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A sign of hope for 2008? - 5/15/2007 11:41:48 AM   
Mercnbeth


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Here's a sign of hope if people act upon their disapproval.
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PRINCETON, NJ -- A new Gallup Poll finds continued low levels of public support for both Congress and President George W. Bush. Twenty-nine percent of Americans approve of Congress, down slightly from last month's reading (33%) and this year's high point of 37%, while Bush's approval rating is holding steady at 33%. Both the ratings of Congress and the president are slightly lower than their respective 2007 averages.

According to the May 10-13, 2007, Gallup Poll, 29% of Americans approve and 64% disapprove of the way Congress is handling its job. Congressional approval is down 4 percentage points since last month, and is 3 points lower than the 32% average measured during the first five months of the year.
Source: http://www.galluppoll.com/content/?ci=27589 


A do nothing Congress going for reelection with a lame duck President; both refusing to answer to their constituents. If the 'pork eaters' are willing to miss a meal or two maybe there this an opportunity for completely changing the 'usual suspects' we have representing us.

I would never have imagined it was possible for a Congress and change of party power, elected with such a mandate for change to have failed so magnificently in the eyes of the voters. Collectively are considered worse than the President.

Too bad the they managed to make it impossible to run for office as an individual with the campaign finance laws in place. There is no need to wonder why Senators, Congressmen, and the President clearly represent and support corporate interests above the individual. Only the Corporations, and those mega-wealthy can circumvent the rules to put millions of dollars in their campaign war-chest in both 'hard' and 'soft' contributions.

Why not vote them all out?
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RE: A sign of hope for 2008? - 5/15/2007 11:50:41 AM   
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It seems that the public voted overwhelmingly in the last election to change the course of how the government was acting.  i see very little change as to what had been  happening.

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RE: A sign of hope for 2008? - 5/15/2007 11:58:09 AM   
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Yes, there was an overwhelimng vote in the third of the congress that was up for re-election, but they can't make an overwhheling change ith a 51% majority. BushyBoy can still override the Democrats, and hasn't a care in the world what anyone thinks about him or his admnistration.

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RE: A sign of hope for 2008? - 5/15/2007 12:01:30 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

Here's a sign of hope if people act upon their disapproval.
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PRINCETON, NJ -- A new Gallup Poll finds continued low levels of public support for both Congress and President George W. Bush. Twenty-nine percent of Americans approve of Congress, down slightly from last month's reading (33%) and this year's high point of 37%, while Bush's approval rating is holding steady at 33%. Both the ratings of Congress and the president are slightly lower than their respective 2007 averages.

According to the May 10-13, 2007, Gallup Poll, 29% of Americans approve and 64% disapprove of the way Congress is handling its job. Congressional approval is down 4 percentage points since last month, and is 3 points lower than the 32% average measured during the first five months of the year.
Source: http://www.galluppoll.com/content/?ci=27589 


A do nothing Congress going for reelection with a lame duck President; both refusing to answer to their constituents. If the 'pork eaters' are willing to miss a meal or two maybe there this an opportunity for completely changing the 'usual suspects' we have representing us.

I would never have imagined it was possible for a Congress and change of party power, elected with such a mandate for change to have failed so magnificently in the eyes of the voters. Collectively are considered worse than the President.

Too bad the they managed to make it impossible to run for office as an individual with the campaign finance laws in place. There is no need to wonder why Senators, Congressmen, and the President clearly represent and support corporate interests above the individual. Only the Corporations, and those mega-wealthy can circumvent the rules to put millions of dollars in their campaign war-chest in both 'hard' and 'soft' contributions.

Why not vote them all out?


Both parties are nearly identical. They only different is on a few domestic issues like stem-cell research, abortion, and social economic issues.

The only thing that would change the status quo in the US government is get an independant or a 3rd party candidate elected or take up a significant portion of the popular vote. Both parties have essentially the same lobbyists and corporate donors. So it really doesn't matter if you vote for a Republican or a Democrat. They will show the same policies.

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RE: A sign of hope for 2008? - 5/15/2007 12:12:08 PM   
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I don't know about "change" the Democrats voted for another Bush "Trade" Bill last week.
We need to be getting OUT of those "Trade Bills" not be getting involved in more of them!

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RE: A sign of hope for 2008? - 5/15/2007 12:56:23 PM   
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Yes, there was an overwhelimng vote in the third of the congress that was up for re-election, but they can't make an overwhheling change ith a 51% majority. BushyBoy can still override the Democrats, and hasn't a care in the world what anyone thinks about him or his admnistration.

