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Safe knife play. - 5/10/2005 4:56:44 PM   
leatherylace


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Status: offline 		How is knife play safe? is there such thing. I recently had an accident with knife play and ended up going to the hospital. I am sure that everytime someone does knifeplay they do not end up at the ER. WHat is too far with knife play? It is an art form, and where do I learn it?
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RE: Safe knife play. - 5/10/2005 5:06:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		Gods... use a blunt knife, and only trace it lightly..... unless blood is your thing, in which case I can't help, cuz it's not mine...

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RE: Safe knife play. - 5/10/2005 5:12:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		Almost every type of play can be done with minimal risk- if you know what you're doing and are practiced.

Actually, use a sharp blade, it's easier to control. This is NOT something you should try after reading online- same with fireplay and other sorts of things. See demos on it, ask other tops to watch them play and practice on people.

Personally I often get bored with knifeplay because I KNOW nothing will get cut and if I hear another top tease about "oops there goes a nipple!" when I'm blindfolded I won't be able to hold back my giggle.

While I wouldn't call knife play an art form, it certainly can be artistic and a devoted form of play for some people. The purpose of knife play is to tease, not to cut.

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RE: Safe knife play. - 5/10/2005 5:17:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		A sharp blade has more risk of slitting through the skin accidentally though... and slipping deeper than a duller blade would

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RE: Safe knife play. - 5/10/2005 6:35:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		The thing about knife play is the sharper the blade, the better you are. Yes, it's dangerous, but so is suspension, thud play, electrical play and damn near every other thing we do *laughs* I agree with Emerald on this one, get a mentor who knows what they are doing before you even try it. With a sharp blade, you're more apt to be careful than with a duller one. You have to set limits from the get to, to bleed or not to bleed should be the biggest question, that and how about a scratch, a knick? I've done knife play for over 10 years and have had only one incident that required medical attention, and it was both of our faults, mine for not making sure he would hold still and his for jerking backwards, it ended in a trip to the E.R. and 6 stitches.
To me it is an art form, it takes practice to perfect and with as long as I've been doing it I still don't feel I've perfected it yet. It's a sensual thing, most definately a control thing. In my opinion, there has to be some fear there, the what-if factor..what if you do cut? What if you slip? What if they move at the wrong time?
See a seminar, go to a demonstration, find someone who knows about it and learn their craft, just like you would with anything else. And good luck to you, it's a beautiful thing to see a submissive or a slave under the glint of your blade *smiles*

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RE: Safe knife play. - 5/10/2005 6:42:16 PM   
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A sharp blade has more risk of slitting through the skin accidentally though... and slipping deeper than a duller blade would



I've had the opposite experience. When playing with a sharp blade, light is enough to cut. You know that you don't have to exert much pressure.

With a dull blade, much more pressure is necessary to cut. It's easier to end up with cuts deeper than you'd expect because you're exerting more pressure than you thought.

(Just my experience)

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RE: Safe knife play. - 5/10/2005 7:34:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		It's safe in my case...To prevent the ER I just don't move while it's happening. We have done it with a real (quite sharp) knife.
Of course that the person behind the knife must know what the heck his doing, and wich is the safest way to grab the knife too. I think that's a pretty important fact, not only in knife play, but in all the dangerous activities...meaning...most of the BDSM play.

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RE: Safe knife play. - 5/10/2005 10:14:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hmmm yeah, I do enjoy knife play. I do prefer a sharp knife (lots of reasons, one of them being that they're actually less likely to cause infection, due to the smooth surface, while a 'dull' knife is actually going to be pockmarketed with microscopic crevices, etc etc etc) but as mentioned, you need to do it SAFELY with someone who knows what they're doing. That doesn't mean it's impossible to learn on your own, but rather good common sense and an awareness of the risks (and ways to make those risks minimal) are always the best formula to any BDSM interaction.

In short, don't do this at home kids. (People who are afraid, won't. People who do it anyway, at least have been warned.)

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RE: Safe knife play. - 5/11/2005 5:30:36 AM   
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With a dull blade, much more pressure is necessary to cut. It's easier to end up with cuts deeper than you'd expect because you're exerting more pressure than you thought.


I'm not actually into being physically cut or drawing blood... The feel of a knife blade on my skin just adds a powerful mental element to it for me... And I prefer knowing that the knife is dull and not likely to cut me accidentally. Though I can understand, someone is more likely to be careful with a sharp one, I just have too many knife-related scars as it is!!

Minx

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RE: Safe knife play. - 5/11/2005 6:22:38 AM   
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ORIGINAL: leatherylace

How is knife play safe? is there such thing. I recently had an accident with knife play and ended up going to the hospital. I am sure that everytime someone does knifeplay they do not end up at the ER. WHat is too far with knife play? It is an art form, and where do I learn it?


How is knife play safe? Well...it's not. As with most forms of play, there is risk involved. There are, of course, ways to reduce the risk:

-PRACTICE on an inanimate object with a blade that is similiar in sharpness and weight to the blade you intend to use on your partner. I like to use tomatoes, as the skin has some resistance to it and you can see pretty clearly how much pressure it takes to actually break the skin. I prefer sharp blades to dull ones, but I like having the ability to cut if I choose to.

-KEEP A FIRST AID KIT NEARBY that contains all the pressure dressings, field dressings, bandages, etc that you may need to stop any unwanted bleeding. Also know the most direct route to the closest medical facility.

