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RE: physical force - 7/19/2005 10:25:51 PM

Tormentius

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The Violence Against Women's Act has drastically changed the "domestic dispute" landscape and if marks are seen on a woman -- or man -- the other party will almost certainly be arrested.

I might be wrong here but usually the other person has to want to press charges for an arrest to occur. Evidently arrests for kink-related markings aren't all that common or a lot more of us would be spending time behind bars

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RE: physical force - 7/20/2005 5:30:43 PM

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I use physical force, actually restraint, to keep the scene going where i want, before iv tried things without and i have to deal with body movements, hands, feet. I usually dont give a sub the chance to fail, so aim to cover her eyes and mouth, before I start the session. A sub always can stop me tho with just a word or a jesture, its always on tap. Of course tears get my attention pretty quick too.

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RE: physical force - 7/20/2005 8:18:03 PM

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I might be wrong here but usually the other person has to want to press charges for an arrest to occur. Evidently arrests for kink-related markings aren't all that common or a lot more of us would be spending time behind bars.

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Strictly speaking Sir..no, You are not quite correct. Under the VAW Act, if the police respond to a domestic disturbance call at Your residence and see marks on You or on Your submissive, the other party is supposed to be arrested and taken to jail for domestic violence..followed by an arraignment (which may not be the same night)...followed by a restraining order issued by the court, irrespective of the couples' wishes. In real life does this happen? i imagine it sometimes does; after all, there is no absolute immunity for law enforcement agencies; they can be sued under certain circumstances. Possibly in some cities, the Chief of Police has decided to err on the side of caution and instructed patrol officers to follow the law to the letter. However, it is more likely that most P/pl live where the law is enforced in a manner resembling the "bad old days" in which a failure by the wounded party to complain meant the police left the parties to carry on.

The first line of defense for a couple involved in activities which leave marks is to stay off law enforcement's radar. Be aware of what Your neighbors can hear. Be aware of where marks appear on the body..no one is required to strip naked for the police. If You own bondage furniture, refuse the police entry into Your home; they have no right to do so without a search warrant. Speak to the police in a calm, rational manner and do not "play" under the influence of drugs or alcohol. And, as i mentioned, keep a criminal attorney and possibly a bail bondsman among the business cards in Your wallet.

Again, i hope this saves Someone a great deal of suffering.

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RE: physical force - 7/20/2005 8:24:33 PM

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How likely is the ADA to prosecute if the "victim" testifies for the defense. Particularly with a jury trial? If it is consensual...where is the intent? I'm sure someone somewhere would attempt to prosecute it, but seems like it would be a tough one to win.

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RE: physical force - 7/21/2005 9:28:59 AM

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However; not to rain on your parade..........

THE CHECKBOOK HAS THE EFFECT OF LAW.

A fine and suspended sentence plea bargain is cheaper than 'FINDING THE TRUTH', 'ESTABLISHING JUSTICE' (really LMAO)

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The law in all its majestic glory forbids the rich as well as the poor from stealing bread, begging in the streets and sleeping under bridges........ Anatole France

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RE: physical force - 8/2/2005 6:31:39 PM

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stormsfate is correct..most assistant district attorneys would refuse to handle a case in which the "victim" was a reluctant witness. However, the s**tstorm that can arise is not necessarialy limited to this. If there are children in the home, the ADA can partner with the DHS and threaten to have them removed if she does not testify. Or a simple call to the DMS can begin it's own s**tstorm..home visits..parenting classes...removal of the children...the powers vested in Human Service Agencies is terrible.

Again, i stress, stay off the law enforcement radar; and if confronted by the police, wait for your lawyer before speaking. i sincerely wish E/everyone well.

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RE: physical force - 8/2/2005 7:03:44 PM

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If you must use physical force do you truly have control?

If one must use physical force then they not only have little or no control of the submissive they have little or no control of themself.

A submissive has the most when it comes to control they can say no or safe word and by they choose not to use it wouldn't that be control?

If your not in a submissives head you will not get there through the use of physical force and it is the mind one needs to control.

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RE: physical force - 8/2/2005 7:33:49 PM

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If you must use physical force do you truly have control?

Well you obviously have physical control. But you do not have authority over a persons daily life.

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If one must use physical force then they not only have little or no control of the submissive they have little or no control of themself.

Not necessarily true, but common enough.

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A submissive has the most when it comes to control they can say no or safe word and by they choose not to use it wouldn't that be control?

The dom can also say no or safe word, so they also have that control.

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If your not in a submissives head you will not get there through the use of physical force and it is the mind one needs to control.

Well I think controlling both is nice really, and honestly, displays of physical force can go a LONG way into getting into a subs head.

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RE: physical force - 8/2/2005 8:59:31 PM

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How does one control someone without using physical force?

By the Power of Command. This is there either because you have legal authority OR because your personality and "Presence" is sufficient to have tha person obey you automatically. Some will refer this "presence" as a dominating aura or something similar. Sometimes I find a look is all that is required.

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RE: physical force - 8/3/2005 11:17:52 PM

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Not my style, I can control soemthing with just words.

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RE: physical force - 8/7/2005 9:07:37 AM

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ORIGINAL: Sir4now

If you must use physical force do you truly have control?

If one must use physical force then they not only have little or no control of the submissive they have little or no control of themself.

A submissive has the most when it comes to control they can say no or safe word and by they choose not to use it wouldn't that be control?

If your not in a submissives head you will not get there through the use of physical force and it is the mind one needs to control.

i absolutely agree. i need very little in the way of actual physical force, except when being punished. one look is enough to put me in my place.

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RE: physical force - 8/7/2005 11:39:42 AM

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Geetings all, I just thought I would toss my 2 cents in>

I am Sariana, slave to Stephen. I can say that my Master and I have a TPE relationship and he controls me. However, he has never had the need to use physical force, usually a change in his voice or his "do it now girl" is enough to tell me, ok sariana wake up and obey. I know that punishment will follow if I do not obey. I also know that when I please my Master the rewards are oh soooo sweet.

So as to physical force, I do not think it is necessary. If a Master or Mistress has control of their slave there is no need. That is not to say that my Master may not take me by my hair and put me in a corner, or hold me down and use me, or restrain me and whip me, but that is a part of our relationship, not the totality, but a part non-the-less.

My Master knows every trigger, every fear, ever weakness I have. I know my Master, the timber of his voice for play, for session, for punishment. I know that when my Master gets very silent, it's time to beg. Beg for forgiveness or mercy. Mental domination, to this slave is 1/3 the battle.
Capture your slaves heart, learn her mind, and play her body. Then you will control her.

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" Bewildered and Weak, Yet With Passion Replete,
I Hungered For Past Overtures,
The Curse of Unrest and His Ardent Caress,
Came Much More Then My Soul Could Endure."

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