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OK this is weird.... - 5/12/2007 11:33:44 AM   
mistoferin


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Status: offline 		I listed (and sold!!!) a washer and dryer locally. This morning I received an email inquiring if the items were still for sale and they expressed an interest in purchasing them. They asked for a contact number which I gave. In the meantime a young couple came by and bought them. I never heard back from this e-mailer...until just now. This is the email that he just sent me and I've never seen anything like it. Remember, this is a washer and dryer I was selling locally. What do you make of this???

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  Good Day
Thanks very much for your email, The reason I am sending you this email is to make final reconfirmation of the (Price) and also to let you know that payment will be by Money Order. In view of this I need you to email me any information that may be required to send the Money Order, as I do not want to send the Money Order to a wrong location lest they gets into the wrong hands.

Regarding the shipping, I have a company that takes care of the pick up of my consignments for me and ship to my destination anywhere in the U.S.A, you do not worry about shipping, the company will send down a representative to arrange the sales documentation and the pick up from your end for onward transfer to my destination.

I also want to alert you on the fact that you will be recieving an overdraft Money Order, which will cover the money for the pickup (pickup and shipping to the final destination) as well as the money to be paid to the company that will take care of the pickup and the Items with you. So please, as soon as you receive the Money Order, go and cash them immediately, deduct the money that accrues to you, and send the balance to the Head Office of the company that handles the shipment via the nearest Western Union agent in your area. Deduct the Western Union charges from the balance and send the remaining immediately .
The Money Order will be in your name to make it easier for you to receive payment, deduct your money and send the balance via Western Union as regards my earlier direction, please reconfirm your details one more time. I will give you the details of the Agent that you will send the balance of the money to once I get a reply and agreement that you will send the money via Western Union money transfer immediately you cash the Money Order.

Once the money is received by the agent, the shipping agent will contact you immediately to arrange the documentation as well as the pick up immediately. So in view of the above, here are some of the details I will need for final issuance of the Money Order to you.

(1) Full Name.................
(2) Mailing address, no p.o.box please...................
(3) your direct telephone number ..................
(4) acceptance of my offer .....................

Once you get back to me with all the above, the Money Order will be issued out immediately and it will be sent to you . Hope to hear from you immediately


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RE: OK this is weird.... - 5/12/2007 11:35:19 AM   
NakedGirlScout


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Status: offline 		Honey, it's just a scam. One of those where they send you too much, then ask for the difference back, blah blah blah and rip off your bank account.

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RE: OK this is weird.... - 5/12/2007 11:37:13 AM   
mistoferin


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Status: offline 		well, that was my immediate thought but how would they get my banking info if we are dealing in money orders and western union?

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RE: OK this is weird.... - 5/12/2007 11:37:49 AM   
cjenny


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Status: offline 		Bait & switch. Sometimes it is hard to see it.. which is a reason for its success.

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RE: OK this is weird.... - 5/12/2007 11:38:44 AM   
NakedGirlScout


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Status: offline 		There are a zillion versions of these scams. And they are always coming up with more versions even as we speak. All of them involve at some point telling you some plausible reason for having to give them such information. So long as you resist that, they can't do it.

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RE: OK this is weird.... - 5/12/2007 11:38:51 AM   
lighthearted


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Status: offline 		I have to agree with naked gs, I think it's a scam.  until recently, I didn't know money orders could be forged and you can be held liable for the amount of money it was made out for.

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RE: OK this is weird.... - 5/12/2007 11:41:32 AM   
Kurzon


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Status: offline 		yes - after you agree there will be a problem and they will need to do a wire xfer

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RE: OK this is weird.... - 5/12/2007 11:43:52 AM   
mistoferin


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Status: offline 		ahhhh...well I knew it was a scam...I just couldn't figure out where the ability to profit from it was. Wire transfer or more details later makes sense.

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RE: OK this is weird.... - 5/12/2007 11:55:28 AM   
Evilfx


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Status: offline 		Yes, this is a scam attempt. I see these a lot. Note that it never even remotely mentions what is is that you are selling,. or you directly,. everything is stated in very "general" terms,.. this is a form letter of sorts that is mass mailed out by the hundreds if not thousands, hoping to hit on a few replys from people that dont catch on to its true nature.

At the very least what they would do with the seemingly non pertant information you would provide, is sell it to mailing and telemarketer lists.

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RE: OK this is weird.... - 5/12/2007 12:00:57 PM   
Kurzon


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Status: offline 		the other option is that it is a terror org. trying to use you to get money to a cell

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RE: OK this is weird.... - 5/12/2007 12:01:03 PM   
fadedlace


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Status: offline 		Very common scam, even the local small paper had a story recently on a woman who fell for it.

According to http://www.lets-ride.com/classifiedadvertisements/thescams.htm
If you are selling an item you will almost certainly get e-mail attempting this scam!
Fake Shipping Agent or Money Order Scam
If you are selling an item (especially a motorcycle, automobile, or other high dollar item) you will get e-mail attempting this scam.  The scammer will attempt to purchase your bike with a money order. They will want you to take a money order for an amount larger than the purchase price for the bike.  This scam works well because you are always thinking "how is he going to get the bike without paying for it", but the scammer isn't even after the bike!  He is after your money! This scam is designed to get you to cash a counterfeit money order or cashiers check..
This is a typical scenario of how the scam works:
You have a bike for sale. You are asking $12000.
The scammer e-mails you with an offer to buy the bike.  He may ask for photos of ask about the condition of the bike.  He offer you a $11000. (A little fake haggling to make it sound good)
You reply with the information he requested and agree to sell for $11000.
He says he will purchase the bike. He asks if a money order is ok.
You agree to accept the money order. 
He will give you some excuse for having wanting to send a money order for a larger amount. The most common excuse is that he has a friend who lives in the USA and owes him $15000. And because he can't easily cash the money order in his country he would like you to cash it and send the remainder to him or his "shipping agent" via Western Union. 
This sounds good to you. You are thinking, "get a money order, cash it, and send the remainder. Wow, he must trust you with the a lot of money".  You agree to his offer. 
He wants your phone number and address. He wants to call you to verify the information. 
You provide a phone number and address.
He calls you using a system designed for those who are deaf. You speak only to the operator and she relays the info. (They almost always use this type of service). On the call you can verify the address and terms etc.
The deal is all but done. You wait for a money order. It arrives FedEx overnight.  
You also receive an e-mail reminder to get to the bank and cash it. The e-mail also gives you the address of Western Union locations near you. 
 You deposit $11000 from the money order in your account. You get $4000 to send to the shipper.  You go to Western Union and send the money.  You send $3995 and give Western Union $5.00 in fees. You e-mail the code to the "shipper". 
With everything complete you wait for the shipping agent to come by and pick up the bike.  A week will pass, maybe two weeks. 
Soon you get a letter from your bank. They have charged your account $15000 plus $20 service fee because the money order was returned to them unpaid and marked counterfeit. You check with Western Union. The money was picked up and their is no way to recover it.




The final tally:
The bank   
Western Union
The Scammer
You
+ $20.00
+ $5.00
+ $3995.00
- $4020.00

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RE: OK this is weird.... - 5/12/2007 12:04:31 PM   
wm


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Status: offline 		Craigslist explains this and other scams here:

http://craigslist.org/about/scams.html

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RE: OK this is weird.... - 5/12/2007 4:43:41 PM   
minnetar


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quote:

ORIGINAL: wm

Craigslist explains this and other scams here:

http://craigslist.org/about/scams.html


Thanks for the link.

Erin glad you were smart enough to avoid the scam.

minnetar

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