-SANITIZE YOUR BLADES before and after you use them. I like to use Purell hand sanitizer on my blades. It reduces the risk of infection and other nasties, besides, after the scene it's nice to gently rub the Purell into any cuts and scrapes that she may have and watch her jump and wiggle as she experiences that tremendous stinging sensation.

-If you use sharp blades, KEEP THEM SHARP as a duller blade will actually tear the skin, rather than make a clean cut.

-INSPECT YOUR BLADES before and after you play. Sharp or dull, a blade that has nicks, burrs, cracks, or other problems can create a serious wound.

I believe that blade play is an art form. They are very versitile in a scene. Texture, temperature, scrapes, cuts, scratches, shavings, insertion, fear, etc... can all be experienced without shedding a single drop of blood. A lot of people think bloodplay when they think of blades, but that is not always the case.

What is too far? Well, that's for you to decide. I'm not into amputation or cuttings that result in stitches, so I usually keep my cutting near the surface of the skin. (Not exceeding 1/8"-1/16") You decide what you want to experience and find someone who can work within your negotiated limits.

Where to learn? Read some books, find a mentor, (Not an "online" mentor...a real one you can sit with face-to-face.) attend a workshop, watch a blade scene at a play party, etc. There are plenty of places to learn...you just need to get out and find them in your area.

Hope this answered your questions.

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RE: Safe knife play. - 5/11/2005 6:32:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm slightly confused, what most people here seem to be discussing is cutting and blood play. To me this is a totally different play from "knife play."

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RE: Safe knife play. - 5/11/2005 6:36:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		thanks Emerald, I thought they were seperate things too, but wasn't sure after some of the replies on here... Glad to know I'm not the only one who was thinking that.

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RE: Safe knife play. - 5/11/2005 6:53:12 AM   
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How is knife play safe? is there such thing. I recently had an accident with knife play and ended up going to the hospital. I am sure that everytime someone does knifeplay they do not end up at the ER. WHat is too far with knife play? It is an art form, and where do I learn it?


Knife play, but definition, is edge play (punny, but not intended). It, like many other forms of 'play' we do, has a built in risk factor. It's up to you, and your partner, to decide how much risk you are willing to assume.

As someone who's likes and has done knife play, I can assure you it can be done safely, given a competent Top. But accidents, by their very nature, occur when things are done in the safest environments. That's why we don't call them 'deliberates'.

Edgeplay is about how much risk you are willing to assume, and knowing that the edgier the activity is, the higher the risk factor. Accidents can happen in the safest, sanist and most consensual activities.

Lily

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RE: Safe knife play. - 5/11/2005 7:10:44 AM   
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I'm slightly confused, what most people here seem to be discussing is cutting and blood play. To me this is a totally different play from "knife play."


It's rare that I agree with you, but alas, it was bound to happen ~smirk~

There's a big differance between Knife play and blood/invasive play in my book. I don't do consensual blood play, which to me includes cutting, piercing or anything that actually punctures the skin. Knife play, for me, does not intentionally cut.

Have I been cut during knifeplay? Yes. Do I consider the Top I played with unsafe? No. Again, as I stated before, it's about assuming risk. When playing with sharp objects, such as knives, things happen. I got sassy (ok, big surprise right?) and moved wrong and I got cut. It didn't require any medical attention beyond the handy first aid kit, but it happens. And after I was bandaged, we went back at it.

Also, when I do knife play, I expect to be scratched, which is differant than being cut. I expect during the course of the scene (which for me usually involves some kind of mind fuck/interogation in addition to the knife play) that the knife is sharp enough to leave scratches, but not freely bleeding cuts. I would agree with ES2 that a knife scene that left no marks and had no threat of wounding at all would be rather boring for me as well.

But I do agree that knife play and blood play are two differant kinks altogether and when negotiating a scene, if you aren't into blood play, it needs to be addressed in those negotiations. For edge play, I think it's wisest to really know your top.

Lily

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RE: Safe knife play. - 5/11/2005 7:50:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have a huge knife play fetish and have participated in this kind of scene many, many times. A wickedly sharp blade traced all over soft skin followed by fun playtime with the handle *grins* I have never been injured. I would think like anything else that practice makes perfect , maybe try a blown up balloon to practice on.

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RE: Safe knife play. - 5/11/2005 8:31:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		Huh. For me, knife play often includes getting cut, hence the need for a sharp knife. We don't really distiguish between bloodplay and other stuff, because several things we do result in blood.

(ah monogamy :) )

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RE: Safe knife play. - 5/11/2005 8:43:54 AM   
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(ah monogamy :) )

:P bite me

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RE: Safe knife play. - 5/11/2005 8:59:57 AM   
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Huh. For me, knife play often includes getting cut, hence the need for a sharp knife. We don't really distiguish between bloodplay and other stuff, because several things we do result in blood.

(ah monogamy :) )


You know, it doesn't even occur to me the aspect of being blood bonded with respect to invasive play that results in blood or fluid transfer.

Basically, I'm a big baby when it comes to anything I would need a sterile field for. If a sterile field needs to be created, I'm not into it.

L

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RE: Safe knife play. - 5/11/2005 12:40:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: EmeraldSlave2


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ORIGINAL: perverseangelic
(ah monogamy :) )

:P bite me



~sigh~ This one ain't my choice. :(

I ooze envy.

'cept for the blood part.

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RE: Safe knife play. - 5/11/2005 2:19:15 PM   
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I'm slightly confused, what most people here seem to be discussing is cutting and blood play. To me this is a totally different play from "knife play."


I'm not sure if this was intended to be a response to my post, but I agree that there is a difference between knife play and blood play/cuttings. It wasn't my intent to give the impression that they are the same.

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