$0.02

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Sorry to burst your bubble but the Democrats are voting for a lot of Bush's policies. The war is the only sticking point.

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RE: A sign of hope for 2008? - 5/15/2007 1:03:40 PM   
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No, I'm aware of that as well. Just as I'm aware that both Rep and Dem have exactly the same corporate sponsors. It remains true though that even if they were to be voting differently, they could still be overridden.

I like the idea in "Man of the Year", they should have sponsor's patches on their sportcoats, be forced to be wearing their sponsor's logos every time they speak in public.

$0.02,

Dauric.

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RE: A sign of hope for 2008? - 5/15/2007 2:58:07 PM   
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No, I'm aware of that as well. Just as I'm aware that both Rep and Dem have exactly the same corporate sponsors. It remains true though that even if they were to be voting differently, they could still be overridden.

I like the idea in "Man of the Year", they should have sponsor's patches on their sportcoats, be forced to be wearing their sponsor's logos every time they speak in public.

$0.02,

Dauric.


I got a book called "The Blue Pages" at the bookstore that profiles several hundred companies and it shows you how much money they give, how much to each party, and the politics of the boards. There are some pretty big surprises in there.

For example:
Did you know UPS gives more money to the GOP than Wal-Mart?
Dell gives significantly more money to the GOP. And Apple gives significantly more to the Dems. While Microsoft gives to both parties with a slight edge to the GOP. So Bill Gates knows how to play that game.

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RE: A sign of hope for 2008? - 5/15/2007 3:27:00 PM   
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This type of polling is meaningless.  It's been established that people often express antipathy towards "Congress" as an institution, but when they are polled about their particular representative, they believe he/she is doing a good job.  It's the difference between asking "Do you believe most mechanics are crooked" and asking "Is your mechanic crooked?"

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RE: A sign of hope for 2008? - 5/15/2007 3:39:01 PM   
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This type of polling is meaningless.  It's been established that people often express antipathy towards "Congress" as an institution, but when they are polled about their particular representative, they believe he/she is doing a good job.  It's the difference between asking "Do you believe most mechanics are crooked" and asking "Is your mechanic crooked?"



Which is why I have said over and over again that public opinion polls are junk. TRASH!

Especially when it comes to congress. Congress is not voted in with a national ballot. The people elect representatives and senators to make up the Congress. And when you look at the polls that way....people are happy with their representation. The problem is that people are having disagreements with the people they don't get to vote for.

It's also stupid to say the GOP will be run out of congress in the next term. No they wont. Because they are elected based on their districts. And most of them have favorable ratings in their districts.

Just because people are angry with the war doesn't mean they suddenly become left-wing liberals. The only reason the GOP lost in 2006 is because the conservative voters stayed home, and the Democrats ran a large number of centrists in districts with a high number of independants. And this is particularly why the Democrat-controlled congress cannot get any liberal ideas through. It is not only Bush and the GOP, but many of the Democrats that won in 2006 are centrists. They do not support left ideas like gun control. Notice how fast that talk died down after Virginia Tech. That idea went nowhere in Congress.

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RE: A sign of hope for 2008? - 5/15/2007 4:23:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: selfbnd411

This type of polling is meaningless.  It's been established that people often express antipathy towards "Congress" as an institution, but when they are polled about their particular representative, they believe he/she is doing a good job.  It's the difference between asking "Do you believe most mechanics are crooked" and asking "Is your mechanic crooked?"



An astute observation and very true. However, that doesn't change the truth : As a collective body, representing the people - They completely suck ass.

No amount of pork or propaganda will lead me to vote for any incumbents in the upcoming elections. And as far as the mainstream tripe that's running for the highest office in the land - Not a chance in hell I'll fall for that phony ''lesser of two evils'' argument.





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RE: A sign of hope for 2008? - 5/15/2007 4:28:12 PM   
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How CAN the congress do anything if George vetoes anything that doesn't do unquestioningly what HE wants and even refuses to negotiate with congress?  I see him doing this ploy until he's out of office.  SSDD.

As one (George) that doesn't want to make things political, he sure is.  Mr. "I'm right at any cost"

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RE: A sign of hope for 2008? - 5/15/2007 7:11:14 PM   
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I am going paraphrase a quote here - "Is that the lesser or the lessee of two evils?" 

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ORIGINAL: UtopianRanger

Not a chance in hell I'll fall for that phony ''lesser of two evils'' argument.

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