, I'd like to get a little more flexible, even if I can't be tied that way for hours. (He is kind--if I can't do any better, he will be fine with it, as long as I've done my best.) Has anyone found good stretches or exercises?

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RE: Shoulder flexibility - 2/27/2012 12:26:13 AM   
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ORIGINAL: liminalRapture

My master doesn't like the idea of me working it at the end of it's range--he wants me working in the middle to avoid any injury, but I'm getting mighty tempted to push it. He will be visiting in a month and I really, really want to be able to do what he wants.




It seems as if you have decided what your master is going to get, even though he told you want he wants. He told you to avoid working at any extreme range. He wants you to work in the middle to avoid damage. It's your choice. Obey your master or do whatever you damned well please to do against his wishes. It is your choice. It is also you who will face his disappointment when he finds out you are not exercising the way he told you. So what if you damage it so that you actually require a doctor and physical therapy. So what if it will take a lot longer to gain that flexability you want if you do some damage to it now.

But what the heck. A Master's advice is made to be ignored, right? Who in the hell does a master think he is?

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RE: Shoulder flexibility - 2/27/2012 5:38:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, I've been doing it the way he wants and it hasn't changed at all. If I started something new, I'd talk to him about it first.

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RE: Shoulder flexibility - 2/27/2012 6:36:45 AM   
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ORIGINAL: liminalRapture

Well, I've been doing it the way he wants and it hasn't changed at all. If I started something new, I'd talk to him about it first.


That would probably be best. Then you won't seem as if you are ignoring what he told you to do.

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RE: Shoulder flexibility - 2/27/2012 7:19:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		I used to play with a very experienced rope guy and he regularly changed many positions after 15 minutes or so.

Don't push yourself - my knees hurt because I was overweight, and in the process of losing weight, injured them on the leg extension machine, and have been dealing with that for years now.

Just keep practicing moderately, keeping the principles of Non Attachment and Non Harming in the forefront.

http://www.byronyoga.com/ahimsa-cultivating-compassion

Learning to practice ahimsa or non-violence, starts on the mat with yourself and your limitations. Knowing when to slow down, rest and recuperate is the sign of an advanced yoga practice.

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Around one who is solidly established in nonviolence, hostility disappears
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Consider these two scenarios.

Maree is a dedicated yoga student who is suffering a flare-up of a niggling knee injury. Despite this, she refuses to let anything get in the way of her morning yoga class. She continues to work strongly in her practice, pushing through the pain with deep lunging postures, and sitting doggedly, for some time, in padmasana (lotus posture). She hobbles out of class, and finds she has to dose up on strong anti-inflammatories to get through the rest of the day.

Susan, on the other hand, who has strained her shoulder joint, decides to take at least a week off her regular yoga class to give her shoulder time to rest. She practices gently at home, focusing on postures that don’t aggravate her injury, and takes advantage of this ‘rest time’ to work on the more esoteric elements of her practice: pranayama and meditation. When her shoulder is feeling better, she returns to her regular class, but still ensures that she takes it easy and never pushes into any pain in her shoulder girdle.

It doesn’t take a genius to work out which student is practicing the yogic principal of ahimsa or non-violence. Susan exhibits an inspiring level of self-compassion that forms an important component of ahimsa. It takes humility and self awareness to do this, but the rewards are great when we start to truly live our yoga.

...So the next time you step onto your mat, perhaps you might set your intention for your practice to embody this first, key yama, and in so doing, create the grounding for a more compassionate practice. Be open to noticing how, over time, this intentional quality of gentleness might then filter into other areas of your life, leaving your self and others, no choice but to soften and yield under the clear light of ahimsa.

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RE: Shoulder flexibility - 3/21/2012 9:31:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think it is great that you are trying to work on this - and seeking advice when your own efforts have not availed.

I know that physical therapy can be expensive, in the long run, but it can be so helpful! If you can't afford it or just don't want to do it, going once or twice would allow someone to evaluate your needs and suggest both exercises specific for you and other treatment modalities that you can do at home. You can even get home TENS units and ultrasound machines - on Amazon!

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RE: Shoulder flexibility - 3/21/2012 9:55:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		Maybe stretching before the play, and practice? I don't know much, but that is the first thing that comes to mind.

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RE: Shoulder flexibility - 3/21/2012 10:34:01 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: liminalRapture


My master doesn't like the idea of me working it at the end of it's range--he wants me working in the middle to avoid any injury, but I'm getting mighty tempted to push it. He will be visiting in a month and I really, really want to be able to do what he wants.


What he wants is for you to work it in the middle range. Why are you ignoring what he has asked you to do?

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RE: Shoulder flexibility - 3/21/2012 11:26:22 AM   
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RE: Shoulder flexibility - 3/21/2012 12:29:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: liminalRapture
My master doesn't like the idea of me working it at the end of it's range--he wants me working in the middle to avoid any injury, but I'm getting mighty tempted to push it. He will be visiting in a month and I really, really want to be able to do what he wants.

... apparently not. Apparently you want to do what YOU want because I've bolded what HE wants above.

At a bare minimum, I'd assume your "master" would be pissed as hell if you were to tell him, "I blew off your explicit instructions because I wanted to please you." So personally, if you decide to do this then I think you should at least be honest and say it to him in just that way.


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